Roundybout Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, Precision said: The UAW is toast once Chinese EV's start to penetrate the US market. Shawn's a little late realizing that the administrations EV push is going to eliminate UAW jobs. China’s automakers take the world by storm with electric vehicle push "Chinese electric cars, cheaper than models built elsewhere, are making inroads in Europe, Australia and Southeast Asia. Competitors worry that Chinese brands may eventually dominate the global EV market." "The average price of an EV in China was €31,829 ($34,096) in the first half of 2022, compared with €55,821 ($59,797) in Europe and €63,864 ($68,429) in the United States, the firm said in a report last year." Sure but these companies did it to themselves. They fought EV development and now they’re going to be caught with their pants down. We’re watching creative destruction happen in real-time. It will be up to them to adapt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: So why are they planning on lowering them between three and six times in 2024. cuz they thought they needed to stimulate the economy. Now they're thinking maybe not. it's hot enough. 13 minutes ago, Precision said: The UAW is toast once Chinese EV's start to penetrate the US market. Shawn's a little late realizing that the administrations EV push is going to eliminate UAW jobs. China’s automakers take the world by storm with electric vehicle push "Chinese electric cars, cheaper than models built elsewhere, are making inroads in Europe, Australia and Southeast Asia. Competitors worry that Chinese brands may eventually dominate the global EV market." "The average price of an EV in China was €31,829 ($34,096) in the first half of 2022, compared with €55,821 ($59,797) in Europe and €63,864 ($68,429) in the United States, the firm said in a report last year." it's called capitalism. eat or be eaten... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) State choosing with huge spending isn't close to capitalism free markets Edited January 25 by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 21 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: cuz they thought they needed to stimulate the economy. Now they're thinking maybe not. it's hot enough. it's called capitalism. eat or be eaten... thick tommy vehemently disagrees. So much so that he can't explain his objection! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 45 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Sure but these companies did it to themselves. They fought EV development and now they’re going to be caught with their pants down. We’re watching creative destruction happen in real-time. It will be up to them to adapt. Beyond the wave of 1st adopters, a majority of auto buyers don't want EV's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roundybout Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, All_Pro_Bills said: Beyond the wave of 1st adopters, a majority of auto buyers don't want EV's. I wouldn’t want an early one either due to price or range anxiety, but the technology is improving every single day. I think they’re going to be much more pallatable when you see electric trucks and vans like the electric Microbus that Volkswagen is making. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 20 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Beyond the wave of 1st adopters, a majority of auto buyers don't want EV's. The current mandate is for 50% of NEW vehicles to be zero emissions (x Cali). No one is stopping anyone from driving their new 2030 gas F150 or their 2010 mustang. A majority of Floridians want to be able to buy home insurance and live above water.... 19 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I wouldn’t want an early one either due to price or range anxiety, but the technology is improving every single day. I think they’re going to be much more pallatable when you see electric trucks and vans like the electric Microbus that Volkswagen is making. I drove several recently: Subaru's new EV is awesome. My fav was the Ford e150. But I bought a WRX for fun and a 6 speed. those are already pretty rare and will disappear with EV's. My next car/truck will definitely be electric. Waing to drive the electric outback in a couple years when they come out. Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The current mandate is for 50% of NEW vehicles to be zero emissions (x Cali). No one is stopping anyone from driving their new 2030 gas F150 or their 2010 mustang. A majority of Floridians want to be able to buy home insurance and live above water.... I drove several recently: Subaru's new EV is awesome. My fav was the Ford e150. But I bought a WRX for fun and a 6 speed. those are already pretty rare and will disappear with EV's. My next car/truck will definitely be electric. Waing to drive the electric outback in a couple years when they come out. I do agree and I’m going to run my beloved Honda Fit into the ground. I wouldn’t mind an EV like a Bolt or something, maybe the new electric Beetle that Volkswagen is teasing for the Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 It's just funny reading lefties tell us this crap economy is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Wonder how they will spin how great the economy is, when earning reports start coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I do agree and I’m going to run my beloved Honda Fit into the ground. I wouldn’t mind an EV like a Bolt or something, maybe the new electric Beetle that Volkswagen is teasing for the Super Bowl I would have bit on the F150 lightning. my wife didn't want it. Basically costs nothing to own for 24 month deal. List is $70,000, rebates (state and fed) = 11500. can buy at invoice which is even lower. residual value of the truck in 2 years is 85% list 0r a little under 60k... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 22 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The current mandate is for 50% of NEW vehicles to be zero emissions (x Cali). No one is stopping anyone from driving their new 2030 gas F150 or their 2010 mustang. A majority of Floridians want to be able to buy home insurance and live above water.... At this point the climate change argument is a zero sum game because if you're burning coal and natural gas to produce electricity to power your vehicle fleet in order to avoid burning gasoline to power your vehicle fleet then its just moving the carbon emissions to another point in the delivery system. It just provide a feel-good moment for EV drivers to believe they're doing something positive about the climate. When there's a renewable grid powering the majority EV charging let us know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 20 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Wonder how they will spin how great the economy is, when earning reports start coming out. What? Like IBM's? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2024-01-25/ibm-rallies-most-in-20-years-after-strong-2024-outlook-video 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: At this point the climate change argument is a zero sum game because if you're burning coal and natural gas to produce electricity to power your vehicle fleet in order to avoid burning gasoline to power your vehicle fleet then its just moving the carbon emissions to another point in the delivery system. It just provide a feel-good moment for EV drivers to believe they're doing something positive about the climate. When there's a renewable grid powering the majority EV charging let us know. not what the dept of energy says https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.html Don't you guys ever check facts? guess not. not embarrassed about it either. in the last 2 days, I've disproven "factual" misinformation from 3 of your tribe. why not actually look stuff up? Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: not what the dept of energy says https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.html Its says about 58% of electricity nationally is provided by coal and nat gas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Its says about 58% of electricity nationally is provided by coal and nat gas. no. it says that all electric vehicles emit less than 1/5 the emissions of all gas vehicles taking into account the energy source used to charge them. problems with reading too? "Conventional vehicles with an internal combustion engine (ICE) produce direct emissions through the tailpipe, as well as through evaporation from the vehicle's fuel system and during the fueling process. Conversely, all-electric vehicles produce zero direct emissions. PHEVs produce zero direct emissions when they are in all-electric mode, but they can produce evaporative emissions. When using the ICE, PHEVs produce tailpipe emissions. However, their direct emissions are typically lower than those of comparable conventional vehicles. Well-to-wheel emissions include all emissions related to fuel production, processing, distribution, and use. In the case of gasoline, emissions are produced while extracting petroleum from the earth, refining it, distributing the fuel to stations, and burning it in vehicles. In the case of electricity, most electric power plants produce emissions, and there are additional emissions associated with the extraction, processing, and distribution of the primary energy sources they use for electricity production. Cradle-to-grave emissions include all emissions considered on a well-to-wheel basis as well as vehicle-cycle emissions associated with vehicle and battery manufacturing, recycling, and disposal." Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Its says about 58% of electricity nationally is provided by coal and nat gas. Ya, now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ya, now. these dudes just make shite up and I guess expect no one will check. Bonnie boy was certain that D's voted in the R NH primary. Even doubled down on it. Then when proven wrong, just ignores it. We are fighting a shameless tribe with no honor. Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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