Cugalabanza Posted September 17 Posted September 17 (edited) 16 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: But it does represent some, and that number seems to be growing. But people commit crimes while simultaneously holding all kinds of beliefs. Correlation is not causality. Many thousands of catholic priests sexually molested young children. We don't extend blame to all Catholics or condemn the entire religion. We hopefully find and eliminate the criminal activity. There isn't anything inherently violent about believing some people can change gender. My fear is that some people make the connection that all of a group of people are guilty of something they are not guilty of. And the result is that they become vulnerable to violence themselves. Edited September 17 by Cugalabanza
Royale with Cheese Posted September 17 Posted September 17 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Serious question: What is transgender ideology? If a person believes that gender dysphoria is rare but legitimate and that transgender people deserve civil rights the same as anyone else, can't that be considered a reasonable (non-radical) position? Assume that same person simultaneously believes that political violence is wrong and should be condemned. At what point does tolerance of trans people count as an actual ideology? What is the supposed element of indoctrination or accompanying political stance that makes it harmful or extreme or unamerican? I believe that the trans issue is likely being way overstated as an influence on political violence and it does not represent trans people as a whole. It doesn’t represent trans people as a whole. But the radicals are really radical. They have been a part of or directly involved in violence at a high volume the last few years and they are a new movement. Children aren’t even hands off. And we need to stop with this political correctness. These people have mental illnesses. They legitimately dress up like hybrid clowns, some think they are animals and they believe in sexual exploration with anything, including children. No, that’s not hyperbolic. There is a LGBTQ group that is campaigning to add P for pedophile because we should not shame anyone attracted to children. She gave an example, live on the radio, Nigeria’s age of consent is 11….basically they do it we can too. They are Pro Palestine when people from their would kill them. It makes absolutely no sense. Palestine hates them. The radicals in this group hate capitalism, conservatives and Donald Trump so much that they are dangerous. They will be anti all that even if it’s extremely hypocritical….no reasoning with them. They hate capitalism but have IPhones and drive Subarus. Edited September 17 by Royale with Cheese
Cugalabanza Posted September 17 Posted September 17 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It doesn’t represent trans people as a whole. But the radicals are really radical. They have been a part of or directly involved in violence at a high volume the last few years and they are a new movement. Children aren’t even hands off. And we need to stop with this political correctness. These people have mental illnesses. They legitimately dress up like hybrid clowns, some think they are animals and they believe in sexual exploration with anything, including children. No, that’s not hyperbolic. There is a LGBTQ group that is campaigning to add P for pedophile because we should not shame anyone attracted to children. She gave an example, live on the radio, Nigeria’s age of consent is 11….basically they do it we can too. So it sounds like what you are saying is that the transgender ideology is synonymous with support of the trans rights movement, since you think of it all as mental illness. Is that correct? And the correlation with violence is a natural one and inevitable since the fundamental condition involves mental illness? If that's your position, then you are certainly entitled to that. However, I don't think that most conservatives would agree with that. I suspect that they would give a different answer about the ideology and the associated violence. By the way, I definitely believe that the transgender issue and pedophilia are 100% distinct, separate things. Further, I think that by far the greater share of the pedophilia problem is the result of regular straight men.
BillsFanNC Posted September 17 Author Posted September 17 1 hour ago, teef said: i don't think the shooters in either city were down played. i saw everything play out on common media. there didn't seem to be any question who they were to me at least. They hid the story about the trans Nashville shooter and the manifesto for over a year from mainstream reporting. The manifesto first broke on X well before that time and told of a deeply disturbed person suffering from mental illness heavily associated with trans issues. https://x.com/scrowder/status/1830975632836309200 The more recent Minneapolis case you can read entire stories from mainstream outlets where the fact that this "girl" had recently transitioned isn't even mentioned at all. Like this one: https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/south-minneapolis-incident-august-27-2025/ Note this article was last updated on September 1st and in it it still says they aren't sure of a motive. By this time it was well known via X (gasp!) that the shooter had a journal that expressed desire to kill Trump and had regret over going through the transition process. Now again imagine if both these shootings were done in the name of MAGA. What are the chances that every headline in the land would mention that motive 100% of the time? That's right 100%. The news you consume is being curated for you in far worse fashion than what you accuse others of falling prey to. The legacy media will lie to you by omission and pure gaslighting. See the reliable media thread. 1 hour ago, teef said: i also go to eastern universities for continuing ed. i see run of the mill common campuses. maybe we see completely different things through our own lenses. i'm not denying it exists at all, but i think were giving some college kids far too much credit on their political motivations. my head isn't in the sand over it, i just don't feel it's at the point were universities are programing their students in droves. Campuses of course have always been places of protests and flyers about a whole host of issues. The trans flags and protests are a new phenomenon and I just see it a lot, especially so after covid. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 17 Posted September 17 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: So it sounds like what you are saying is that the transgender ideology is synonymous with support of the trans rights movement, since you think of it all as mental illness. Is that correct? And the correlation with violence is a natural one and inevitable since the fundamental condition involves mental illness? If that's your position, then you are certainly entitled to that. However, I don't think that most conservatives would agree with that. I suspect that they would give a different answer about the ideology and the associated violence. By the way, I definitely believe that the transgender issue and pedophilia are 100% distinct, separate things. Further, I think that by far the greater share of the pedophilia problem is the result of regular straight men. You are correct that mostly white men are the issue with pedophilia. But the issue is conservatives want to lock those guys up and throw away the key. This group wants to normalize it. We know why too. They want to be able to have sex with children and not be put in jail. We are allowed to say that is a mental illness. Not all transgender have mental illness. I just said the ones who are radical are very radical and a growing trend. I absolutely think the ones who don’t have any surgery and just want to dress up as women and then say they are women are perverts. They fight to use the womens bathroom is to satisfy that urge. That’s all it is. The ones who want to go see an OBGYN when they haven’t had surgery are perverts. Edited September 17 by Royale with Cheese
BillsFanNC Posted September 17 Author Posted September 17 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Serious question: What is transgender ideology? If a person believes that gender dysphoria is rare but legitimate and that transgender people deserve civil rights the same as anyone else, can't that be considered a reasonable (non-radical) position? Assume that same person simultaneously believes that political violence is wrong and should be condemned. At what point does tolerance of trans people count as an actual ideology? What is the supposed element of indoctrination or accompanying political stance that makes it harmful or extreme or unamerican? I believe that the trans issue is likely being way overstated as an influence on political violence and it does not represent trans people as a whole. Transgender ideology... Teaching it to kids in schools. Encouraging young teens and younger to go on puberty blockers and undergo non reversible life changing surgery. Letting "trans women" compete in sports with biological women and use their locker rooms and bathrooms. You're a bigot and are subject to violent threats and/or real violence if you don't affirm all of the above. Edited September 17 by BillsFanNC 1 1
Cugalabanza Posted September 17 Posted September 17 4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Transgender ideology... Teaching it to kids in schools. Encouraging young teens and younger to go on puberty blockers and undergo non reversible life changing surgery. Letting "trans women" compete in sports with biological women and use their locker rooms and bathrooms. You're a bigot and are subject to violent threats and/or real violence if you don't affirm all of the above. Thanks! That's a good definition. That's what I was looking for. I can appreciate the position. I agree that the "bigotry" card comes out too soon and too often. People who support trans rights tend to feel victimized themselves and they kind of come out swinging with their reactions. So, the entire discussion is already very hot and if you try to have a genuine conversation about any of it, it tends to get confrontational. From what I've seen in public schools (I have a daughter in ninth grade now), I haven't seen anything problematic. Maybe it is in some areas, I don't really know. Kids are aware that trans is a thing. To me it seems fine if the message is: [trans people exist and there's nothing wrong with that]. If there were anything approaching indoctrination, I would have a problem with that. I'm sure there are cases where young people have taken steps to transition and it turned out to be wrong for them. And I'm sure there are doctors out there who are too aggressive about it or who have acted inappropriately. It's hard to know the extent of this stuff because you see stories and lots of commentary, but it's all so supercharged, it's hard to know how much of it has been cherry-picked or how to weed out misinformation. The sports thing I find difficult. I personally think there are probably some cases where trans women should be able to compete, but where do you draw the line? I cannot say. Again, it's something that deserves careful discussion, but that often feels impossible. As soon as you bring it up as a topic, everybody is screaming and accusing the other side of being something inhuman. Anyway, thanks for honestly answering my question and not just attacking me personally or accusing me of pushing a dangerous agenda. 😄 1
JDHillFan Posted September 17 Posted September 17 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Thanks! That's a good definition. That's what I was looking for. I can appreciate the position. I agree that the "bigotry" card comes out too soon and too often. People who support trans rights tend to feel victimized themselves and they kind of come out swinging with their reactions. So, the entire discussion is already very hot and if you try to have a genuine conversation about any of it, it tends to get confrontational. From what I've seen in public schools (I have a daughter in ninth grade now), I haven't seen anything problematic. Maybe it is in some areas, I don't really know. Kids are aware that trans is a thing. To me it seems fine if the message is: [trans people exist and there's nothing wrong with that]. If there were anything approaching indoctrination, I would have a problem with that. I'm sure there are cases where young people have taken steps to transition and it turned out to be wrong for them. And I'm sure there are doctors out there who are too aggressive about it or who have acted inappropriately. It's hard to know the extent of this stuff because you see stories and lots of commentary, but it's all so supercharged, it's hard to know how much of it has been cherry-picked or how to weed out misinformation. The sports thing I find difficult. I personally think there are probably some cases where trans women should be able to compete, but where do you draw the line? I cannot say. Again, it's something that deserves careful discussion, but that often feels impossible. As soon as you bring it up as a topic, everybody is screaming and accusing the other side of being something inhuman. Anyway, thanks for honestly answering my question and not just attacking me personally or accusing me of pushing a dangerous agenda. 😄 Let me first state my position so that there is no guesswork involved. If an adult wants to take a regimen of pharmaceuticals and chop their body up so that they can live as another gender, fire away. Those people should understand there are things about their choice that others should not be required to validate. Things like men playing in women’s sports. It’s unfair and wrong and is an affront to real women (that may be triggering language for some). The idea of allowing or encouraging children to do the same is an abomination against humanity and will eventually be seen as a Goebbels-like evil. Let’s look at well-known actress and leftist Cynthia Nixon for a moment. Here is one of her many pronouncements on trans issues: 'Most importantly, I am here today as the mother of a proud trans man,' Nixon said as the packed crowd in St. Vartan park roared. 'I am here today as the aunt of a proud trans man,' she continued. 'My best friend's kid is trans and my kid's best friend is trans.' There’s not a person alive that believes this to be a normal situation. I personally don’t believe it at all, but many do and many media outlets have trumpeted these brave words. How is Joe/Jane Transperson that just wants to go about their dream ever going to be able to do that with such delusional people as Nixon being ballyhooed? Regarding recent news of trans violence, we aren’t hearing about it because the major media outlets are telling us. Last night on NBC Nightly News they did not address the transitioning roommate in Utah. That actually seems like it’s part of the story. You seem very reasonable. Maybe you can answer a question that nobody else here has been able to answer. The lady below is the Lt Gov for the state Minnesota. What is the point of the knife on her shirt? What message is this lady sending to the citizens of her state? Trans kids should be protected from the adults that would encourage them to irreversibly alter their lives. Sorry for being long winded. Edited September 17 by JDHillFan 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 17 Posted September 17 26 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Thanks! That's a good definition. That's what I was looking for. I can appreciate the position. I agree that the "bigotry" card comes out too soon and too often. People who support trans rights tend to feel victimized themselves and they kind of come out swinging with their reactions. So, the entire discussion is already very hot and if you try to have a genuine conversation about any of it, it tends to get confrontational. From what I've seen in public schools (I have a daughter in ninth grade now), I haven't seen anything problematic. Maybe it is in some areas, I don't really know. Kids are aware that trans is a thing. To me it seems fine if the message is: [trans people exist and there's nothing wrong with that]. If there were anything approaching indoctrination, I would have a problem with that. I'm sure there are cases where young people have taken steps to transition and it turned out to be wrong for them. And I'm sure there are doctors out there who are too aggressive about it or who have acted inappropriately. It's hard to know the extent of this stuff because you see stories and lots of commentary, but it's all so supercharged, it's hard to know how much of it has been cherry-picked or how to weed out misinformation. The sports thing I find difficult. I personally think there are probably some cases where trans women should be able to compete, but where do you draw the line? I cannot say. Again, it's something that deserves careful discussion, but that often feels impossible. As soon as you bring it up as a topic, everybody is screaming and accusing the other side of being something inhuman. Anyway, thanks for honestly answering my question and not just attacking me personally or accusing me of pushing a dangerous agenda. 😄 To the underlined portion, I haven't had that issue with my kid too. But we want is to not have in spread here. If you allow the trend to grow in the select few areas its in now, it will spread. I think the sports need to be separate. I honestly feel bad for these girls who worked their asses off to lose to a male. Just imagine being a Senior and this is your last race? There is a story in California where a guy was able to run a track meeting in both the male and female division in consecutive weeks. That's not right.
JDHillFan Posted September 17 Posted September 17 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: They want to be able to have sex with children and not be put in jail. We are allowed to say that is a mental illness. Hence the Minor Attracted Person garbage. https://safersociety.org/what-should-we-know-about-the-term-minor-attracted-person/ https://clcjbooks.rutgers.edu/books/a-long-dark-shadow-minor-attracted-people-and-their-pursuit-of-dignity/ I don’t believe even the most enthusiastic of LGBTQ2SIA+ allies will buy into the Rutgers link. A sample: Arguably the most stigmatized group in many societies is Minor Attracted Persons (MAPs), or individuals who are attracted to those under the age of 18 years old, including children. In A Long, Dark Shadow, Allyn Walker broaches this controversial topic to provide readers with a better understanding of this group, including misconceptions, identity formation, disclosure, coping strategies, resilience to sexual offending, experiences with help-seeking, and the need for the public to shift their attitudes toward MAPs if we hope to protect children. Hard to believe someone actually thought the bolded part let alone typed it out. “if we hope to protect children”. Good lord.
Royale with Cheese Posted September 17 Posted September 17 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Hence the Minor Attracted Person garbage. https://safersociety.org/what-should-we-know-about-the-term-minor-attracted-person/ https://clcjbooks.rutgers.edu/books/a-long-dark-shadow-minor-attracted-people-and-their-pursuit-of-dignity/ I don’t believe even the most enthusiastic of LGBTQ2SIA+ allies will buy into the Rutgers link. A sample: Arguably the most stigmatized group in many societies is Minor Attracted Persons (MAPs), or individuals who are attracted to those under the age of 18 years old, including children. In A Long, Dark Shadow, Allyn Walker broaches this controversial topic to provide readers with a better understanding of this group, including misconceptions, identity formation, disclosure, coping strategies, resilience to sexual offending, experiences with help-seeking, and the need for the public to shift their attitudes toward MAPs if we hope to protect children. Hard to believe someone actually thought the bolded part let alone typed it out. “if we hope to protect children”. Good lord. Its sick.
Cugalabanza Posted September 18 Posted September 18 2 hours ago, JDHillFan said: You seem very reasonable. Maybe you can answer a question that nobody else here has been able to answer. The lady below is the Lt Gov for the state Minnesota. What is the point of the knife on her shirt? What message is this lady sending to the citizens of her state? Yeah, it seems inflammatory. I’d be ok with the message minus the knife. With the knife it makes it look like you’re looking for a fight. It’s not a crime, but it’s a dick move. People can form their own opinions about it. Similarly, when it was in style for politicians to wear the AR-15 pins, that was a move that raised the temperature and moved away from intelligent discussion. Again, not illegal, just unnecessarily toxic. The context was that people were very raw about school shootings and the gesture went beyond supporting the 2nd amendment. It was intended to rattle.
JDHillFan Posted September 18 Posted September 18 3 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Yeah, it seems inflammatory. I’d be ok with the message minus the knife. With the knife it makes it look like you’re looking for a fight. It’s not a crime, but it’s a dick move. People can form their own opinions about it. Similarly, when it was in style for politicians to wear the AR-15 pins, that was a move that raised the temperature and moved away from intelligent discussion. Again, not illegal, just unnecessarily toxic. The context was that people were very raw about school shootings and the gesture went beyond supporting the 2nd amendment. It was intended to rattle. People can form their own opinions about it but nobody seems to want to offer one. So far your “it’s a dick move” is the closest thing.
Cugalabanza Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: People can form their own opinions about it but nobody seems to want to offer one. So far your “it’s a dick move” is the closest thing. I said it’s a dick move and inflammatory and “looking for a fight.” Will you concede as much about the assault rifle pins?
JDHillFan Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Just now, Cugalabanza said: I said it’s a dick move and inflammatory and “looking for a fight.” Will you concede as much about the assault rifle pins? Sure. They’re idiotic. I’m just wondering what the knife imagery is supposed to convey. Even the trans allies/enthusiasts here are unwilling to hazard a guess.
Cugalabanza Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Just now, JDHillFan said: Sure. They’re idiotic. I’m just wondering what the knife imagery is supposed to convey. Even the trans allies/enthusiasts here are unwilling to hazard a guess. I really don’t know. It seems to be saying that we’re gonna protect these kids even if we have to stab somebody to do it. Right? I mean, it’s hard to escape that being the implication. I don’t think she means stabbing anybody literally. It’s a symbolic/hyperbolic way of saying she won’t back away from the fight.
JDHillFan Posted September 18 Posted September 18 6 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: I really don’t know. It seems to be saying that we’re gonna protect these kids even if we have to stab somebody to do it. Right? I mean, it’s hard to escape that being the implication. I don’t think she means stabbing anybody literally. It’s a symbolic/hyperbolic way of saying she won’t back away from the fight. In my opinion, high ranking government officials implying such and leaving it open to interpretation is the kind of thing that contributes to an increasingly violent trans culture.
B-Man Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Meanwhile, “In an unexpected pivot, Sen. Katie Britt (R-AL) seized on Hirono’s remarks to make a broader argument about gender-based standards — and to advocate preserving sex-based distinctions in areas such as women’s sports:” “Before I begin, I want to thank Sen. Hirono for what she said, acknowledging that there are physical differences between men and women,” Britt said. “I think she was making a case that there should be different standards … and that’s why we continue to say we should have biological men in men’s sports and biological women in women’s sports.” https://archive.is/y8028
JFKjr Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Trans Rights are no different from Furry Rights. It's make believe playacting. Occasionally accompanied by dangerous and life-altering surgeries.
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