MrLocke Posted May 10, 2005 Author Share Posted May 10, 2005 I am quite happy to find out he did 10 reps of 225. As far as 8-10 tds I would have to admit that he would be worth a 2nd rounder if he did this most of his career not just for one season By my count Dante Hall had 3 tds last season so the high td season was an exception. As far as the Randle El and Dante Hall comparrisons they have a good 15-20 pounds on Roscoe. Randle El started a fair amount last year. I should have clairified here I have doubts that Roscoe Parrish will ever become a regular starter given his lack of size and hence his lack of ability to shake the jam at the line of scrimmage. Where as Randle El will most likely be a full time starter this year with the departure of Burress. What I am trying to say is and hopefully I am wrong is I think Parrish will never be a full time starter in his career as a WR and I think a second round pick was a high pick to use on someone who will never start in his career. Anyway thank you for your responses, which will give me something more to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marck Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 You have posed some excellent points, however I would like to weigh in with this thought. The 3rd receiver or slot receiver in reality should be considered as a starter. You have to factor in what percentage of the time the Bills line up on offense where they have a three receiver set. The pick is comparable to a nickel corner or a pass rush specialist OLB/DE that is coming into vogue in todays game. The specialist in this era of the NFL needs to looked at in the context of what percentage of plays he is in over the couse of a game/season. When TD drafted Parish he brought him in to play slot receiver in the three WR formations and also as a special teams player for punt returns and maybe kickoff retirns. When you look at the overall workload assigned, and the percentage of times the Bills are in a three wide formation, you will see this is an excellent and economical pick. I realize this pick has been debated to death, however I have been giving it a fair amount of thought over the past couple of days and wanted to weigh in. The more thought I give to this pick the more I dislike it. I think when you select players in the 2nd round generally you are trying to pick starters and I do not think Roscoe Parrish can ever be a starter. I was doing some searching trying to find out his bench and squat numbers and was not successful. I take it that this might be because he did not participate in these drills. I bring these up because I think in order to be even a #2 receiver you must possess the strength to be shake bump & run coverage and I do not think Roscoe will be able to do this. Also every thing I read says he does not have the frame to put on more muscle. Anyway I think unless this team is going to run an Indianapolis Colts type offense and really get the #3 receiver involved in the passing game like the Colts do with Brandon Stokley a 2nd round pick is too high to use on a slot receiver / reteurn man. Terrence Murphy went three picks later to the Packers and I think he would have been a better pick if this team wanted a receiver simply because he might be able to eventually develop into a starter something I do not see Roscoe Parrish being able to do. People have been making the Marvin Harrison comparrison and I hope they are right and that Roscoe will have the size to be a #1 or #2 receiver. Also I will gladly eat crow on this one and hope that Roscoe becomes a great player. I would be quite happy to eat my words. 332584[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Parrish did 10 reps of 225#. The key for him will be to add more weight and strength, and to work on his technique. If he can do that, he'll be fine. 332597[/snapback] 10 reps at 225 while only weighing 168 is quite impressive. At the combine they make sure each rep is legit too. Combine that with Roscoes speed and quickness and we got ourselves one helluva athlete. I think Roscoe is gonna kick ass in the slot this year for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I love the Parrish pick. I don't think we are as weak on the offensive line as everyone thinks. In two years, I think we will look back and thank TD very much for picking Parrish in round 2. Not to mention how thankful we will be for round number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 You can have the best OT in the league, but if your wideouts are Bobby Shaw and Josh Reed, and your QB has cement feet, you're going to set the league sack-allowed record. Even the best Oline can't stop blitzes coming from 8-man fronts. The offense needs to spread those guys out, and the only way to do that is with speed. I'd still like to see the Bills sign Shelton or Walker if they're available after June 1, but those either of those guys will look better if the defense has to back off the coverage due to Evans, Moulds and Parrish. 332676[/snapback] the object is not necessarily to spread them out in a pass happy offense. The object is to make them pay if they blitz. Parrish can take a quick slant on a blitz and turn it into a big gainer. Teams blitzed Bledsoe at will because he never generated a big play to force teh defense to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eventualchamps Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Who's to say Roscoe can't unseat Evans as the #2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCBillsFan Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Who's to say Roscoe can't unseat Evans as the #2? 332837[/snapback] Are you serious??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 First off, the 10 reps of 225# was at his pro day. However I think they're pretty much legit. As for whether he can be a starter, again that remains to be seen. If he puts in the time like Lee did last year, he can learn to avoid the jam; but I also think that in the meantime (while he adds weight, strength, and technique) they'll put him in motion to make that a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Teams blitzed Bledsoe at will because he never generated a big play to force teh defense to change. 332827[/snapback] Now here is the true fact: Bledsoe had a slow setup, made slow decisions, making him ill equipped to run a shorter, quick throwing, or timing passing offense. I always wonder what if Moulds played in a west coast offense, especially 3 years ago what numbers would he put up for I know he has run after the catch ability. But with the QBs we have had they are either too short or too slow mentally to run an effecient passing game with quick slants and similar routes. I think that J Reed would have been productive in such an offense. Let's hope JP can get it done and not have such limitations mentally for we know he has the physical skills but I also said the same of RJ so we will see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 the object is not necessarily to spread them out in a pass happy offense. The object is to make them pay if they blitz. Parrish can take a quick slant on a blitz and turn it into a big gainer. Teams blitzed Bledsoe at will because he never generated a big play to force teh defense to change. 332827[/snapback] Good comments, especially making a defense pay. The questions remain, though -MM's offensive game plan didn't seem notable last year, ercept against po-dunk clubs, and were I a defensive coordinator, I would make it a point to sandwich and heavily ring the bell of the slight Parrish between a set of lb's, safties etc. very early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Good comments, especially making a defense pay. The questions remain, though -MM's offensive game plan didn't seem notable last year, ercept against po-dunk clubs, and were I a defensive coordinator, I would make it a point to sandwich and heavily ring the bell of the slight Parrish between a set of lb's, safties etc. very early on. 332938[/snapback] Easier said than done. If your goal is to pound or sandwich Parrish with extra safeties or LBs, Evans or Moulds will be single covered. And if a DC figures out how to double up Evans and Moulds, while abusing Parrish, then McGahee will have room to run underneath. While Bledsoe was slow to read coverages and planted in the ground, no DC feared Josh Reed catching a ball behind a blitz. That's why TD's move to upgrade the position is a sound one. Again while Bledsoe is Bledsoe, the Bills still didn't have the speed to make defenses pay for blitzing. Evans was a huge improvement, but Parrish gives Mularkey more and better options for attacking defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 like i said, roscoe will be facing the same nickelbacks that aiken or reed would be facing.........he doesn't change the defensive personnel based on his presense in the line-up, so your point that the bills will see more nickel coverages because roscoe is around doesn't add up....... will roscoe push safeties back more then aiken/reed would? i don't think he will intially.......he'll have to prove he can beat the bump of the nickleback (and LB's on crossing routes) before he earns the respect of the safeties in the league.......if the defense can slow him down off the line of scrimmage the threat of him beating a safety deep becomes slimmer and slimmer........if he can beat the bump consistantly AND then beat safeties deep he will begin to garner more attention and defenses will then adjust, but they may well bring the safeties up closer to the box to give him a rougher ride off the line of scrimmage.......like you said, the threat of a screen pass is also there which will also lead to teams playing closer, not farther away, from roscoe, at least until he proves he can beat guys deep...... the bottom line is roscoe needs to prove he can beat the bump before anyone backs off him.......you don't get handed respect in this league without earning it first........ 332690[/snapback] I think the new enforcement of the bump rule will help him a great deal. NO TOUCHING AFTER 5 YDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Parrish did 10 reps of 225#. The key for him will be to add more weight and strength, and to work on his technique. If he can do that, he'll be fine. 332597[/snapback] For his weight that is good. That's more than 98% of american men can do and he's what liek 170? On top of that he's blazing fast according to numerous sources. Size aint everything, look at Aiken... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Playfair Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 First off, the 10 reps of 225# was at his pro day. However I think they're pretty much legit. As for whether he can be a starter, again that remains to be seen. If he puts in the time like Lee did last year, he can learn to avoid the jam; but I also think that in the meantime (while he adds weight, strength, and technique) they'll put him in motion to make that a non-issue. 332872[/snapback] he'll be a slot receiver, so in addition to motion, he is 2 yards off the line, which makes jamming more difficult b/c of his speed and quickness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Steve Smith is 5'9'' and was 184 pounds when he was drafted. Parrish is 5'9'' and was 170 pounds when drafted. Time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 In addition to his strength, I also like RP's vertical leap, which at the outset, can make CB's mis-judge how to play you. His vertical is 38", I believe. After they've seen tape on him, CB's will be better able to play him, but he could be trouble right away. I don't think RP is capable of being a #2, but I do think that he and Evans will cause the safeties to play deeper, which will benefit Moulds and McGahee the most. Those are the playmakers who will be singing RP's praises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Again I don't know if anyone right now can say that Parrish cannot be a #2 WR. I don't know about #1, but I can see him becoming a #2 someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Easier said than done. If your goal is to pound or sandwich Parrish with extra safeties or LBs, Evans or Moulds will be single covered. And if a DC figures out how to double up Evans and Moulds, while abusing Parrish, then McGahee will have room to run underneath. While Bledsoe was slow to read coverages and planted in the ground, no DC feared Josh Reed catching a ball behind a blitz. That's why TD's move to upgrade the position is a sound one. Again while Bledsoe is Bledsoe, the Bills still didn't have the speed to make defenses pay for blitzing. Evans was a huge improvement, but Parrish gives Mularkey more and better options for attacking defenses. 332957[/snapback] I only have to do it once. Parrish will with hope turn out a good pick. But in recent years, The Bills have gravitated more towards the so-called "blocking" tight end. That signals to a degree, that the front 5 aren't so good. While 3 wr sets have usefulness, I wonder about an OL that seems to needs that blocking TE so much. I understand the value of having quick and fast wr's but with cracks in the foundation (the OL), a decent team with a decent defensive coordinator will eventually have their way. The Bill's 9 wins last year came at the expense of some pretty iffy clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Teams should be happy to have 1-2 players from any given draft start at some point in their careers. 332667[/snapback] So that's why the Cardinals have been so good for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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