Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[Mikie2times]

36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah to me, one of the things most Bills fans seem to misunderstand about Shakir is he is NOT an instinctive, reliable route runner like Beasley was.   If he were,  Allen would be feeding him non-stop.   He doesn't have complete faith in Shakir that way and you can't throw the ball over the middle to a small target if you don't have complete faith that you will be on the same page. 

 

When Diggs and Davis were outside in 2023 it wasn't exactly Air Coryell but defense's couldn't just focus on one area of the field and were often doubling Diggs and putting CB1 on Davis.   That left some huge holes in the middle of the field for Shakir back in 2023.   It created this misconception that he was one of those "always open" types.  

 

Defense's are squatting in those areas where he was thriving back then.  So they are forced to throw a lot of really short passes to get the ball in his hands so they can get that high end RAC out of him.   

I want to give you a thumbs down for fun, but couldn't agree more. Shakir is elite, but it's a very niche elite YAC skill set, perfect for screens. He's fairly pedestrian downfield or even getting open in the short and intermediary routes. Beasley was basically automatic over the middle of the field within 10 yards on those slants and in routes. He could always get open. The two players couldn't be any more different.  

[Captain_Quint]

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

update?

He's still stretching out and warming up. Get ready for the windmill dunks this week. 

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

You wouldn't trade Franklin for Coleman straight up?

Probably not. Franklin was useless last season, and while he's had a slightly better start to the season, most of his production is in 2 games. He hasn't done anything to rise from a 4th round pick to a high 2nd round pick caliber so far. He has two modetsly ok games in his entire career so far, neither above 100 yards. Coleman by contrast has 2 games over 100 yards.

I guess I don't see Coleman's limited production as a problem. It looks to me like they're using him how they want to use him. His job is to catch 0-3 important balls a game. I also kind of think that's the way they want to use Josh. Hand the ball off, take the dinks and dunks, and make the big 3rd/4th down play when we need it. The rest of the time, play safe, and hit the open underneath guy.

I don't think it's a bad plan, either.

[Mikie2times]

40 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Probably not. Franklin was useless last season, and while he's had a slightly better start to the season, most of his production is in 2 games. He hasn't done anything to rise from a 4th round pick to a high 2nd round pick caliber so far. He has two modetsly ok games in his entire career so far, neither above 100 yards. Coleman by contrast has 2 games over 100 yards.

I guess I don't see Coleman's limited production as a problem. It looks to me like they're using him how they want to use him. His job is to catch 0-3 important balls a game. I also kind of think that's the way they want to use Josh. Hand the ball off, take the dinks and dunks, and make the big 3rd/4th down play when we need it. The rest of the time, play safe, and hit the open underneath guy.

I don't think it's a bad plan, either.

This is a really silly position to dig in on. On one hand you minimize Franklin for having all his production in two games, on the other Coleman has 19 catches 155 yards in the last 6 games. The only reason Coleman has done more statistically in his career is the Bills gave him the spot last year based on his draft position. Franklin has had to earn it. You're trusting Beane's grade at this point, which is fine, but it's not exactly a short list as far as WR's who get drafted early and become nothing nor is Beane shown to be some WR whisperer.

 

Franklins ability to stretch the field is clearly superior and his numbers when factoring in the target share of both offenses are more impressive. Denver actually has some mouths to feed. Coleman should be eating like crazy. What else is crazy is assuming Buffalo is basically using him as a decoy. Nobody cares about Coleman, he can't be a decoy. He's wearing DB's like a Macy's jacket when he's out there.  Teams care about a WR with sub 4.4 speed who is 6"3 and can take the top off. Maybe you don't care but I guarantee you McD does after the playoff game last year. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mikie2times