Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: inally started shining a flashlight on the corruption and permanent bureaucracy Are there any elected politicians you find uncorrupted? Do you still vote for the, warts and all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 46 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Are there any elected politicians you find uncorrupted? Do you still vote for the, warts and all? I knew you would get to arguing "degrees of swampiness" on the low end of the spectrum. I worry about the line on the other end of the spectrum. Schiff and Trump both crossed it. You live with what you accept. I live with what I accept. I don't expect you and I to have the same level of tolerance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: Are there any elected politicians you find uncorrupted? Do you still vote for the, warts and all? You guys are all focused on the wrong folks. The elected officials are corrupt for sure, but they’re simply playing within the guidelines established by the entrenched permanent bureaucracy. It’s a symbiotic relationship but corruption, while obviously bad, isn’t the worst of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: You guys are all focused on the wrong folks. The elected officials are corrupt for sure, but they’re simply playing within the guidelines established by the entrenched permanent bureaucracy. It’s a symbiotic relationship but corruption, while obviously bad, isn’t the worst of it. So our system of gov't created by th constitution and amended is deeply flawed? It's not perfect but it's pretty darn good. Edited June 22, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: So our system of gov't created by th constitution and amended is deeply flawed? It's not perfect but it's pretty darn good. It is very fragile Hawk. When the permanent bureaucracy no longer reports to the elected officials, who in turn report to us, it’s game over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 Chuck Schumer: Unelected bureaucrats in the IC will get back at elected leaders if they defy them... That's just how our constitution works! @redtail hawk What a moron. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 44 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It is very fragile Hawk. When the permanent bureaucracy no longer reports to the elected officials, who in turn report to us, it’s game over! yes, I know it's fragile and that's why I'm vehemently anti MAGA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: yes, I know it's fragile and that's why I'm vehemently anti MAGA. Right, because “MAGA” has all the power…🤣🤣🤣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: yes, I know it's fragile and that's why I'm vehemently anti MAGA. So you don’t want to make America great again? You’d rather stick with the mess you just agreed exists now? Sure! That makes a TON of sense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: So you don’t want to make America great again? You’d rather stick with the mess you just agreed exists now? Sure! That makes a TON of sense. Your vision of great is not the same as mine... 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Right, because “MAGA” has all the power…🤣🤣🤣 They're trying to get it...by lying, cheating, threats and violence. The good guys don't align with hate groups. Edited June 23, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Your vision of great is not the same as mine... Obviously. And that’s really a shame. 😉 You’ll find out, eventually, when you’re the last one eaten. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Obviously. And that’s really a shame. 😉 You’ll find out, eventually, when you’re the last one eaten. Wow. First God is going to get me and then I'm going to get eaten. MAGA's power rivals that of the wizard of Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Wow. First God is going to get me and then I'm going to get eaten. MAGA's power rivals that of the wizard of Oz. God? MAGA powers? Now what? Must be late there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, redtail hawk said: Your vision of great is not the same as mine... They're trying to get it...by lying, cheating, threats and violence. The good guys don't align with hate groups. Lying, cheating, violence…🤔 Attempting to criminally frame a presidential candidate and conspiring with federal law enforcement and intelligence to cover it up…Antifa and BLM summer of violence to intimidate people into submission…sounds about right…👍 Are these the “good guys” you’re referring to? Because it seems like an awful lot of hate going on there…😉 Edited June 23, 2023 by JaCrispy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Lying, cheating, violence…🤔 Attempting to criminally frame a presidential candidate and conspiring with federal law enforcement and intelligence to cover it up…Antifa and BLM summer of violence to intimidate people into submission…sounds about right…👍 Are these the “good guys” you’re referring to? Because it seems like an awful lot of hate going on there…😉 has any office holding D or prez called out to either BLM or Antifa to attack the capitol? cuz the proud boys have testified under oath that that's what trump asked them to do. Meanwhile the scuzzy House R's campaign at hate group events. You guys somehow convince yourselves to ignore the obvious or perhaps you like hate groups. It's sad that you put stock in a crooked,, perverse and rag tag movement whose leader is a criminal or soon will be. Edited June 23, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: God? MAGA powers? Now what? Must be late there. yes, I believe Westside threatened me with God's wrath for my political beliefs. My impression is that he's likely a moderate MAGA and probably not prone to insurrection yet still believes that God is on the dark side politically. Edited June 23, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 15 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Chuck Schumer: Unelected bureaucrats in the IC will get back at elected leaders if they defy them... That's just how our constitution works! @redtail hawk What a moron. yeah, everyone is conspiring against the persecuted MAGA's. You're nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yes, I believe Westside threatened me with God's wrath for my political beliefs. My impression is that he's likely a moderate MAGA and probably not prone to insurrection yet still believes that God is on the dark side politically. WTF are you babbling about? I never threatened you. I never called you a nazi, white supremacist. Like you have done. Always the victim right red? Gives you an excuse to villainies me. No, I’m a registered democrat, have been all my life until Hillary ran. Then I got left behind by the party that I used to respect and defend. So now you label me a nazi, kkk member, homophobe. Are you saying that billsy and tibs are on the side you want to be associated with? Do there posts convey messages of hope and love towards fellow Americans and humans? They are some of the nastiest posters I’ve ever seen on PPP and you’re trying to say they are on the side of truth and justice? Don’t let the negativity and hate spewed by both sides change you into something you’re not. Trump, biden, bush, Clinton’s are all crooks and here we are fighting over which one is the worst. And no matter what, you’re guy is so much worse than my guy and vice versa. Change starts within yourself. Become the change you want to see. The same goes with me. Weather your on the left or right we are all humans and Americans. Not sure if tibs is, but if he says he is than I believe him. Lets all be better. Hate is a dark road to go down. Let’s not go there. Edited June 23, 2023 by Westside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Westside said: WTF are you babbling about? I never threatened you. I never called you a nazi, white supremacist. Like you have done. Always the victim right red? Gives you an excuse to villainies me. @redtail hawk speaks only in circles and strawmen? How refreshing. Great to see things have changed since he went on perma-ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Westside said: WTF are you babbling about? I never threatened you. I never called you a nazi, white supremacist. Like you have done. Always the victim right red? Gives you an excuse to villainies me. not a victim and don't intend to become one while it's a MAGA mantra...Although I suppose the insurrectionists thought that they would win or at least be pardoned by trump. dummies. Do you deny that Nazi and white supremacist groups align with trump and MAGA, oh yeah, and Russian dictators? All "very fine people". Why do you think that is? Edited June 23, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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