Turn Down The Temperature: Unity With The Demoralized Left? NOT HAPPENING

[JDHillFan]

Just now, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

Great now I have to move…

Sorry. A bot told me. 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Dr mantis toboggan 

Who?!?!

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

10 minutes ago, boyst said:

Who?!?!

I just pop in and out from time to time, I’m not a regular or anything… sorry to burst your guys’ bubble as being some board regular using a burner.

 

Just some rando who’s tired of seeing people gunned down.

 

I really thought the Las Vegas mass shooting was going to be a turning point for this country to wake up. Then I was certain Uvalde would… Now I know nothing will.
 

To be fair, there’s lots of conservative policies I do agree with.

I think these bail reform catch and release programs are joke, along with defunding LE.

I believe in states rights over big government.

I feel there should be tighter abortion laws.

But I also feel gun laws need reforms along with a huge investment in mental health care in this country.  At the very least on the state level.

However you can’t sit here and complain that these mass shootings or trans everything is all mental health issues but then not address the mental health epidemic facing the nation.

Reforming gun laws doesn’t mean revoking 2A but the gun lobby will never let you think otherwise.

Edited September 16 by Delete_Delete_Delete

[JFKjr]

30 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

I just legit don’t understand why you all care so much.

 

Im not sitting here posting every terrible stupid thing Ann Coulter or Steve Bannon has ever said. I just don’t care.

 

 

 

 

It's the "cheering a murder" thing that's problematic, not "every stupid thing" anyone has said.

 

You sure are here bloviating a lot about what you "don't care" about.

 

I care, thus, I am here.

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

I just pop in and out from time to time, I’m not a regular or anything… sorry to burst your guys’ bubble as being some board regular using a burner.

 

Just some rando who’s tired of seeing people gunned down.

 

I really thought the Las Vegas mass shooting was going to be a turning point for this country to wake up. Then I was certain Uvalde would… Now I know nothing will.
 

To be fair, there’s lots of conservative policies I do agree with.

I think these bail reform catch and release programs are joke, along with defunding LE.

I believe in states rights over big government.

I feel there should be tighter abortion laws.

But I also feel gun laws need reforms along with a huge investment in mental health care in this country.  At the very least on the state level.

However you can’t sit here and complain that these mass shootings or trans everything is all mental health issues but then not address the mental health epidemic facing the nation.

Reforming gun laws doesn’t mean revoking 2A but the gun lobby will never let you think otherwise.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Sadly we're not even in the worst of times for American politics and violence. But, you know most people are stupid and think this is the worst of times so here we are 

 

 

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

Just now, JFKjr said:

 

It's the "cheering a murder" thing that's problematic, not "every stupid thing" anyone has said.

 

You sure are here bloviating a lot about what you "don't care" about.

 

I care, thus, I am here.

I care about kids, about ending mass shootings and senseless gun violence in this country. I happened to ventured over here and was shocked to see the rhetoric, and my big mouth couldn’t keep from atleast interjecting my two cents bc I think it’s important for people who seem to have been brainwashed that if you voted for Democrats you are evil...

Not sure how you ever achieve progress when you think people are inherently evil for simply thinking the government should be run differently than you do. 

 

 

 

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

I care about kids, about ending mass shootings and senseless gun violence in this country. I happened to ventured over here and was shocked to see the rhetoric, and my big mouth couldn’t keep from atleast interjecting my two cents bc I think it’s important for people who seem to have been brainwashed that if you voted for Democrats you are evil...

Not sure how you ever achieve progress when you think people are inherently evil for simply thinking the government should be run differently than you do. 

 

 

 

So now that I'm getting to pay attention to you I don't know if that's good or bad for you 

I guess being concerned about gun violence is great. But a lot of people are concerned about violence overall, and more violence happens with non guns and it does with guns. So, yeah we just call that violence 

 

When you're trying to attack on this gun violence label when you're making it political, whether you intend to or not. But you don't seem like I'm outright fool like half the some of this board so I'm going to guess political statement 

 

And that's too bad. Because when you look at the facts of gun violence you have to look at who the perps are in that case and then you have to have serious conversations about what to do.

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

So now that I'm getting to pay attention to you I don't know if that's good or bad for you 

I guess being concerned about gun violence is great. But a lot of people are concerned about violence overall, and more violence happens with non guns and it does with guns. So, yeah we just call that violence 

 

When you're trying to attack on this gun violence label when you're making it political, whether you intend to or not. But you don't seem like I'm outright fool like half the some of this board so I'm going to guess political statement 

 

And that's too bad. Because when you look at the facts of gun violence you have to look at who the perps are in that case and then you have to have serious conversations about what to do.

Lol, good or bad for me, I love how y’all put yourself up on your own little pedestals like you’re somebody... More murders do not happen without guns. Feel free to look at the murder rate for Canada and Western European countries vs that of the United States…

 

The United States has a significantly higher murder rate than the European Union; while the US has an average homicide rate of around 6.8 to 7.1 per 100,000 people (as of 2023/2024), the EU's intentional homicide rate was 4.1 per one million women and the overall rate is much lower than the US, at less than 2 per 100,000 people, according to some data from the early 2020s. 

 

Last I checked they still have all the same sharp pointy things we do… but you expect me to believe that the murder rate would stay the same if we implemented similar laws, because? Serious conversations about what to do? Oh you’re making it a Race issue? I see, you want to go back to “40 acres and a mule” or “manifest destiny”? 
 

 

*Don't worry, I have actual things to do, you guys can have your little echo chamber back*

 

Edited September 16 by Delete_Delete_Delete

[JFKjr]

3 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

I care about kids, about ending mass shootings and senseless gun violence in this country. I happened to ventured over here and was shocked to see the rhetoric, and my big mouth couldn’t keep from atleast interjecting my two cents bc I think it’s important for people who seem to have been brainwashed that if you voted for Democrats you are evil...

Not sure how you ever achieve progress when you think people are inherently evil for simply thinking the government should be run differently than you do. 

 

 

 

 

It's unfortunate that the leftwing news media feels very comfortable calling the opposing presidential candidate everything from fascist to Hitler to Nazi. 

 

And it is WE who have been 'brainwashed to think if you voted for Democrats you are evil?" I don't think that at all. I think there's a brainwashed SUBSET of them who do things like: call Trump supporters fascists, cheer Charlie Kirk's murder, cheer Luigi Mangione's killing of a healthcare executive, etc.

 

That's obviously a much smaller number of people. But I guess you want to project what the Left actually thinks of conservatives and Trump supporters. I was just out with a bunch of friends who voted for Kamala and hate Trump. None of them cheered Charlie Kirk's murder.

 

But here's your news media sampling of hateful rhetoric:

 

 

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

Just now, JFKjr said:

 

It's unfortunate that the leftwing news media feels very comfortable calling the opposing presidential candidate everything from fascist to Hitler to Nazi. 

 

And it is WE who have been 'brainwashed to think if you voted for Democrats you are evil?" I don't think that at all. I think there's a brainwashed SUBSET of them who do things like: call Trump supporters fascists, cheer Charlie Kirk's murder, cheer Luigi Mangione's killing of a healthcare executive, etc.

 

That's obviously a much smaller number of people. But I guess you want to project what the Left actually thinks of conservatives and Trump supporters. I was just out with a bunch of friends who voted for Kamala and hate Trump. None of them cheered Charlie Kirk's murder.

 

But here's your news media sampling of hateful rhetoric:

 

 

It’s unfortunate that you guys click on it all and get so riled up. It’s called click bait. Say controversial stuff, get ratings, this isn’t new, and this isn’t news. I don’t watch or consume any of it. Guess what would happen if everybody did that? Just click it off, and don’t click on all the articles and videos… These companies are all in the business of making money, controversy gets ratings.

 

If the news was “Today’s top story, everybody is still getting along just fine”, who would watch???

 

Youre letting them brainwash you into believing this is how the overwhelming majority of Americans think.

[JFKjr]

1 minute ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

It’s unfortunate that you guys click on it all and get so riled up. It’s called click bait. Say controversial stuff, get ratings, this isn’t new, and this isn’t news. I don’t watch or consume any of it. Guess what would happen if everybody did that? Just click it off, and don’t click on all the articles and videos… These companies are all in the business of making money, controversy gets ratings.

 

If the news was “Today’s top story, everybody is still getting along just fine”, who would watch???

 

Youre letting them brainwash you into believing this is how the overwhelming majority of Americans think.

 

I don't watch MSNBC. I didn't click on it, I'm passing it on to you since you think the right is convinced "all Democratic voters are evil." (who said that?)

 

I understand how the news media works, however obviously a lot of Lefties buy into the rhetoric, because they feel very comfortable CELEBRATING A MURDER ONLINE through social media posts. My theory on why this happens is the news media does very similar every damn day with their fascist/Nazi/Hitler rhetoric, with no apparent repercussions.

 

So Lefties get on social media and do similar, and they are shocked, SHOCKED, that they're getting pushback.

 

I don't think "the overwhelming majority" of Americans thinks that way.

 

Some obviously do.

 

I'm not being brainwashed by something I'm not watching. 

[Andy1]

11 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

I just pop in and out from time to time, I’m not a regular or anything… sorry to burst your guys’ bubble as being some board regular using a burner.

 

Just some rando who’s tired of seeing people gunned down.

 

I really thought the Las Vegas mass shooting was going to be a turning point for this country to wake up. Then I was certain Uvalde would… Now I know nothing will.
 

To be fair, there’s lots of conservative policies I do agree with.

I think these bail reform catch and release programs are joke, along with defunding LE.

I believe in states rights over big government.

I feel there should be tighter abortion laws.

But I also feel gun laws need reforms along with a huge investment in mental health care in this country.  At the very least on the state level.

However you can’t sit here and complain that these mass shootings or trans everything is all mental health issues but then not address the mental health epidemic facing the nation.

Reforming gun laws doesn’t mean revoking 2A but the gun lobby will never let you think otherwise.

If Sandy Hook didn’t wake up the country to gun violence, nothing will. Charlie is added to the body pile for the preservation of the near absolute right to shoot whatever you want to. We have been told more guns makes us safer. Utah is the most gunny state there is and it didn’t matter. There isn’t even a peep of discussion on universal background checks on gun purchases, that 80% of Americans support. Everyone knows mental health is an issue. Everyone knows the toxic lies and hate on the internet is a problem, but there is no legislation to increase liability of the tech companies. Until something changes, nothing will change. 

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

3 hours ago, JFKjr said:

 

I don't watch MSNBC. I didn't click on it, I'm passing it on to you since you think the right is convinced "all Democratic voters are evil." (who said that?)

 

I understand how the news media works, however obviously a lot of Lefties buy into the rhetoric, because they feel very comfortable CELEBRATING A MURDER ONLINE through social media posts. My theory on why this happens is the news media does very similar every damn day with their fascist/Nazi/Hitler rhetoric, with no apparent repercussions.

 

So Lefties get on social media and do similar, and they are shocked, SHOCKED, that they're getting pushback.

 

I don't think "the overwhelming majority" of Americans thinks that way.

 

Some obviously do.

 

I'm not being brainwashed by something I'm not watching. 

Well building inhumane detainment camps in the middle of the Everglades definitely carried certain connotations that didn’t need any spinning from any media. Atleast that was my very first thought when I saw the camps.

 

Forget the Nazi stuff, it’s way too similar to the inhumane Japanese internment camps that are one of many black eyes on American history.

 

Call me a traditionalist, but I’m a fan of what I believed America stood for when I was child, that this was a cultural melting pot. THE Land of Opportunity - "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" it doesn’t come with the caveat of “providing you have the proper documentation of course”.

 

The people stuck on “well then come here legally” A- have zero familiarity with the conditions of “developing nations”, and the ones coming here are the poorest amongst those.  You want to weed out the Chinese nationals infiltrating the borders, by all means, but don’t turn away the families, and women & children just looking for what they thought America stood for. B- How does one do it legally when they are illiterate, with little or no internet access, and there is most often no consulate to help them through the process? All most of them are doing is trying to give their kids a chance.
 

Not with your tax dollars, right? Cool, well stop building bombs with mine, reallocate all my tax dollars to the starving kids fighting for a chance to just live…

Edited September 17 by Delete_Delete_Delete

[BillsFanNC]

These all seem like reasonable people. Let's sit down and find some common ground. 

 

 

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

Lol, good or bad for me, I love how y’all put yourself up on your own little pedestals like you’re somebody... More murders do not happen without guns. Feel free to look at the murder rate for Canada and Western European countries vs that of the United States…

 

The United States has a significantly higher murder rate than the European Union; while the US has an average homicide rate of around 6.8 to 7.1 per 100,000 people (as of 2023/2024), the EU's intentional homicide rate was 4.1 per one million women and the overall rate is much lower than the US, at less than 2 per 100,000 people, according to some data from the early 2020s. 

 

Last I checked they still have all the same sharp pointy things we do… but you expect me to believe that the murder rate would stay the same if we implemented similar laws, because? Serious conversations about what to do? Oh you’re making it a Race issue? I see, you want to go back to “40 acres and a mule” or “manifest destiny”? 
 

 

*Don't worry, I have actual things to do, you guys can have your little echo chamber back*

 

Murders or homicides?

 

Anywho, beside the point. You said violence to begin now you want to focus on gun violence than compare us to ***** holes that take their people's rights. Our right to own a firearm is the 2nd amendment as you likely know. I'd imagine you're still in high school... So maybe you are not there yet.

 

Anywhoodles take our certain cities and see what the US has in gun homicides and violence?  Want to go even further, take out a few demographics and see why and who carries the water on that gun thing.

 

 

Also, anyone here will you i hardly fit the echo chamber lol

 

Sorry princess

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Murders or homicides?

 

Anywho, beside the point. You said violence to begin now you want to focus on gun violence than compare us to ***** holes that take their people's rights. Our right to own a firearm is the 2nd amendment as you likely know. I'd imagine you're still in high school... So maybe you are not there yet.

 

Anywhoodles take our certain cities and see what the US has in gun homicides and violence?  Want to go even further, take out a few demographics and see why and who carries the water on that gun thing.

 

 

Also, anyone here will you i hardly fit the echo chamber lol

 

Sorry princess

Yeah, you got it, totally highschool. In fact, I’ll bring your response in to English class tomorrow so we can dissect exactly what went wrong with your response, and see if we can’t find a coherent sentence, or any legitimate talking points nestled somewhere in there.

I’ll try and work with what I got here. I’m assuming you meant take OUT certain US cities, and you see, problem is that’s not how it works. Those cities are in fact PART of the United States, you can’t just pick the parts out you don’t like and say “well that doesn’t count”, that’s moving the goal posts, friend.
 

You try and distract with semantics - Murder, homicide, violence, gun violence; how about “D. all of the above”, is that better? The United States is an extremely violent country with an excess number of all violent crimes, including, but not limited to homicide and murder, AND the rates of these crimes are far higher than their Canadian and European counterparts.
 

Take out certain demographics? Take out how? Like how we “took out” the 95% of the indigenous populations with our westward expansion, and along with way almost wiped the American Buffalo off the face of the earth?
Or do you mean not include certain demographics who were still subject to segregation in the lifetime of some board members here? Certain demographics who in certain areas of the country were not allowed to read or write for centuries, and then were given “freedom” to own nothing, to work nowhere, and live in abject poverty? Maybe tomorrow in school they’ll teach us about “nurture vs nature”, and then I can give you the cliff notes.

Edited September 17 by Delete_Delete_Delete

[Tommy Callahan]

The people saying unity are also sounding like they want everyone not in their corporate liberal dogma, in camps.   It's a script.  

 

Like the loyalist of old. Hating the actual patriots.    

 

They are at that point.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 hours ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

some board regular using a burner.

pls explain how that works.  asking for a friend...

[Big Blitz]

 

[Andy1]

56 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I don’t agree with Kirk but I do agree with Scott here. There should be freedom of speech but also accountability for those words if your employer feels it reflects poorly on their business. Some idiots have said stupid horrible things. Hate speech is legally protected, but it doesn’t mean you get to keep your job. There needs to be more accountability for hate speech and actions by people on both sides of politics. There was lots of joking from the right about the attack on Paul Polosi when that horrible attempted murder happened and the right seemed fine with that. I don’t see any Dem politicians or other party leaders celebrating this murder. Idiots will be idiots.