MadBuffaloDisease Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 My wife was watching some s#it on the TV the other day were Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie decided to go get laser corrective eye surgery. Quite why is beyond me as neither wears glasses as far as i can tell. They filmed Ms Hiltons procedure. Let me tell you. They give you a couple of numbing eye drops, crank your eyes wide open to the point where they are almost splitting at the sides, then then take a scalpel and slice a portion of your eye and fold it back. That's right - they take a knife to your eye and cut it. Then comes all the s#it with the laser and when they are done then simply flap this loose piece of eye back into place. No I don't know about anyone else - but if I even get a tiny speck of dust in my eyes I am a whinging flapping mess until it is out - and for ages afterwards my eye is red and sore. Compare that pain and irritation to some quack CUTTING YOUR EYE AND LEAVING THE FLAP LOOSE. Seems to me that eyes have a reaction that says they don't like to be messed with. Well, that's how it appears. But your eyes are "splitting wide open" and you don't feel any pain. And most places give you a valium (or 3) to take before the procedure. Oh and as far as the scalpel, the place I went to had a device that used suction to attach to the eyeball and use a cutting machine, not a traditional scalpel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick in* england Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Well, that's how it appears. But your eyes are "splitting wide open" and you don't feel any pain. And most places give you a valium (or 3) to take before the procedure. Oh and as far as the scalpel, the place I went to had a device that used suction to attach to the eyeball and use a cutting machine, not a traditional scalpel. 372575[/snapback] A cutting machine sounds even more horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Baumer Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 I went to Fichte Eye Associates here in Buffalo last year and it was the best decision I have ever made. I have been as blind as you get since I was 12 and not only was it 100% painless, I had better than 20/20 vision the following morning. The one suggestion I would make is to DEFINITELY get the Custom Oblation and nothing less. You do not want to risk having night blindness or anything of that nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 A cutting machine sounds even more horrific. 372608[/snapback] I agree. Ick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 A cutting machine sounds even more horrific. It's not. I'd have been more worried if a surgeon used his hand to cut the layer of cornea off. But instead it was a machine that can do it with much more precision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 It's not. I'd have been more worried if a surgeon used his hand to cut the layer of cornea off. But instead it was a machine that can do it with much more precision. 372664[/snapback] Yup, just like unscrewing a pickle jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 My wife was watching some s#it on the TV the other day were Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie decided to go get laser corrective eye surgery. Quite why is beyond me as neither wears glasses as far as i can tell. They filmed Ms Hiltons procedure. Let me tell you. They give you a couple of numbing eye drops, crank your eyes wide open to the point where they are almost splitting at the sides, then then take a scalpel and slice a portion of your eye and fold it back. That's right - they take a knife to your eye and cut it. Then comes all the s#it with the laser and when they are done then simply flap this loose piece of eye back into place. No I don't know about anyone else - but if I even get a tiny speck of dust in my eyes I am a whinging flapping mess until it is out - and for ages afterwards my eye is red and sore. Compare that pain and irritation to some quack CUTTING YOUR EYE AND LEAVING THE FLAP LOOSE. Seems to me that eyes have a reaction that says they don't like to be messed with. 372506[/snapback] watching The Simple Life is more painful than surgury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Let me tell you. They give you a couple of numbing eye drops, crank your eyes wide open to the point where they are almost splitting at the sides, then then take a scalpel and slice a portion of your eye and fold it back. That's right - they take a knife to your eye and cut it. Then comes all the s#it with the laser and when they are done then simply flap this loose piece of eye back into place. No I don't know about anyone else - but if I even get a tiny speck of dust in my eyes I am a whinging flapping mess until it is out - and for ages afterwards my eye is red and sore. Compare that pain and irritation to some quack CUTTING YOUR EYE AND LEAVING THE FLAP LOOSE. I didn't know how they did it until a friend had the surgery a few years ago and described this same procedure to me in detail. She said she was absolutely terrified (you are apparently completely blind once they cut the flap open) and said if she had it to do over again wouldn't even consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Some of you people replying about this procedure are ignorant as all HELL!!! You obviously have not had it, or believe yourself to be experts about something you know little of, but feel a need to spout off. Nick, your post is a JOKE!!! No one is clamping and splitting your eye, taking a scalpel, and a **** laser. And if you are in pain after the surgery, something went way wrong. Fichte is well known in Buffalo. I went to Atwal. I had been to Atwal for up to 20 years before I had the surgery. I googled Atwal and found his name on the Vatican's web-site where the Pope had referred someone to Atwal. It don't get better than that! Your lids are held open to prevent blinking, not to widen it as much as possible. With anesthetic drops, this is not uncomfortabel at all. A "microkeratome" glides across your eye, which pulls the cornea back. You feel nothing but a sensation of something on your eye for no more than 1-2 seconds. Focus on a light as the laser does it's thing, half minute later you are done. After the procedure, the only discomfort you MAY feel is like you have an an eyelash in your eye. Go home, nap a couple hours, wake up and then you will feel nothing. Someone mentioned a halo effect. Yes I have a small amount of that. Atwal Lasik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Whats up with the "see clearly method? I hear so much about? Anyone have any info on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Some of you people replying about this procedure are ignorant as all HELL!!! You obviously have not had it, or believe yourself to be experts about something you know little of, but feel a need to spout off. Atwal Lasik 373421[/snapback] If you are referring to me (in addition to Nick), I can say in my defense that I have a B.S. and M.S. in Optical Engineering and I have personally designed and aligned the beam-shaping optics on the front end of these types of lasers. While that doesn't make me an eye doctor, it does give me insight into the machines, the software, and the optical principles behind the procedure. BTW, the halo effect is often caused by an introduction of spherical aberration due to the fact that S.A. is strongly affected by lens shape. So at night, when your pupils are dilated the marginal rays are focusing to a different axial position than the paraxial rays. The transverse ray error at the retina varies as the cube of normalized pupil position of the entering ray.... But, I'm sure you know that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Lawsuits commence against Alcon.... http://www.alconladarvision.com/ Their LADARvision machines seem to be very problematic. One shut down in the middle of surgery. FDA handing out warnings.... (I know I read that all these problems were "in the past".... I guess Alcon didn't get the message.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 I guess Kathy Griffin isn't all too happy above her 15 minute miracle... http://www.kathygriffin.net/lasik.php A summary from her recent interviews last week: "Kathy Griffin was a guest on Fox and Friends today, Wednesday June 22, from around 8:50 to 8:55 am (Eastern time). The first half of the interview was spent on what the host and she both called her "botched" Lasik eye surgery; the second half was spent trading quips and promoting a show she'll be doing in New York City this week. Her face and eyes looked perfectly fine to me (but that's true of a great many of us here whose problems are not visible to others in everyday life). Here's a paraphrase of what I recall her saying about the operation: It's about one month since surgery on her right eye to deal with epithelial ingrowth. The operation lasted 90 minutes and was done under general anesthesia (after which she threw up for days). The doctor put 17 stitches in her right eye; the stitches were recently removed. She says that the ingrowth is apparently gone, but the vision in her right eye is currently blurry, and she doesn't know if it will ever come back clearly. There was a brief exchange with a host about the issue of informed consent. Kathy Griffin said that in advance of her first surgery, she wouldn't have understood what "epithelial ingrowth" was, nor how it might matter to her as a patient." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 and while I am still fighting the good fight... there is something to know about some of the people who recommend the procedure after they have had it: "You've hit on a phenomenon psychologists call "cognitive dissonance." Here, it means that once you spend a ton of money on an irreversible procedure, with at least modest levels of discomfort or aberrations, you're likely to convince yourself you're happy with the results, in order to justify your decision, particularly with your surgeon insisting that you have a perfect result." I have seen this discussed about lasik for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 SDS...so what is your take on this matter?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 and while I am still fighting the good fight... there is something to know about some of the people who recommend the procedure after they have had it: "You've hit on a phenomenon psychologists call "cognitive dissonance." Here, it means that once you spend a ton of money on an irreversible procedure, with at least modest levels of discomfort or aberrations, you're likely to convince yourself you're happy with the results, in order to justify your decision, particularly with your surgeon insisting that you have a perfect result." I have seen this discussed about lasik for years... 373446[/snapback] See also Japanese car purchases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 "You've hit on a phenomenon psychologists call "cognitive dissonance." Here, it means that once you spend a ton of money on an irreversible procedure, with at least modest levels of discomfort or aberrations, you're likely to convince yourself you're happy with the results, in order to justify your decision, particularly with your surgeon insisting that you have a perfect result." I have seen this discussed about lasik for years... 373446[/snapback] What the hell is this, Russia? Someone has a different opinion so they must have a mental illness? I have first-hand experience. This isn't hearsay, or a friend of a friend, or something I saw on the net. I know everytime I look out my window, or go swimming, play sports, or just sit on my butt 14 feet away from the TV that the procedure was not just worth it, but an absolute steal at $3K pre-tax dollars. Show me where else you can get something that changes your life (for the better, wiseguys) for that little... and that includes the 62" HDTV. Yep, everytime I climb behind the wheel of my Japanese car and pop on the Raybans, I know I made the best possible choice (with both!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 I guess Kathy Griffin isn't all too happy above her 15 minute miracle... http://www.kathygriffin.net/lasik.php A summary from her recent interviews last week: "Kathy Griffin was a guest on Fox and Friends today, Wednesday June 22, from around 8:50 to 8:55 am (Eastern time). The first half of the interview was spent on what the host and she both called her "botched" Lasik eye surgery; the second half was spent trading quips and promoting a show she'll be doing in New York City this week. Her face and eyes looked perfectly fine to me (but that's true of a great many of us here whose problems are not visible to others in everyday life). Here's a paraphrase of what I recall her saying about the operation: It's about one month since surgery on her right eye to deal with epithelial ingrowth. The operation lasted 90 minutes and was done under general anesthesia (after which she threw up for days). The doctor put 17 stitches in her right eye; the stitches were recently removed. She says that the ingrowth is apparently gone, but the vision in her right eye is currently blurry, and she doesn't know if it will ever come back clearly. There was a brief exchange with a host about the issue of informed consent. Kathy Griffin said that in advance of her first surgery, she wouldn't have understood what "epithelial ingrowth" was, nor how it might matter to her as a patient." 373443[/snapback] Come on, Scott. This "doctor" appears to be a quack. "Dr. Maloney is a proponent of a new procedure called JewelEye, a procedure in which a stone is implanted into the eyeball. ....Here is a picture of the aftermath of this procedure. Yikes!! (note this is NOT Kathy)" No reputable eye specialist would ever endorse doing something like that. As I said before, we should all respect each others opinion's. No one answer is right or wrong for every person/situation, particularly when it comes to medical procedures. All I can say is that I'm very happy I had it done. But that doesn't mean I'm qualified to give advice, other than a recommendation for Fichte if someone does want to choose a place to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 What the hell is this, Russia? Someone has a different opinion so they must have a mental illness? I have first-hand experience. This isn't hearsay, or a friend of a friend, or something I saw on the net. I know everytime I look out my window, or go swimming, play sports, or just sit on my butt 14 feet away from the TV that the procedure was not just worth it, but an absolute steal at $3K pre-tax dollars. Show me where else you can get something that changes your life (for the better, wiseguys) for that little... and that includes the 62" HDTV. Yep, everytime I climb behind the wheel of my Japanese car and pop on the Raybans, I know I made the best possible choice (with both!) 373487[/snapback] Like you, I will speak from my experience. First, contact lenses, as time went on for me the irritation level got unbearable. It was a sad day when I gave them up. Contact lenses gave me the same "halo " effect. My glasses were so thick (double digit di-opter) that my vision through them was not as good as it should be. So I have a halo effect now, but I'm 95% better today than where I was, so I'm very happy with Lasik. Seems as though the Detroit Lions think it is good too Lions I've always bought American, but my nexct is going to be Honda/Nissan/Toyota. I just want to try the other side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eiregi Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 I'm enivious... i had scleral buckle operation in 1988 which basically saved my left eye but left me basically blind in that eye... i lucked out because my right eye became the dominant eye even though uncorrected it's 20/200+... i'd get laser on that eye but when your down to one you can't risk it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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