Big Blitz Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Just now, Roundybout said: Oh, it’s not that. It’s that I was correct all along in calling out Trump’s lie that he was the president of peace. Did he just bomb France? You're having a very hard time understanding the dynamics here. No one said Trump is Ghandi. This is Iran. They’ve started the war with the West in 1979. Funding terror. Pursuing nukes. Attacking Israel. Attacking us. They are number 2 of top 3 threats on Earth. NK Iran CCP 1
Roundybout Posted June 22 Posted June 22 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Did he just bomb France? You're having a very hard time understanding the dynamics here. No one said Trump is Ghandi. This is Iran. They’ve started the war with the West in 1979. Funding terror. Pursuing nukes. Attacking Israel. Attacking us. They are number 2 of top 3 threats on Earth. NK Iran CCP They didn’t attack us. Why are we attacking them? I don’t care about Israel. America First.
Big Blitz Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Just now, Roundybout said: They didn’t attack us. Why are we attacking them? I don’t care about Israel. America First. Trump isn’t up for election. You need to really reflect on how much of a threat Iran is and what would happen if we let them get a nuke. And you know how I know they have them? Not a PEEP from the IAEA or UN that they don’t and not a PEEP from the regime denying they have them the way that Iraq did. This isn’t Iraq.
Roundybout Posted June 22 Posted June 22 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Trump isn’t up for election. You need to really reflect on how much of a threat Iran is and what would happen if we let them get a nuke. And you know how I know they have them? Not a PEEP from the IAEA or UN that they don’t and not a PEEP from the regime denying they have them the way that Iraq did. This isn’t Iraq. And again, this just shows how much the “president of peace” line was complete nonsense. If Iran had a nuke, they’d be parading it through the streets. Someone’s intel would have figured it out - ours, UK, Israel, etc.
B-Man Posted August 10 Posted August 10 (edited) On 8/8/2025 at 6:48 PM, BillsFanNC said: Well, he can ‘see’ Russia from there. Sorry Sara. 😆 ; Edited August 12 by B-Man 2
B-Man Posted August 12 Posted August 12 Trump talks about the "land swapping" that he says will take place in ending the war in Ukraine. From the transcript of his press briefing yesterday, Trump talks about the "land swapping" that he says will take place in ending the war in Ukraine: We're going to change the lines, the battle lines. Russia's occupied a big portion of Ukraine. They've occupied some very prime territory. We're going to try and get some of that territory back for Ukraine. But they've taken some very prime territory. They've taken largely, in real estate we call it oceanfront property. The most powerful man in the world — attempting to manage what he's just called "by far the worst that's happened since World War II" — seems comfortable reverting to real-estate mogul mode. That's always the most valuable property. If you're on a lake, a river or an ocean, it's always the best property. Well, Ukraine, a lot of people don't know that Ukraine was largely a thousand miles of ocean. That's gone, other than one small area, Odessa, it's a small area. There's just a little bit of water left. So I'm going to go and see the parameters. Now, I may leave and say good luck, and that'll be the end. I may say this is not going to be settled. I mean, there are those that believe that Putin wanted all of Ukraine. I happen to be one of them, by the way. I think if it weren't for me, he would not be even talking to anybody else right now. But I'm going to meet with him. We're going to see what the parameters are, and then I'm going to call up President Zelensky and the European leaders. https://althouse.blogspot.com/2025/08/trump-talks-about-land-swapping-thats.html https://www.rev.com/transcripts/trump-details-crime-crackdown-for-d-c press conference transcript 1
AverageAllensSuspensor Posted August 12 Posted August 12 Giving land to the aggressor. Great way to prevent future invasions from Putin. Best plan ever.👌 1
B-Man Posted August 12 Posted August 12 6 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said: Giving land to the aggressor. Great way to prevent future invasions from Putin. Best plan ever.👌 Difficulty understanding what is happening, AND the long history of the region. But, orange man bad 1
AverageAllensSuspensor Posted August 12 Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Difficulty understanding what is happening, AND the long history of the region. But, orange man bad I think Trump is bad yes. However I think the idea of "land swapping" is worse. I don't care who's idea it is. I do not like the concept of rewarding an aggressive dictator invading a neighbouring country. It creates a difficult predicament. 1
B-Man Posted August 13 Posted August 13 In most cases, wars have negotiated settlements. Territories are exchanged, concessions are made, and a new status quo is established. If you look at European borders today and wind them back over the past two to three centuries, you will immediately notice that the borders shift constantly. Here's a video showing the changes in European borders over the past millennium: I am not suggesting that every invasion and border adjustment be ratified just to stop wars. It's just that you can't fight a war against reality itself, and Russia will retain what was previously Ukrainian territory whenever this war ends. Better sooner than later, because the result will be pretty much the same. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/08/13/thank-you-captain-obvious-n3805752 1
AverageAllensSuspensor Posted August 13 Posted August 13 1 hour ago, B-Man said: In most cases, wars have negotiated settlements. Territories are exchanged, concessions are made, and a new status quo is established. If you look at European borders today and wind them back over the past two to three centuries, you will immediately notice that the borders shift constantly. Here's a video showing the changes in European borders over the past millennium: I am not suggesting that every invasion and border adjustment be ratified just to stop wars. It's just that you can't fight a war against reality itself, and Russia will retain what was previously Ukrainian territory whenever this war ends. Better sooner than later, because the result will be pretty much the same. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/08/13/thank-you-captain-obvious-n3805752 Apart from when Russia (again) annexed Crimea in 2014 when was the last time a Europran country gained territory by being an aggressor? Pre World War II. This might be news for you and Taco; Germany was not awarded territory for being the aggressor in WWII. I do not think a step back to the 19th century is a good step. But each and everyone is allowed their own opinion.
JDHillFan Posted August 13 Posted August 13 4 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said: This might be news for you and Taco; Germany was not awarded territory for being the aggressor in WWII. This might be news to you - Germany lost that war. Do you prefer the killing go on for a while longer?
AverageAllensSuspensor Posted August 13 Posted August 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: This might be news to you - Germany lost that war. Do you prefer the killing go on for a while longer? So let's make sure Russia loses this war? I am glad Hitler was stopped. Putin also need to be stopped. I prefer Putin/Russia to not be encouraged to keep attacking other countries. I live alot closer to Russia then you do. So I understand that the argument is less valuable for alot of Americans. Edited August 13 by AverageAllensSuspensor 1
JDHillFan Posted August 13 Posted August 13 8 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said: So let's make sure Russia loses this war? How?
AverageAllensSuspensor Posted August 13 Posted August 13 17 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: How? I wish a knew how. It is not simple (even though someone said he could stop it in one day). More military aid to Ukraine and more sanctions/pressure on Russia/Putin is a good start. Rewarding Putin and allowing him to keep building the Russian military is nothing but encouragement and a temporary end to an unavoidable future of continued invasions. I am anti-war. I used to think Sweden should invest less in military/defense (we have not been in a war since 1814 vs our beloved little neighbour Noway). I was wrong. Europe has allowed this to happen by not investing enough in military defense. Europe therefore need help to stop Putin. No other nations but the US can offer this help. Well China could but that is never going to happen.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 13 Posted August 13 5 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said: I wish a knew how. It is not simple (even though someone said he could stop it in one day). More military aid to Ukraine and more sanctions/pressure on Russia/Putin is a good start. Rewarding Putin and allowing him to keep building the Russian military is nothing but encouragement and a temporary end to an unavoidable future of continued invasions. I am anti-war. I used to think Sweden should invest less in military/defense (we have not been in a war since 1814 vs our beloved little neighbour Noway). I was wrong. Europe has allowed this to happen by not investing enough in military defense. Europe therefore need help to stop Putin. No other nations but the US can offer this help. Well China could but that is never going to happen. Yes, this is a critical point, and probably why some American voters are cautious about the next step/steps to be taken. And while Trump did suggest he could stop it all day one...seems to me we arrive here because the Europeans were much happier over multiple decades to spend money on croissants, wine and admittedly delicious Swedish fish then they were to save for a rainy day and their own defense infrastructure. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being most idiotic, it sure appears the decades of "Eees not our problem, Monsieur" is a 10 while Trump's comments come in around a 2. And, it's raining. Maybe the best help that we can offer while trying to solve a sh*t ton of our own problems is for a president to negotiate peace between an old, occasional ally/old occasional enemy and Ukraine, a corrupt as a mo'fo country until Joe Biden found the one corrupt guy in the nation and strong-armed him into retirement. I'd hope for more, for a full retreat, recognition that the whole thing was a financial and human disaster and some sort of reparations, but hey--this is Eastern Europe, and they are going to Russia and Ukraine it all out. 1 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted August 14 Posted August 14 5 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Do you prefer the killing go on for a while longer? Nobody outside of Ukraine and Russia actually cares about the killing there. Not Biden, not Trump, certainly not all the bleeding hearts that have popped up since election time. But it has been fun watching all the holier-than-thous harp about stopping the senseless slaughter...when they remember to care about it on the internet.
JDHillFan Posted August 14 Posted August 14 6 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Nobody outside of Ukraine and Russia actually cares about the killing there. Not Biden, not Trump, certainly not all the bleeding hearts that have popped up since election time. But it has been fun watching all the holier-than-thous harp about stopping the senseless slaughter...when they remember to care about it on the internet. An internet war enthusiast such as yourself certainly doesn’t care.
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