Wolfgang Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 22 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: MBS is a bad actor who Trump placates because of money. Politics aside, we used to stand for something in this country. Now, cutting a journalist up with a bone saw is just something that happens, and another journo is cast as nasty or a pig because she dare ask why we whitewash the dismembering of a colleague. Only a fool would move a dead body in one piece... Using a bone saw on the journalist (arms dealer) post mortem is pragmatic... More pieces, easier to lift, and easier on everyone's backs... Was he a friend of yours?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Wolfgang said: Only a fool would move a dead body in one piece... Using a bone saw on the journalist (arms dealer) post mortem is pragmatic... More pieces, easier to lift, and easier on everyone's backs... Was he a friend of yours? The dude who killed the Ukrainian girl sure is a friend of his! 1
JDHillFan Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 11 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: The dude who killed the Ukrainian girl sure is a friend of his! #rapsheet
All_Pro_Bills Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 34 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: MBS is a bad actor who Trump placates because of money. Politics aside, we used to stand for something in this country. Now, cutting a journalist up with a bone saw is just something that happens, and another journo is cast as nasty or a pig because she dare ask why we whitewash the dismembering of a colleague. Its naive to believe that under Trump anything has changed about the US government's approach to the Saudi's. What may have changed is the public's perception of the arrangement. Because anything Trump does requires more inspection, criticism, and scrutiny. It doesn't matter that his predecessors have engaged in the exact same arrangement. The US, under both Republican and Democratic administrations, has supported the Saudi monarchy for over 60 years. Because of oil.
SectionC3 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Its naive to believe that under Trump anything has changed about the US government's approach to the Saudi's. What may have changed is the public's perception of the arrangement. Because anything Trump does requires more inspection, criticism, and scrutiny. It doesn't matter that his predecessors have engaged in the exact same arrangement. The US, under both Republican and Democratic administrations, has supported the Saudi monarchy for over 60 years. Because of oil. Of course there’s fault on Both sides. Biden fist bumped because they were screwing with what ultimately was the price of gas. Trump is kind of doing the same thing, just way more loudly and overtly. Hence the line about grabbing the hand and not first bumping yesterday. What Trump didn’t have to do was whitewash the slaughter of an innocent journalist. We used to stand for something. Maybe we still do. It’s just now greed, corruption, and shamelessness. 1 1
Wolfgang Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Of course there’s fault on Both sides. Biden fist bumped because they were screwing with what ultimately was the price of gas. Trump is kind of doing the same thing, just way more loudly and overtly. Hence the line about grabbing the hand and not first bumping yesterday. What Trump didn’t have to do was whitewash the slaughter of an innocent journalist. We used to stand for something. Maybe we still do. It’s just now greed, corruption, and shamelessness.
sherpa Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Maybe we still do. It’s just now greed, corruption, and shamelessness. Was it greed, corruption or shamelessness when Biden enacted a number of executive orders on his first day that damaged the US energy industry at the drilling, refining and transportation levels, and then, when things got uncomfortably expensive, and polling numbers indicated the US citizens were tired of increasing energy costs to beg the Saudis to increase production. Then, when they told him to pound sand, he asked them to at least delay production reductions until after the mid terms, only to raid the Strategic Oil Reserve for non "strategic" reasons; simply for price. Greed, corruption or simply shameless horrible leadership, or maybe he was already incompetent, which would become undeniably evident soon after. 1
SectionC3 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 7 minutes ago, sherpa said: Was it greed, corruption or shamelessness when Biden enacted a number of executive orders on his first day that damaged the US energy industry at the drilling, refining and transportation levels, and then, when things got uncomfortably expensive, and polling numbers indicated the US citizens were tired of increasing energy costs to beg the Saudis to increase production. Then, when they told him to pound sand, he asked them to at least delay production reductions until after the mid terms, only to raid the Strategic Oil Reserve for non "strategic" reasons; simply for price. Greed, corruption or simply shameless horrible leadership, or maybe he was already incompetent, which would become undeniably evident soon after. No, it wasn’t. It might have been a bad idea. Or it might have been political malpractice not to later explain that Biden drilled more oil than Trump. Or to articulate that we struggle to refine it in this country. But hey, keep taking about the other guy and excusing the present day grift and incompetence.
sherpa Posted 30 minutes ago Posted 30 minutes ago 50 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: No, it wasn’t. It might have been a bad idea. Or it might have been political malpractice not to later explain that Biden drilled more oil than Trump. Or to articulate that we struggle to refine it in this country. But hey, keep taking about the other guy and excusing the present day grift and incompetence. I don't have any disdain for you or anyone else who voices their opinion honestly and objectively. I have an issue with people who are grossly political, or ignorant. You can fill in those names. Biden was the worst president in my lifetime. Worse than Carter, who was second. He kneecapped the Us energy industry, then begged them and the Saudis to bail him out when polls tipped against him Trump is a guy I cannot stand personally, but what he does, ex the juvenile nonsense of name calling, usually makes sense. People post here all the time with no effort of understanding the real issues involved in these decisions. The F-35 program deliveries are way behind schedule. The US Air Force is one half the size that it was during Desert Storm, in no way capable of supporting anywhere near the level of operations they did then. The US Navy cannot support it's carrier commitments, and doesn't have near the aircraft or pilots to do that. The US Congress will not support those commitments, as evidenced by the recent shutdown, which has serious results in defense issues. That was all on Shumer. My point is this. The F-35 backlog re deliveries is very significant. I have no idea how long it will take for the Saudi number to come up and receive airplanes. I also believe, based on my background and understanding, that allying with the Saudis is a smart, efficacious undertaking. Totally desirable to defuse the middle east. What I cannot stand is stupid political hatred being injected into reasonable, smart foreign policy. The Abraham Accord is a potentially very big deal, unimagined 20 years ago. Getting Saudi Arabia onboard would be a very major move in the right direction. 1
SectionC3 Posted 24 minutes ago Posted 24 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: I don't have any disdain for you or anyone else who voices their opinion honestly and objectively. I have an issue with people who are grossly political, or ignorant. You can fill in those names. Biden was the worst president in my lifetime. Worse than Carter, who was second. He kneecapped the Us energy industry, then begged them and the Saudis to bail him out when polls tipped against him Trump is a guy I cannot stand personally, but what he does, ex the juvenile nonsense of name calling, usually makes sense. People post here all the time with no effort of understanding the real issues involved in these decisions. The F-35 program deliveries are way behind schedule. The US Air Force is one half the size that it was during Desert Storm, in no way capable of supporting anywhere near the level of operations they did then. The US Navy cannot support it's carrier commitments, and doesn't have near the aircraft or pilots to do that. The US Congress will not support those commitments, as evidenced by the recent shutdown, which has serious results in defense issues. That was all on Shumer. My point is this. The F-35 backlog re deliveries is very significant. I have no idea how long it will take for the Saudi number to come up and receive airplanes. I also believe, based on my background and understanding, that allying with the Saudis is a smart, efficacious undertaking. Totally desirable to defuse the middle east. What I cannot stand is stupid political hatred being injected into reasonable, smart foreign policy. The Abraham Accord is a potentially very big deal, unimagined 20 years ago. Getting Saudi Arabia onboard would be a very major move in the right direction. 20b for Argentina? Pardons for all j6ers? Economic policy (the worst of his sins, in my view) that significantly shifted the tax burden to the middle class? No focus on inflation? Dumping on the vaccine that he helped establish? Some of what he does makes sense, I grant you that. Hard line on China. I don’t disagree on Abraham and Saudi alliance. I do disagree on approach to Saudis and self sealing with Qatar. Ultimately he’s a friggin mess.
milfandcookies Posted 17 minutes ago Posted 17 minutes ago (edited) 3 hours ago, Wolfgang said: 1) It is funny. 2) I don't have a sister. 3) Why would I go to a synagogue? 4) Why would my sister that doesn't exist need to drive a rental car in a "summer dress"? 5) My father did business in Saudi Arabia. There is a lot of money to be made there. 6) Do you blame all Moslems for 9/11? no I don’t blame all Muslims for 9/11, just the nation responsible. And that nation is Saudi Arabia Edited 16 minutes ago by milfandcookies
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