Beane elaborates on the process of picking Josh Allen

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, totally messed up Josh. 

 

Yeah, I mean, his completion percentage went down from 63.5% to 66.5%. Oh, hang on, that's up, not down. 

 

And his total yards went down from 4283 to 4306. Oh, wait, that's up also. Josh had a very good year that year, as he always has

 

Allen wasn't "totally messed up" or anything like it. That's a completely ridiculous take.

 

Is it maybe a legit contention that Diggs didn't help much that last year here? Yeah, totally. Hard to say why, no matter how you pretend to totally understand the situation. But he was very unproductive, for whatever reason. I know I was wildly pissed seeing the hand gesture he made to Josh on that last drop in the Chiefs playoff game, like "oh, we just didn't quite get together well enough there." But the first three years Josh leaned on him tremendously. Neither made the other. You have to be willing to contort yourself into absolute pretzels to pretend that. They helped each other. Tremendously.

 

And yes, players do get injured, Keon included. Some years. Not others. Again, you're contorting yourself like a circus act here. Extrapolation only looks "meaningless" if you don't happen to find the meaning it shows as convenient to your own pre-judgments.

 

"A decent first half of the season"? Again, nonsense. For a rookie he was having an excellent first year, second in yards among rookies, if I remember correctly, despite being the fifth WR taken, with two in the top 9 picks.

 

Did Keon do very well in that one game? Um, yeah, that's how it works. Good games and bad games. I mean, if you want to "take out that clear outlier," his best game, fine, but you have to throw out the worst also. And what you get is just about the same average. He was having a really good rookie year that first half, and getting better. He was a different player after that injury, suddenly losing about every contested catch when up till then he'd been winning a lot of them.

 

 

 

Regarding Diggs, the Bills ate a big cap sandwich to get rid of him.  Why is that?  

 

Regarding Coleman, take out his worst game and you still have 13 games of 51 or fewer yards. After that 125 yard game, he would average 28 yards per game over then next 9 games including the playoffs. 

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

This is a made up myth that keeps being repeated.  How do you know how the Bills wouldn't have taken Lamar?  We do know the Bills weren't satisfied with what they had at QB even after making the playoffs.

 

If you put Lamar and D Henry on the current Bills they would still be favorites to win the AFCE.

Its pure speculation on my part.   Just like you are speculating they would have taken Lamar. I've defended Jackson on this board for years. Since virtually no one had Lamar in the top 4 QBs to be taken I think its a good guess when they traded up they would have taken one of the other three if Allen was gone. 

For me Allen was always the guy to go get. I didn't know a great deal about Baker but didn't like his size or the system/conference he came from. I knew Darnold was going to be a bust. Saw it in college and posted many times before the draft. Any pocket pressure and he panicked even against patsies like Washington State. I'm not ashamed to say for me it was always Allen, Rosen, Mayfield as 1, 2, 3. After that I can't recall. I liked Jackson out of college as I thought he was a better passer than people were stating. That said I also tended to prefer pocket passers so in the end I probably had Darnold 4th with a lot of trepidation. Hope I'm remembering it correctly. All that said I didn't anticipate the running ability that Allen has shown. I fell in love with the arm strength in the Buffalo wind and cold. You can't teach arm strength.  Most everything else you can improve.  

[BuffaL0L0k0]

On 5/11/2025 at 8:22 PM, folz said:

 

I agree that Ed has never quite reached his draft status. At pick 9, yes, you're hoping for an Aaron Donald or the like---which Ed is not. But, he is still an excellent player in my opinion. Not elite, but very good. And I have a feeling he may have a big year, with a better line around him. But yes, you can knock the pick a bit because we could have traded back and still had Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence, or Jeffrey Simmons. So, it could have been a better pick, but it was by no means a bad pick.

 

And a challenge, huh? I already did K.C. (for 2021-2024) in the post I linked. But adding the Eagles and SF and going back to 2018 or 2017 (probably 2018 is the better choice, as 2017 wasn't a Beane draft), might take some time. The reason I included Tampa is because Buffalo, K.C., and Tampa are the only three teams to make the playoffs in each of the last 5 years, so they have relatively been drafting in the same range over that time. So, my purpose was to compare Buffalo's drafts to teams that were drafting in the same range as us to determine if Beane does better or worse on average with those teams. Again, I think it is an unfair comparison to compare Beane's drafts with teams that are drafting significantly higher than us.

What a finding about the ¨small club* by KCY, TBY and the Good Ol Maffia, being in the playoffs the L5 years! great knowledge nugget, thanks!