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11 minutes ago, daz28 said:

AF: "Seeking to brand itself as a mainstream organization, America First struggled with the problem of anti-Semitism of some of its leaders and many of its members", according to the historian Dunn.[6] The group had some Jewish members at the outset: Sears heir and philanthropist Lessing J. Rosenwald was on the national committee; former California congresswoman Florence Prag Kahn was a member; and the first publicity director for the New York chapter was Jewish.[6] However, the automotive pioneer and infamous anti-Semite Henry Ford had joined the national committee at the same time as Rosenwald, which soon led to Rosenwald resigning.[35] In response, America First removed Ford from the national committee and also removed from it Avery Brundage, whose actions at the 1936 Berlin Olympics were associated with anti-Semitism.[6] Attempts by America First to recruit other Jewish people to the national committee found no takers.[35] As Dunn writes, "the problem of anti-Semitism remained; some chapter leaders spewed anti-Semitic accusations, while others invited anti-Semitic speakers to address their members."[6] America First tried to keep some distance between itself and the popular radio priest and fascist sympathizer Father Coughlin.[36]

 

AF: Lindbergh was not the only person advocating for American isolationism based on notions of white supremacy, nor was he unique in suggesting that Jews were the single group most interested in involving the United States in the war in Europe. Anti-Semitic radio preacher Charles Coughlin embraced Lindbergh’s message, and Lindbergh’s public statements would serve as a prime impetus for the creation of the America First Committee in 1940. The group, which boasted a membership of 800,000, opposed American aid to the Allies and counted Lindbergh as its most prominent spokesperson.

 

AF: The collapse of the German-American Bund was not the end of the pro-Nazi movement in the United States. The America First Committee, whose spokesperson was Charles Lindbergh, was founded in 1940 to support American isolation and Nazi appeasement. Lindbergh crossed the country to hold rallies that blamed Roosevelt and American Jews for pushing the country closer to war. The America First Committee dissolved once the United States entered World War II.

 

Lindbergh poured particular ire on the Jews. “Jewish groups in this country,” he told the crowd, should realize that in the event of war “they will be among the first to feel its consequences.” Individual Jews, he concluded, presented a unique danger to the United States because of their “large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our Government.” Despite the alleged machinations of these groups, Lindberg reserved hope that they might cease their efforts to push the U.S. toward war. If that could be managed, he said, “I believe there will be little danger of our involvement.”

Lindbergh’s address that night created a huge national controversy. It was covered on Page 2 of the New York Times and in most of the country’s major papers. Letters poured into newsrooms and America First headquarters both supporting and denouncing Lucky Lindy.

 

The Bund reference was to show Doc that not only had Hitler used make Germany great again, but that it even spread over here into make Germany and America great again.  The fact that the Bund only had 25,000 dues paying members doesn't mean that many others followed or supported them.  

 

11 hours ago, daz28 said:

You may not be aware of what the history of America first was, but it was a group of 1 million American Nazis

I am open to learning. Can you provide a link to anything that ties “America First” to a group of 1 million American nazis? 
 

It’s now a rhetorical question. Just another instance of you pretending to know something. The “you may not be aware” bit does give it an air of authority however. Nicely done. 
 

And what about Edith?

[daz28]

25 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

 

I am open to learning. Can you provide a link to anything that ties “America First” to a group of 1 million American nazis? 
 

It’s now a rhetorical question. Just another instance of you pretending to know something. The “you may not be aware” bit does give it an air of authority however. Nicely done. 
 

And what about Edith?

You need a better link than their top spokesman Lindbergh?  A guy who literally was given The Commander Cross of the Order of the German Eagle by Hilter, personally pinned by Goring a few weeks before Kristallnacht.  Do you think it's any surprise that after CL gave the speech I quoted before, that it's when AF was the most popular it ever was?  If there were any non-Nazis in that group, they CERTAINLY would have left it after hearing that, and seeing what was happening to Jews in Germany.  Some of those "good people" were AT BEST Nazi simps.  So we have 850k in America First, 25k in the Bund, which is $875k ACTUAL MEMBERS of Nazi movements.  I imagine they had a few friends, who weren't actual card-carrying members, which would take us easily over 1M.  

[phypon]

9 minutes ago, daz28 said:

You need a better link than their top spokesman Lindbergh?  A guy who literally was given The Commander Cross of the Order of the German Eagle by Hilter, personally pinned by Goring a few weeks before Kristallnacht.  Do you think it's any surprise that after CL gave the speech I quoted before, that it's when AF was the most popular it ever was?  If there were any non-Nazis in that group, they CERTAINLY would have left it after hearing that, and seeing what was happening to Jews in Germany.  Some of those "good people" were AT BEST Nazi simps.  So we have 850k in America First, 25k in the Bund, which is $875k ACTUAL MEMBERS of Nazi movements.  I imagine they had a few friends, who weren't actual card-carrying members, which would take us easily over 1M.  

I guess you never heard of the Declaration of Independence or the Monroe Doctrine.  But, hey, keep doing your best to sling the word "Nazi" around.  It's clearly your last resort after calling everyone a "racist".  Your garbage isn't working anymore.  

 

If you want to talk about history, yes, there was a Nazi influence in this country as well as a communist influence in this country (which I believe still persists).  If you don't want to make America great or put America first then maybe YOU are the Nazi.  

[JDHillFan]

6 hours ago, daz28 said:

You need a better link than their top spokesman Lindbergh?  A guy who literally was given The Commander Cross of the Order of the German Eagle by Hilter, personally pinned by Goring a few weeks before Kristallnacht.  Do you think it's any surprise that after CL gave the speech I quoted before, that it's when AF was the most popular it ever was?  If there were any non-Nazis in that group, they CERTAINLY would have left it after hearing that, and seeing what was happening to Jews in Germany.  Some of those "good people" were AT BEST Nazi simps.  So we have 850k in America First, 25k in the Bund, which is $875k ACTUAL MEMBERS of Nazi movements.  I imagine they had a few friends, who weren't actual card-carrying members, which would take us easily over 1M.  

Historian Susan Dunn has concluded that, "Though most of its members were probably patriotic, well-meaning, and honest in their efforts, the AFC would never be able to purge itself of the taint of anti-Semitism."[6]

 

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On 5/24/2024 at 8:09 AM, JDHillFan said:

Historian Susan Dunn has concluded that, "Though most of its members were probably patriotic, well-meaning, and honest in their efforts, the AFC would never be able to purge itself of the taint of anti-Semitism."[6]

 

Historian Daz28 has concluded there was a group of 1 million American NAZIS!! 🤦🏽🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♂️

When Lindberg gave his speech blaming Jews for everything, and Germany was openly doing horrible things to Jews, that might have been a good time to separate from the group.  Did they? No, they became even more popular.  They clearly had moved on from just an isolationist group at that time. 

[daz28]

On 5/24/2024 at 1:34 AM, phypon said:

I guess you never heard of the Declaration of Independence or the Monroe Doctrine.  But, hey, keep doing your best to sling the word "Nazi" around.  It's clearly your last resort after calling everyone a "racist".  Your garbage isn't working anymore.  

 

If you want to talk about history, yes, there was a Nazi influence in this country as well as a communist influence in this country (which I believe still persists).  If you don't want to make America great or put America first then maybe YOU are the Nazi.  

Calling everyone racist?  I don't think so.  Calling some people who are openly anti-LGBTQ bigots?  Guilty as charged.  Yes, there were both Nazi and communist influences.  A lot of people on here won't accept that fact that there were Nazis(or Nazi simps-just as bad), unless they were riding a panther into the Ardennes under the Waffen SS Death head banner.  

[JDHillFan]

25 minutes ago, daz28 said:

When Lindberg gave his speech blaming Jews for everything, and Germany was openly doing horrible things to Jews, that might have been a good time to separate from the group.  Did they? No, they became even more popular.  They clearly had moved on from just an isolationist group at that time. 

one MILLION American nazis

 

keep digging 

[daz28]

3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

one MILLION American nazis

 

keep digging 

Would it be better if we called them antisemitic American Nazi sympathizers?  Have you come up with a way to explain why the group got larger the more the antisemitism rhetoric was ramped up?  Any reasoning why the "good people" in the group stuck around after they knew what a horrible direction it was headed in?  850k actual members, so you must be bad at math.  Anyone who remained an isolationist after Hitler was showing that defeating Europe might be a piece of cake, was not just a Nazi, but also un-American.  Did they think that we'd just be good buddies with the Nazis after they conquered everything???  Maybe instead of Israel, we could have just had our across the sea Nazi buddies send us all the Jews, and we could give them Montana or something.  The absolute funniest part of this whole discussion is you guys call EVERYONE commies.  Try to imagine me arguing that I'm in a group, who's spokesperson was personally pinned with highest honors by Stalin and Chairman Moa, but STILL insisting I'm not a commie.  Can you DIG that?   / 

[JDHillFan]

3 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Would it be better if we called them antisemitic American Nazi sympathizers?  Have you come up with a way to explain why the group got larger the more the antisemitism rhetoric was ramped up?  Any reasoning why the "good people" in the group stuck around after they knew what a horrible direction it was headed in?  850k actual members, so you must be bad at math.  Anyone who remained an isolationist after Hitler was showing that defeating Europe might be a piece of cake, was not just a Nazi, but also un-American.  Did they think that we'd just be good buddies with the Nazis after they conquered everything???  Maybe instead of Israel, we could have just had our across the sea Nazi buddies send us all the Jews, and we could give them Montana or something.  The absolute funniest part of this whole discussion is you guys call EVERYONE commies.  Try to imagine me arguing that I'm in a group, whose spokesperson was personally pinned with highest honors by Stalin and Chairman Moa, but STILL insisting I'm not a commie.  Can you DIG that?   / 

A good part of your schtick is to make a ridiculous claim, be completely unwilling to back it up despite having access to the internet, and then spinning and spinning as you are questioned on the original ridiculous claim. I will gladly move along if you can provide a single link where you gleaned the information that “America first is a group of 1 million American nazis”. Should be easy enough, right? 
 

Rhetorical question as such a link does not exist. The only place it exists is in your imagination. 
 

Now, about Edith Bunker and those video games…

[daz28]

26 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

A good part of your schtick is to make a ridiculous claim, be completely unwilling to back it up despite having access to the internet, and then spinning and spinning as you are questioned on the original ridiculous claim. I will gladly move along if you can provide a single link where you gleaned the information that “America first is a group of 1 million American nazis”. Should be easy enough, right? 
 

Rhetorical question as such a link does not exist. The only place it exists is in your imagination. 
 

Now, about Edith Bunker and those video games…

Can you show me one single link where anyone of the nutbars on here gleaned that ONE SINGLE American is a commie or a marxist?  I can show you 10,000 posts where people make that claim, but You'd be awful busy asking them for the proof/evidence wouldn't you?  

 

Again, if Hitler and Goring are pinning you a hero, because you're helping try to spread Nazism in America, you're a Nazi yourself. If you're in the group that hero is speaking to and cheering on, I'd have to assume you're a Nazi simp at best.  If it talks like a Nazi, it's a Nazi.  Otherwise, I'll more than happy for you to stop calling anyone a commie, until you can provide proof of their party affiliation cards.  

[JDHillFan]

9 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Can you show me one single link where anyone of the nutbars on here gleaned that ONE SINGLE American is a commie or a marxist?  I can show you 10,000 posts where people make that claim, but You'd be awful busy asking them for the proof/evidence wouldn't you?  

 

Again, if Hitler and Goring are pinning you a hero, because you're helping try to spread Nazism in America, you're a Nazi yourself. If you're in the group that hero is speaking to and cheering on, I'd have to assume you're a Nazi simp at best.  If it talks like a Nazi, it's a Nazi.  Otherwise, I'll more than happy for you to stop calling anyone a commie, until you can provide proof of their party affiliation cards.  

Your first paragraph here is commonly known as “deflection”. Incredibly weak on your part. 
 

You made a ridiculous statement several days ago, one that you tried to lend an air of authority to with “you may not be aware” that you can’t corroborate with a single reference. That’s on you. 
 

I will donate to the anti-nazi charity of your choice if you can find a post where I call someone a commie. You don’t want to spend a lot of time looking. Would be a waste. 

[daz28]

11 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Your first paragraph here is commonly known as “deflection”. Incredibly weak on your part. 
 

You made a ridiculous statement several days ago, one that you tried to lend an air of authority to with “you may not be aware” that you can’t corroborate with a single reference. That’s on you. 
 

I will donate to the anti-nazi charity of your choice if you can find a post where I call someone a commie. You don’t want to spend a lot of time looking. Would be a waste. 

Have you called anyone out for calling people commies and marxists?  No, why not?  You seem very eager here to claim that people who were STILL behind Lindberg, after he refused to return his medal, when they knew all the awful things that were happening to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis, weren't Nazis.  You're asking me to show you gravity, when you know the best I can possibly do is explain it to you.

 

Will you donate if I can show a post that you liked or agreed with that someone was accused of being a commie?

Edited May 26 by daz28

[JDHillFan]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

Have you called anyone out for calling people commies and marxists?  No, why not?  You seem very eager here to claim that people who were STILL behind Lindberg, after he refused to return his medal, when they knew all the awful things that were happening to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis, weren't Nazis.  You're asking me to show you gravity, when you know the best I can possibly do is explain it to you.

I don’t need you to show me gravity but thank you nonetheless. All I have asked is for you to back up the baseless claim you made. You can’t (there is not a single reference you can cite)and evidently all you have left is “some people listened to Charles Lindbergh”. 
 

Why on earth did you claim that Edith Bunker played video games? 

[daz28]

2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

I don’t need you to show me gravity but thank you nonetheless. All I have asked is for you to back up the baseless claim you made. You can’t (there is not a single reference you can cite)and evidently all you have left is “some people listened to Charles Lindbergh”. 
 

Why on earth did you claim that Edith Bunker played video games? 

What was Lindberg saying, that they were listening to?  Why were they spewing hate at their meetings, and inviting antisemitic guest speakers, but gaining members instead of losing them?  I get it, you want me to show you their Nazi party membership cards.  I can't, but I can show you their America First Committee cards, though.  I can only assume you're going to be a very busy boy on here asking people for proof that Americans are commies and marxists.  Hope you got A LOT of free time.  

 

Because that's what homemakers do, apparently.  Not imo, though.  If you really want info on it, it's in the Butker thread.  

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2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

What was Lindberg saying, that they were listening to?  Why were they spewing hate at their meetings, and inviting antisemitic guest speakers, but gaining members instead of losing them?  I get it, you want me to show you their Nazi party membership cards.  I can't, but I can show you their America First Committee cards, though.  I can only assume you're going to be a very busy boy on here asking people for proof that Americans are commies and marxists.  Hope you got A LOT of free time.  

 

Because that's what homemakers do, apparently.  Not imo, though.  If you really want info on it, it's in the Butker thread.  

Total dumbassery on your part. I don’t care what anyone here calls anyone else. When someone, like you, makes something up and pretends it to be beyond reproach, I like to call them on it. You make it easy. At least you have given up on the 1 million part and made it about Lindbergh. Lindbergh with an h at the end. A historian of your caliber should know that. 
 

You made more sense when you were pretending to know what the Strategic Petroleum Reserve was. 
 

It’s easy to understand why you won’t take the All in the Family bait. Good for you. Hopefully you learn the pointlessness of embellishment. Unlikely, I know. It’s almost as bad as the jackass here that wanted people to think he went to school with Susan Collins. 

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