Cory Booker: NAZI!!!!!

[B-Man]

 

 

I hate New Jersey Nazis !

 

[K D]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Now this is some post.  Maybe try going outside a little today.  Enjoy nature.  

I did and I saw Nazis everywhere hiding behind fake virtue signaling

[SCBills]

13 hours ago, 4th&long said:

This should go in your shi t posting thread since this is just more shi t like all your posts. 

Its LITERALLY the same thing Elon did. 
 

Obviously neither Elon or Booker are Nazi’s, but it’s honestly hilarious that he did this and we all know it will get next to zero coverage in the media. 

[B-Man]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Its LITERALLY the same thing Elon did. 
 

Obviously neither Elon or Booker are Nazi’s, but it’s honestly hilarious that he did this and we all know it will get next to zero coverage in the media. 

 

 

I heard it from good authority that his fingers were slightly different.  

 

Thereby proving that they are missing the whole point of why we were calling Booker out.

 

Hilarious.

 

 

 

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[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

I heard it from good authority that his fingers were slightly different.  

 

Thereby proving that they are missing the whole point of why we were calling Booker out.

 

Hilarious.

 

 

 

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It would be an interesting case study had we all not lived through their “Biden is awesome and you’re a conspiracy nut if you believe otherwise!” era.   Now, it’s just sad.  

[BillsFanNC]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[ComradeKayAdams]

23 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Hitler was very much a socialist, he took control of car making and other industries, and made many other industries either support him or put them out of business. Britannica seems to think banning unions was not socialist, he simply gave everyone the same rights across the board, they also argue that socialist don't imprison their political opponents, which is stupid on its surface and hilarious if you look at any version of history. Hitler was a violent socialist, which is not the norm, but he was every but a socialist

 

You’re conflating “socialism” with “dirigisme.” The simple question regarding socialism is whether or not “the workers own the means of production.” You appear to be acknowledging that wealthy capitalists dominated the economic landscape of Nazi Germany, and that any collective bargaining was severely restricted under Nazi rule. So there’s your answer…

 

Imprisoning one’s political opponents isn’t any defining feature of socialism. All types of governments throughout history have done this or not done this. It IS, however, a definitional component of far-right fascism.

 

Reddogblitz is 100% correct. The “socialist” in “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” was rhetorical propaganda meant to appeal to the German proletariat in the earliest years of Nazism. Hitler and the Nazis then waged an all-out war with any and all left-leaning German political opponents.

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 minute ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

You’re conflating “socialism” with “dirigisme.” The simple question regarding socialism is whether or not “the workers own the means of production.” You appear to be acknowledging that wealthy capitalists dominated the economic landscape of Nazi Germany, and that any collective bargaining was severely restricted under Nazi rule. So there’s your answer…

 

Imprisoning one’s political opponents isn’t any defining feature of socialism. All types of governments throughout history have done this or not done this. It IS, however, a definitional component of far-right fascism.

 

Reddogblitz is 100% correct. The “socialist” in “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” was rhetorical propaganda meant to appeal to the German proletariat in the earliest years of Nazism. Hitler and the Nazis then waged an all-out war with any and all left-leaning German political opponents.

by your pure "definition" then socialism has never occurred in any version of a  country because the people don't own the factories in any country, it is either private or government. As for putting political opponents in jail, that is from the entire range of political spectrum,  your name is Comrade and any argument that the Communists in Asia did not imprison and kill their political enemies is absurd and shows how politically blinded you are. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

by your pure "definition" then socialism has never occurred in any version of a  country because the people don't own the factories in any country, it is either private or government. As for putting political opponents in jail, that is from the entire range of political spectrum,  your name is Comrade and any argument that the Communists in Asia did not imprison and kill their political enemies is absurd and shows how politically blinded you are. 

I feel like @ComradeKayAdams is interested in textbook definitions of various political ideologies.  There is some merit to that, but people and systems simply do not fall into strict categories that fit into near boxes.  With respect to socialism and workers controlling production, I agree with you—the reality is it’s rarely about the individual, the collective runs the show, it’s just a different form of collective than a corporation.   
 

In the case of the German Socialist party, I’d think it’s a matter of semantics—they saw themselves as socialists, identified as socialists and morphed into the socialist monstrosity they ultimately became.  I can see why Kay would prefer to distance herself from that brand of socialism, but when you get right down to it…they saw it differently.  

[muppy]

2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

just  a quick question. Are not the optics the same? The gesture doesn't matter I guess whoever does it. right?

 

I don't really buy that, a heil Hitler salute is hard to mistake for anything else. I would never make such a gesture.  I don't like anything associated with hitler.

 

So I watch Court TV. There is a case now where a defendant was "scratching her side forehead" with a very obvious middle finger

 

Peoples panties got all bunched up because HOW DISRESPECTFUL. Maybe she was just scratching her face or maybe she was flipping someone else off. Only she knows which is true

 

Samw with Hitler  salutes. It's bad optics, its a bad look and we have NO BUSINESS emulating a guy like Hitler PERIOD

 

Just as a sidenote I learned in Brazil that the "okay sign " thumb to index finger means the same thing  as middle finger there. How did I learn this? By flashing it at a Rotary international meeting. #FACT

 

I DID NOT KNOW

 

I laugh about it now. OOPS

 

m 

[BillsFanNC]

34 minutes ago, muppy said:

just  a quick question. Are not the optics the same? The gesture doesn't matter I guess whoever does it. right?

 

I don't really buy that, a heil Hitler salute is hard to mistake for anything else. I would never make such a gesture.  I don't like anything associated with hitler.

 

So I watch Court TV. There is a case now where a defendant was "scratching her side forehead" with a very obvious middle finger

 

Peoples panties got all bunched up because HOW DISRESPECTFUL. Maybe she was just scratching her face or maybe she was flipping someone else off. Only she knows which is true

 

Samw with Hitler  salutes. It's bad optics, its a bad look and we have NO BUSINESS emulating a guy like Hitler PERIOD

 

Just as a sidenote I learned in Brazil that the "okay sign " thumb to index finger means the same thing  as middle finger there. How did I learn this? By flashing it at a Rotary international meeting. #FACT

 

I DID NOT KNOW

 

I laugh about it now. OOPS

 

m 

 

The optics and narrative are shaped by the media.

 

Musk? Nazi.  Booker? Crickets at best, hilariously stupid closed vs open fingers hand waving BS at worst.

 

Meanwhile neither one of them are nazis.  Anyone who thinks that Booker is actually a nazi  is just as stupid as someone who think that Elon is.

 

Have you ever actually seen the full context of Elon's "nazi" salute?  It took me quite a while to find this clip because searching X for "Musk heart goes out to you" results primarily in clips of the gesture only with those words conveniently edited out.

 

 

[muppy]

8 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

The optics and narrative are shaped by the media.

 

Musk? Nazi.  Booker? Crickets at best, hilariously stupid closed vs open fingers hand waving BS at worst.

 

Meanwhile neither one of them are nazis.  Anyone who thinks that Booker is actually a nazi  is just as stupid as someone who think that Elon is.

 

Have you ever actually seen the full context of Elon's "nazi" salute?  It took me quite a while to find this clip because searching X for "Musk heart goes out to you" results primarily in clips of the gesture only with those words conveniently edited out.

 

 

my point remains though.  A persons inner motive may or may not be what  you think it is which is why I posted examples. He may be a total nazi loving douche for all I know. Maybe he isn't

 

why a person is so quick to defend a person they really don't know is a bit suspect IMO

 

I know people trust that media shapes our opinions. DUH of courrse it does.l BOTH SIDES

 

as much as one person points the finger at one person your thump is pointing back at you. See what I did there?

 

Hmmm

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

48 minutes ago, muppy said:

just  a quick question. Are not the optics the same? The gesture doesn't matter I guess whoever does it. right?

 

I don't really buy that, a heil Hitler salute is hard to mistake for anything else. I would never make such a gesture.  I don't like anything associated with hitler.

 

So I watch Court TV. There is a case now where a defendant was "scratching her side forehead" with a very obvious middle finger

 

Peoples panties got all bunched up because HOW DISRESPECTFUL. Maybe she was just scratching her face or maybe she was flipping someone else off. Only she knows which is true

 

Samw with Hitler  salutes. It's bad optics, its a bad look and we have NO BUSINESS emulating a guy like Hitler PERIOD

 

Just as a sidenote I learned in Brazil that the "okay sign " thumb to index finger means the same thing  as middle finger there. How did I learn this? By flashing it at a Rotary international meeting. #FACT

 

I DID NOT KNOW

 

I laugh about it now. OOPS

 

m 

You didn’t ask me but on rare occasions I offer my thoughts on subjects.  You might have noticed.

 

On optics, sure, sometimes it matters.  When and where, beyond the obvious situations we reasonable folk probably  agree on, it’s hard for me to generate much outrage on issues like this just because some political/media hack says I should.  
 

If I follow the path of least resistance, I have to be outraged at Elon Musk and simultaneously be outraged at Corey Booker for sending Nazi signals to followers at the edge of civilized society.  Why? Because someone told me to be outraged. 
 

If I’m not mistaken, before you flipped off the country of Brazil with your vulgar antics, a movement was afoot to outlaw the ok sign here. Meant something to someone, we were told.  
 

Oh—and I’m the cynical type, but I would not be surprised to hear that both Musk and Booker used the same gesture for political effect to get tongues wagging. 
 

Be nice to Brazilians! 

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

Be nice to Brazilians! 

lmao

THEY were very nice to me. I have genuine amethysts to prove it 🙂

 

TCK

 

:-)

Edited 17 hours ago by muppy

[BillsFanNC]

2 minutes ago, muppy said:

my point remains though.  A persons inner motive may or may not be what  you think it is which is why I posted examples. He may be a total nazi loving douche for all I know. Maybe he isn't

 

why a person is so quick to defend a person they really don't know is a bit suspect IMO

 

I know people trust that media shapes our opinions. DUH of courrse it does.l BOTH SIDES

 

as much as one person points the finger at one person your thump is pointing back at you. See what I did there?

 

Hmmm

 

I tend to apply Occam's razor to these questions.

 

Musk and Booker both have been public figures for quite some time. Based on everything they've said and done over the years what are the odds that either one of them is secretly a Nazi, and then outed themselves in spectacular fashion in front of large audiences?

 

Somewhere in the neighborhood of zero point zero is my guess.

 

 

[B-Man]

5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

 

 Be nice to Brazilians! 

 

 

 

OKAY !                  

[ComradeKayAdams]

3 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

by your pure "definition" then socialism has never occurred in any version of a  country because the people don't own the factories in any country, it is either private or government. As for putting political opponents in jail, that is from the entire range of political spectrum,  your name is Comrade and any argument that the Communists in Asia did not imprison and kill their political enemies is absurd and shows how politically blinded you are. 

 

Government ownership of a factory IS one form of “workers owning the means of production.” In this instance, the collective taxpayers/voters are the owners and the government handles the administrative affairs of the factory.

 

I think you misinterpreted what I wrote: I NEVER denied the historical reality that far-left governments have imprisoned their political opponents. I merely stated that it wasn’t a defining feature of socialism, whereas it IS for fascism. By “defining feature,” I mean “a description that an academic political philosopher would use to help characterize the term.” I personally know lots of card-carrying DSA members, and none of them believe in throwing their political opponents in jail.

 

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I feel like @ComradeKayAdams is interested in textbook definitions of various political ideologies.  There is some merit to that, but people and systems simply do not fall into strict categories that fit into near boxes.  With respect to socialism and workers controlling production, I agree with you—the reality is it’s rarely about the individual, the collective runs the show, it’s just a different form of collective than a corporation.   
 

In the case of the German Socialist party, I’d think it’s a matter of semantics—they saw themselves as socialists, identified as socialists and morphed into the socialist monstrosity they ultimately became.  I can see why Kay would prefer to distance herself from that brand of socialism, but when you get right down to it…they saw it differently.  

 

I mean, sure…EXCEPT FOR THE HISTORICAL FACT that the actual Nazi politicians never saw themselves as socialists, never governed with the implementation of proper socialist policies, and actively fought against real German socialists. By the time the German citizens who supported the Nazis specifically for their socialist branding figured out what was going on, it was too late to dissent.

 

Claiming the Nazis were “socialists” because it was in their party name is simply devoid of any critical historical analysis. It would be like evaluating contemporary American politics by simply stating Democrats must therefore be inherently more “democratic” than Republicans, or that Republicans must therefore be better promulgators of representative democracy than Democrats. These are all just names branded for whatever political expediency at the point of initial historical application.

 

The era of Pax Kay-Leh-na, as established in the Papal Conclave thread, is now under great duress. Proceed with caution, Leh-nerd…

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

12 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Government ownership of a factory IS one form of “workers owning the means of production.” In this instance, the collective taxpayers/voters are the owners and the government handles the administrative affairs of the factory.

 

I think you misinterpreted what I wrote: I NEVER denied the historical reality that far-left governments have imprisoned their political opponents. I merely stated that it wasn’t a defining feature of socialism, whereas it IS for fascism. By “defining feature,” I mean “a description that an academic political philosopher would use to help characterize the term.” I personally know lots of card-carrying DSA members, and none of them believe in throwing their political opponents in jail.

 

 

I mean, sure…EXCEPT FOR THE HISTORICAL FACT that the actual Nazi politicians never saw themselves as socialists, never governed with the implementation of proper socialist policies, and actively fought against real other German socialists. By the time the German citizens who supported the Nazis specifically for their socialist branding figured out what was going on, it was too late to dissent.

 

Claiming the Nazis were “socialists” because it was in their party name is simply devoid of any critical historical analysis. It would be like evaluating contemporary American politics by simply stating Democrats must therefore be inherently more “democratic” than Republicans, or that Republicans must therefore be better promulgators of representative democracy than Democrats. These are all just names branded for whatever political expediency at the point of initial historical application.

 

The era of Pax Kay-Leh-na, as established in the Papal Conclave thread, is now under great duress. Proceed with caution, Leh-nerd…

To the bolded font, in order:

 

1. Calls for speculation some 90 years hence.  Overruled.

2. You seem to be implying there is only one true version of socialism.  I reject that. 

3. Socialist branding.  Exactly, thank you. 

4. Because the enough of the citizenry accepted the approach to socialism as offered by Hitler and crew. 

 

I see no need for caution here, Kay, stop being such a fraidy cat.  

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, muppy said:

lmao

THEY were very nice to me. I have genuine amethysts to prove it 🙂

 

TCK

 

🙂

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