leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15 Posted July 15 (edited) 12 hours ago, muppy said: Greetings . Just what is pliable truth? To me that means Lie. Isn't truth pure and by definition true? Lies can't hang with the truth. It distorts it from truth to lies so what you wrote makes no sense to me homey. we get what we get screams coverup and someone is covering up. It stinks bro. No Biieno Pam Bondi is on the hook. and now its all gone? what is this the twilight zone? Up Is down and down is UP truth? Lies. Lets be real here. I think she had a list and now its gone. WHy? Somebody needs to come clean I don’t know how to make it make sense to you, Mup. I’ll try, but it seems you’re hunkered down on this one. Politicians, leaders in the house and senate, certain media members and the like lie. They view facts as pliable, manipulate details as they feel warranted and push on. I think this perspective is centrist, not particularly earth shattering, and shared by the majority of Americans. Lies hang with the truth everyday in DC politics. It’s the standard for any variety of reasons. You hold your nose when your people do it, I hold my nose when the people I support do it, and we move forward. If there is a deep, legitimate cover up it will reflect business as usual. But if there is a deep, legitimate coverup it didn’t start at the inauguration of DJT in January. Might I add, if you feel it now, and felt it then, why weren’t you pounding the table when Garland’s DOJ sat on their hands? That’s a rhetorical question and ties back in to holding noses when the favored people hold office. Let’s be real here indeed. The Trump admin botched the handling of all this, and Bondi has to answer for it. Heavy lies the crown. As far as a list goes (and assuming some credible list with names, dates and details ever existed) I’m sorry, but assuming that list wasn’t scrubbed, reviewed, manipulated, changed, deleted or otherwise altered during the Biden/Garland years makes little sense to me. It’s difficult for me to generate much outrage simply because some liberal leader had a bad case of Rip Van Winkle Syndrome for the past half-decade and suddenly found The Lord on 1/20/25. Why is it gone, if it ever existed? Easiest question of the day—Power corrupts. Victimizers victimize. Some people are above the law. Edited July 15 by leh-nerd skin-erd
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 15 Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I don’t know how to make it make sense to you, Mup. I’ll try, but it seems you’re hunkered down on this one. Politicians, leaders in the house and senate, certain media members and the like lie. They view facts as pliable, manipulate details as they feel warranted and push on. I think this perspective is centrist, not particularly earth shattering, and shared by the majority of Americans. Lies hang with the truth everyday in DC politics. It’s the standard for any variety of reasons. You hold your nose when your people do it, I hold my nose when the people I support do it, and we move forward. If there is a deep, legitimate cover up it will reflect business as usual. But if there is a deep, legitimate coverup it don’t start at the inauguration of DJT in January. Might I add, if you feel it now, and felt it then, why weren’t you pounding the table when Garland’s DOJ sat on their hands? That’s a rhetorical question and ties back in to holding noses when the favored people hold office. Let’s be real here indeed. The Trump admin botched the handling of all this, and Bondi has to answer for it. Heavy lies the crown. As far as a list goes (and assuming some credible list with names, dates and details ever existed) I’m sorry, but assuming that list wasn’t scrubbed, reviewed, manipulated, changed, deleted or otherwise altered during the Biden/Garland years makes little sense to me. It’s difficult for me to generate much outrage simply because some liberal leader had a bad case of Rip Van Winkle Syndrome and suddenly found The Lord. Why is it gone, if it ever existed? Easiest question of the day—Power corrupts. Victimizers victimize. Some people are above the law. you need to pull out the water colors or crayons and paint a rainbow. Lies occur on a spectrum or curve, trump is on the most extreme end.
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 15 Posted July 15 6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: In fairness to CoffeeforClosers, he didn't (in that post) accuse anyone of pedophilia. Here's the point to this Epstein business. For years MAGA has floated these wild conspiracy theories it used to brainwash a significant part of the populous and, more importantly, to demonize a significant part of the populous. The Epstein issue, and perhaps the Obama birther dreck, were at the center of the whole operation. Epstein arguably transcends birtherism, though. Epstein, at its core, is about elites abusing the vulnerable. My take on MAGA is that it sees itself not as those children, but as somewhat similar vulnerable who have been abused in different ways by the same elites. Whether there's validity to that is debatable. (Nobody sat there and made a lot of those people not study in school, not go to work, not eat green vegetables, and not put down the bottle, etc.). Now, in covering up this sore that festered for years and years, Trump is more easily associated with those elites. (I get that he's always been one of them, but that's besides the point.) The binders, according to MAGA, exist. The list, according to MAGA, exists. And yet it won't be made public because, apparently after all these years, Trump discovered that it was written by Obama, Hillary, etc. Trump has been absurd for a long time, but this might be the most asinine thing he's done and the most ridiculous lie that he has told. I enjoy watching MAGA get twisted in knots figuring out how to reconcile this sort of "original sin" lie. I also hope it shatters his support. Not that I disagree with people who want a fair shot at life, and who feel like the middle class has been strip mined for decades. But so the solution to their problems isn't this dictatorial, ill-prepared, nasty doddering old fool who doesn't actually have the interests of anyone other than his own at heart. I have to admit none of this makes much sense to me. I don't think anyone cares much about Obama or Hillary at this point. Nobody posting here is sitting around with baited breath hanging on every word out of Trump's mouth. I certainly am not. My overall view of Trump is I'm willing to tolerate him because the alternative is much worse. If anything, he's lost the audience with his comments on the Epstein "files" rather than everyone adjusting their views to reconcile with his statements. Few to none buys his explanation. And you definitely lost me with the argument about abuse from elites. That is clearly a construct of the political left. The entire victim narrative is at the core of almost every progressive/liberal/far left belief. Its at the core of every argument, such as immigration enforcement with the "hating brown people" routine or with taxes and making the rich "pay their fair share". The system praying on the weak while the libs control most of the system. The progressive mind thinks of themselves as championing the downtrodden of the world while in reality its a big self-serving hustle. A big paradox and contradiction. At least up until January 2025 when they lost much of their power and watched helplessly as their apparatus and mechanisms of control were dismantled. Given all that they've committed to violent rhetoric and violent actions. A review of Epstein's history of sexual misconduct associated with minors and young women with a convictions and guilty pleas followed by slap on the wrist type sentencing and his documented associations with a lot of wealthy, powerful, celebrity types, and others complete with photo ops with young women made to do who knows what, puts out a lot of smoke that suggests there's a fire there. Most speculation centered around some intelligence community including the CIA, Mossad, MI6 running a blackmail operation. 1
TH3 Posted July 15 Posted July 15 21 hours ago, Westside said: bull####…. You lapped up the biden is sharp as a tack disinformation. Never said a word about biden, lol, yeah right. F’n liar. Find it....it's a pretty easy search on this forum
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 15 Posted July 15 (edited) nothing to see here https://www.alternet.org/epstein-trump/ Why not have Wolf testify before congress? "I was sitting talking to Epstein and he said, 'Wait a minute, I've gotta show you something.'" According to Wolff, Epstein "went into his safe, and he came out with photographs. They were Polaroids, I think, and he kind of spread them out like playing cards. ... It was Trump with girls of an uncertain age, at Epstein's Palm Beach house, where all of the things that (Epstein) would ultimately be accused of took place." He places the date of those pictures around 1999 or 2000. "And I remember very vividly three of them," Wolff continued. "There are two in which the girls, topless girls, are sitting on Trump's lap. And then a third in which he has a stain on the front of his pants, and the girls are kind of pointing at it, sort of bent over, laughing ... three or four girls." Wolff also said he assumes those photographs were in Epstein's safe when the FBI raided his house and seized every item of potential evidence. Edited July 15 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
Westside Posted July 15 Posted July 15 14 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Come on. He was best friends with Ted Kennedy who flipped a car and left an intern to die. He chased every skirt he could chase. Not to mention there were at least 9 women he acknowledged fondling, and another who accused him of violent sexual assault. His legacy is f’d because he was a numbskull, but he was always a numbskull. Don’t forget who his best friends were, leaders in the kkk. Yeah that biden sure is a peach!
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15 Posted July 15 42 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: you need to pull out the water colors or crayons and paint a rainbow. Lies occur on a spectrum or curve, trump is on the most extreme end. I’m confident Mup will understand what I wrote while you might need coloring books with dogs, cats and such. Cool story about the spectrum, but you probably should offer more than “Fergie likes pictures of wainbows” if you want to be taken seriously. You’re a pretend doctor on an obscure political forum on a pro football forum—start acting like it! 12 minutes ago, Westside said: Don’t forget who his best friends were, leaders in the kkk. Yeah that biden sure is a peach! You really have to suspend reality and put aside all that you know to ignore the warts of Joe Biden, but God love ‘em, the liberals here do their level best. 1 1
JDHillFan Posted July 15 Posted July 15 47 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: nothing to see here https://www.alternet.org/epstein-trump/ Why not have Wolf testify before congress? "I was sitting talking to Epstein and he said, 'Wait a minute, I've gotta show you something.'" According to Wolff, Epstein "went into his safe, and he came out with photographs. They were Polaroids, I think, and he kind of spread them out like playing cards. ... It was Trump with girls of an uncertain age, at Epstein's Palm Beach house, where all of the things that (Epstein) would ultimately be accused of took place." He places the date of those pictures around 1999 or 2000. "And I remember very vividly three of them," Wolff continued. "There are two in which the girls, topless girls, are sitting on Trump's lap. And then a third in which he has a stain on the front of his pants, and the girls are kind of pointing at it, sort of bent over, laughing ... three or four girls." Wolff also said he assumes those photographs were in Epstein's safe when the FBI raided his house and seized every item of potential evidence. alternet…lol
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I have to admit none of this makes much sense to me. I don't think anyone cares much about Obama or Hillary at this point. Nobody posting here is sitting around with baited breath hanging on every word out of Trump's mouth. I certainly am not. My overall view of Trump is I'm willing to tolerate him because the alternative is much worse. If anything, he's lost the audience with his comments on the Epstein "files" rather than everyone adjusting their views to reconcile with his statements. Few to none buys his explanation. And you definitely lost me with the argument about abuse from elites. That is clearly a construct of the political left. The entire victim narrative is at the core of almost every progressive/liberal/far left belief. Its at the core of every argument, such as immigration enforcement with the "hating brown people" routine or with taxes and making the rich "pay their fair share". The system praying on the weak while the libs control most of the system. The progressive mind thinks of themselves as championing the downtrodden of the world while in reality its a big self-serving hustle. A big paradox and contradiction. At least up until January 2025 when they lost much of their power and watched helplessly as their apparatus and mechanisms of control were dismantled. Given all that they've committed to violent rhetoric and violent actions. A review of Epstein's history of sexual misconduct associated with minors and young women with a convictions and guilty pleas followed by slap on the wrist type sentencing and his documented associations with a lot of wealthy, powerful, celebrity types, and others complete with photo ops with young women made to do who knows what, puts out a lot of smoke that suggests there's a fire there. Most speculation centered around some intelligence community including the CIA, Mossad, MI6 running a blackmail operation. KaBoom. Very well said.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15 Posted July 15 41 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: alternet…lol alternet is the google of the mwww (mostly world wide web). Cash money.
muppy Posted July 15 Posted July 15 I appreciate the dialogue. and Leo knows I ask his thoughts with a sincere heart. I don't know all the answers. But he makes it plain for me and I appreciate HIM muppy I am working will check back to read more later. @leh-nerd skin-erd 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted July 15 Posted July 15 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: And you definitely lost me with the argument about abuse from elites. That is clearly a construct of the political left. The entire victim narrative is at the core of almost every progressive/liberal/far left belief. Its at the core of every argument, such as immigration enforcement with the "hating brown people" routine or with taxes and making the rich "pay their fair share". But the rich and powerful are literally using the right wing politicians they have bought to take health insurance away from the poorest in society to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. That's just a fact And the attack on the working class immigrants is pretty sick. Walking on the weakest in society to satisfy political ambition. Race is absolutely at the heart of the "we are being invaded, we are being replaced" ideology. 2 2
JFKjr Posted July 15 Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: But the rich and powerful are literally using the right wing politicians they have bought to take health insurance away from the poorest in society to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. That's just a fact And the attack on the working class immigrants is pretty sick. Walking on the weakest in society to satisfy political ambition. Race is absolutely at the heart of the "we are being invaded, we are being replaced" ideology. Are you referring to health insurance for illegal immigrants?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted July 15 Posted July 15 Just now, JFKjr said: Are you referring to health insurance for illegal immigrants? Why bring up that? Just a distraction? No, rural citizens are losing health insurance. You would rather immigrants suffer and die than be treated, though, right?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: alternet is the google of the mwww (mostly world wide web). Cash money. Is the story true? multiple site describe it. 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You’re a pretend doctor on an obscure political forum on a pro football forum—start acting like it! Within reasonable limits, acting out is almost encouraged here. I like it. Seems you do as well. Aren't you a lawyer? Don't you have some house closing signings to attend to?
JFKjr Posted July 15 Posted July 15 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Let’s be real here indeed. The Trump admin botched the handling of all this, and Bondi has to answer for it. Heavy lies the crown. As far as a list goes (and assuming some credible list with names, dates and details ever existed) I’m sorry, but assuming that list wasn’t scrubbed, reviewed, manipulated, changed, deleted or otherwise altered during the Biden/Garland years makes little sense to me. It’s difficult for me to generate much outrage simply because some liberal leader had a bad case of Rip Van Winkle Syndrome for the past half-decade and suddenly found The Lord on 1/20/25. Why is it gone, if it ever existed? Easiest question of the day—Power corrupts. Victimizers victimize. Some people are above the law. I will respectfully disagree. Just as Trump's tariffs are not the full intended policy, just his opening gambit, this bit on the Epstein Files is similar. He wants Libs/Dems to "call for their release." And yes this thing will eventually be wide open. As it should be. 1
Big Blitz Posted July 15 Author Posted July 15 19 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Why bring up that? Just a distraction? No, rural citizens are losing health insurance. You would rather immigrants suffer and die than be treated, though, right? Then it sounds like “brown people” are suddenly not the target of the Medicaid reform. If rural citizens are losing their insurance. Just want to make sure we’re clear on who the evil Republicans are trying to kill. 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15 Posted July 15 30 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Is the story true? multiple site describe it. Ever since multiple sources of the day reported that Martian invasion, I’m more or a quality not quantity guy. 30 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Within reasonable limits, acting out is almost encouraged here. I like it. Seems you do as well. Aren't you a lawyer? Don't you have some house closing signings to attend to? That’s fair about posting here. However, just because I like to yammer on endlessly does not mean I’m a lawyer. I am not. 1 1
JFKjr Posted July 15 Posted July 15 51 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Why bring up that? Just a distraction? No, rural citizens are losing health insurance. You would rather immigrants suffer and die than be treated, though, right? Oh so Trump is killing off his base. Got it.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 15 Posted July 15 19 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Ever since multiple sources of the day reported that Martian invasion, I’m more or a quality not quantity guy. That’s fair about posting here. However, just because I like to yammer on endlessly does not mean I’m a lawyer. I am not. A source perhaps "doc" will appreciate. Do you think the story is true? https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/epstein-showed-photos-of-trump-with-topless-women-he-could-ruin-donald-claims-author/articleshow/114856535.cms
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