Joe Ferguson forever Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) On 11/14/2024 at 10:22 PM, Orlando Buffalo said: The fact that you believe every foreign national is illegal is amazing to me. Disney has a ton of foreign nationals working at their hotel and none of them are illegals. For jobs like that there are programs, many of which are poorly run by the fed, but Marriott has a ton of these people also. The illegals are working in jobs that pay cash daily, not large hotels. Expand https://npg.org/press-releases/new-npg-paper-sheds-light-on-hotel-industrys-not-so-secret-reliance-on-illegal-immigration-pr.html “Immigrants make up 31% of the industry’s workforce, although they make up just over 13% of the US population,” Rubenstein writes, offering a nuanced perspective on the employment dynamics within this crucial sector. With nearly 15 million Americans employed in tourism and hospitality, this text invites a critical examination of the hiring tendencies and their broader socioeconomic consequences. https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/issues/undocumented-immigrants/ and while tourism is important this is more: Undocumented immigrants account for 50 percent of all hired field and crop workers, making them essential to the success and continued viability of American farms. you were saying… Edited November 14, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
JDHillFan Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 A passage that is too sane to comprehend for the Redhawks, Roundys, and Tibs of the world: What did you make of Harris’ decision to call Trump a fascist? “I love people that are absolutely going to vote for Trump. They’re not fascists. They’re not those things. I think if you go to the tickle switch, use those kinds of terms, then it’s kind of hard to walk back on those things. That’s kind of a word that really isn’t part of the vernacular for voters. Scolding harder or clutching the pearls harder, that’s never going to work for Democrats.”
dgrochester55 Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) Democrats need to be more moderate and go back to their roots of being in touch with the working class. Simple as that. Celebrities, the squad and big tech executives do not represent the blue collar and white collar workers making 30-100k. Moral issues are less likely to be a concern when a person is working two jobs and living check to check. Traditionally, the democrats have done a better job of getting that but that did not happen this time around. This country has a history of adjusting to the center a few years after the extreme part of a party gains power. This is what happened. Regular people and some newer democrat politicians seem to have gotten this after the election. Unfortunately for those on the left, , the establishment politicians, celebrities and children in university bubbles have not understood this yet and they are the most vocal on social media. Edited November 14, 2024 by dgrochester55 1
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 On 11/8/2024 at 5:25 PM, Tommy Callahan said: Expand 2
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 On 11/14/2024 at 10:26 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: https://npg.org/press-releases/new-npg-paper-sheds-light-on-hotel-industrys-not-so-secret-reliance-on-illegal-immigration-pr.html “Immigrants make up 31% of the industry’s workforce, although they make up just over 13% of the US population,” Rubenstein writes, offering a nuanced perspective on the employment dynamics within this crucial sector. With nearly 15 million Americans employed in tourism and hospitality, this text invites a critical examination of the hiring tendencies and their broader socioeconomic consequences. https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/issues/undocumented-immigrants/ and while tourism is important this is more: Undocumented immigrants account for 50 percent of all hired field and crop workers, making them essential to the success and continued viability of American farms. you were saying… Expand Is anything you wrote contradicting what I said or are you just showing you learned something from me? 1 1
Niagara Bill Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 On 11/14/2024 at 9:33 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Umm, they won’t get enough Americans to do the jobs for minimum wage. And yes, there are many migrant workers in many undesirable jobs working for far less than any American would. Meanwhile, they pay SS and Medicare taxes without benefiting. Still watching. But yes, we’ll certainly go there again. Whether permanently or not is the issue. And most of the housekeepers at the hotels I’ve stayed at are recent immigrants based on their grasp of English. I never asked for their proof of citizenship nor do I expect their employers did. Expand Without the immigrants then wages would go up,to attract workers or employers could apply for workers imported legally. Many do in the farming business. It is honorable work, deserving of a decent wage. 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 On 11/14/2024 at 9:33 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Umm, they won’t get enough Americans to do the jobs for minimum wage. And yes, there are many migrant workers in many undesirable jobs working for far less than any American would. Meanwhile, they pay SS and Medicare taxes without benefiting. Still watching. But yes, we’ll certainly go there again. Whether permanently or not is the issue. And most of the housekeepers at the hotels I’ve stayed at are recent immigrants based on their grasp of English. I never asked for their proof of citizenship nor do I expect their employers did. Expand Answer my first question please.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 (edited) On 11/14/2024 at 10:52 PM, Orlando Buffalo said: Is anything you wrote contradicting what I said or are you just showing you learned something from me? Expand Umm, 31% of hotel workers are illegal immigrants. Are you thinking that doesn’t include national chains? Post a link proving your point and stop being ignorant. “The illegals are working in jobs that pay cash daily, not large hotels.” On 11/14/2024 at 11:07 PM, Niagara Bill said: Without the immigrants then wages would go up,to attract workers or employers could apply for workers imported legally. Many do in the farming business. It is honorable work, deserving of a decent wage. Expand Maybe but guess what happens to prices. Personally, I’m ok with that but I’m not among the 52% complaining bitterly about prices. On 11/14/2024 at 11:23 PM, B-Man said: Reminds me of an old Democrat Party saying. “ If you do that, who is going to pick our cotton? “ Expand Yes, illegal immigrants are just like slaves. Btw, walked by the old slave market today. Amazing that was happening less than 175 years ago. Shameful time in our history. Do u agree? Edited November 15, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
JDHillFan Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 On 11/15/2024 at 12:23 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Yes, illegal immigrants are just like slaves. Btw, walked by the old slave market today. Amazing that was happening less than 100 years ago. Shameful time in our history. Do u agree? Expand Less than 100 years ago? 🤦🏻🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♀️ 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 On 11/14/2024 at 11:24 PM, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Answer my first question please. Expand I did. Guess you don’t like my answer On 11/14/2024 at 10:29 PM, Biden is Mentally Fit said: A passage that is too sane to comprehend for the Redhawks, Roundys, and Tibs of the world: What did you make of Harris’ decision to call Trump a fascist? “I love people that are absolutely going to vote for Trump. They’re not fascists. They’re not those things. I think if you go to the tickle switch, use those kinds of terms, then it’s kind of hard to walk back on those things. That’s kind of a word that really isn’t part of the vernacular for voters. Scolding harder or clutching the pearls harder, that’s never going to work for Democrats.” Expand Newsflash: trump is 78
JDHillFan Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 On 11/15/2024 at 12:32 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: I did. Guess you don’t like my answer Newsflash: trump is 78 Expand You are such a douche. Nice edit to 175 years from 100. You aren’t good at math though so why don’t we let it slide. the key point from Fetterman that will forever escape you: “Scolding harder or clutching the pearls harder, that’s never going to work for Democrats.” 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 On 11/15/2024 at 12:53 AM, K D said: Expand No, trump is much too far right.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 On 11/15/2024 at 12:23 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Umm, 31% of hotel workers are illegal immigrants. Are you thinking that doesn’t include national chains? Post a link proving your point and stop being ignorant. “The illegals are working in jobs that pay cash daily, not large hotels.” Expand 60% of hotels in USA are owned by chains, that leaves 40% are not. I did look into some more and apparently the liberal cities do allow the chains to hire illegals without punishment. I was wrong about that, I will state that until 2012 hotels would not hire illegals due to punishment but that has definitely changed. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 (edited) On 11/15/2024 at 1:43 AM, Orlando Buffalo said: 60% of hotels in USA are owned by chains, that leaves 40% are not. I did look into some more and apparently the liberal cities do allow the chains to hire illegals without punishment. I was wrong about that, I will state that until 2012 hotels would not hire illegals due to punishment but that has definitely changed. Expand You are a strange little man. Looky what jobs were #3 for illegals in Fla https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/nearly-400-000-undocumented-immigrants-work-in-six-key-statewide-industries-study-says. Perhaps the new law accounts for some of the high cost of living in Fla? Pls link the 2012 reference. Edited November 15, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
dgrochester55 Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 On 11/15/2024 at 12:32 AM, Biden is Mentally Fit said: Less than 100 years ago? 🤦🏻🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♀️ Expand I replied to them a few days ago after a strange take on the election asking if they were in a parallel universe because the comment was so far off. Maybe I was on to something. Maybe he is in a parallel universe where slavery ended in the late 1920's.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 On 11/15/2024 at 1:51 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: You are a strange little man. Looky what jobs were #3 for illegals in Fla https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/nearly-400-000-undocumented-immigrants-work-in-six-key-statewide-industries-study-says. Perhaps the new law accounts for some of the high cost of living in Fla? Pls link the 2012 reference. Expand You link to an article that literally was wrong about everything as far as the impact of the new law last year but I should simply trust the premise? As for why I picked 2012 is I traveled around the country until 2013 and I had enough contact with general managers for Marriott hotels who told me they could not compete on the dirt cheap rates of lesser motels because they could not hire the illegals who work on daily pay. This was a general manager outside Chicago and one outside Atlanta. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 (edited) On 11/15/2024 at 2:11 AM, dgrochester55 said: I replied to them a few days ago after a strange take on the election asking if they were in a parallel universe because the comment was so far off. Maybe I was on to something. Maybe he is in a parallel universe where slavery ended in the late 1920's. Expand Nah, I’m in a hotel in a fairly conservative city with immigrants ( some likely illegal) after a nice day roaming around. We ate in nice restaurants so the staff was mostly American although we didn’t go back in the kitchens. Couldn’t bring ourselves to visit the slave market. But you be you. I bet you’d be interested but not want it in textbooks. On 11/15/2024 at 2:39 AM, Orlando Buffalo said: You link to an article that literally was wrong about everything as far as the impact of the new law last year but I should simply trust the premise? As for why I picked 2012 is I traveled around the country until 2013 and I had enough contact with general managers for Marriott hotels who told me they could not compete on the dirt cheap rates of lesser motels because they could not hire the illegals who work on daily pay. This was a general manager outside Chicago and one outside Atlanta. Expand Oh, well that settles lt! Link to what the article was wrong about. Was hospitality not #3? A general manager you say… seems something there is causing inflation worse than the remainder of the country https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/state/2024/04/10/florida-inflation-highest-rate-rise/73272034007/#:~:text=Florida's inflation rate nearly 4%%2C highest in nation&text=On a monthly basis%2C costs,of 9.1% in June 2022. Edited November 15, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
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