There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[Boatdrinks]

16 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

Paul Field and others apparently have no idea of how America works, why it came to be, and not even a rudimentary understanding of the economy or the healthcare system. The US has plenty of healthcare capacity for those who contract Coronavirus. So much that it actually sat idle awaiting patients that never arrived; all due to government decree. 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Paul Field and others apparently have no idea of how America works, why it came to be, and not even a rudimentary understanding of the economy or the healthcare system. The US has plenty of healthcare capacity for those who contract Coronavirus. So much that it actually sat idle awaiting patients that never arrived; all due to government decree. 

And why a very good friend of mine who works in ER can’t get a job because we have....you got it. Too much healthcare to give. Basic supply and demand. 

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I'm not twisting, I'm clarifying because your statement was vague. You know who twists things? The government you're admitting to be untrustworthy while also wishing to empower them with the ability to strip away your rights whenever they deem it's in the interests of the public good.

 

 

The "greater good" has no bearing on rights that I was born with. That's the point you're missing.

 

 

You need to do much more learning on who the founders where, what they believed, and why they chose the words they did. The beauty of the document is that it sanctifies these rights regardless of your take on nature/god/or the divine. You are born with rights that did not come from government, but are your birthright. 

I've told you over and over that I'm furious about all our lost rights, but you say I'm not.  I said we should be smart enough to know when to give them up, and strong enough to hold them accountable.  probably the 5th time I've said it, but you gotta be you.  That's twisting.

 

Sometimes the greater good IS actually protecting your rights.  Par example, you're a slave in 1850.  Hard to miss that point

 

The founders are old dead people who would think we are aliens.  They were wordsmiths no doubt, but they, like our politicians today, wrote everything in haste.  The Constitution is not a perfect transcript.  If you want to discuss John Locke we can do that, but he's also still using windows 95.

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I've told you over and over that I'm furious about all our lost rights, but you say I'm not.  I said we should be smart enough to know when to give them up,

 

You realize this is crazy talk, right? You contradict yourself within two sentences. 

 

You're mad about losing rights while arguing we should give them up willingly. You're SUPER confused as to what's happening. 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I've told you over and over that I'm furious about all our lost rights, but you say I'm not.  I said we should be smart enough to know when to give them up, and strong enough to hold them accountable.  probably the 5th time I've said it, but you gotta be you.  That's twisting.

 

Sometimes the greater good IS actually protecting your rights.  Par example, you're a slave in 1850.  Hard to miss that point

 

The founders are old dead people who would think we are aliens.  They were wordsmiths no doubt, but they, like our politicians today, wrote everything in haste.  The Constitution is not a perfect transcript.  If you want to discuss John Locke we can do that, but he's also still using windows 95.

 

 

 

 

Describe a situation when we are smart enough to give them up?

[daz28]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

Describe a situation when we are smart enough to give them up?

I already did, but I'll repost, and it wouldn't take a genius to come up with 20 more just like it pretty quick:

 

"If we know there's a hydrogen bomb somewhere on this block on 5th avenue, we shouldn't have to have any high school dropout Constitutional scholars at their front door saying, "where's your warrant"

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I already did, but I'll repost, and it wouldn't take a genius to come up with 20 more just like it pretty quick:

 

"If we know there's a hydrogen bomb somewhere on this block on 5th avenue, we shouldn't have to have any high school dropout Constitutional scholars at their front door saying, "where's your warrant"

Yes we should. 
 

I’ll wait for your other 19 doozies. 

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I already did, but I'll repost, and it wouldn't take a genius to come up with 20 more just like it pretty quick:

 

"If we know there's a hydrogen bomb somewhere on this block on 5th avenue, we shouldn't have to have any high school dropout Constitutional scholars at their front door saying, "where's your warrant"

 

If you KNOW there's a bomb, getting a warrant should be easy. You should be able to prove it conclusively if you "know", right? 

 

Again, you're arguing for the subversion of the republic. 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

If you KNOW there's a bomb, getting a warrant should be easy. You should be able to prove it conclusively if you "know", right? 

 

Again, you're arguing for the subversion of the republic. 

No I'm arguing for common sense.  get out of the way, and let me defuse the bomb or a lot of us will die.  IOW don't be a dumass just to be a dumass

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, daz28 said:

No I'm arguing for common sense.  get out of the way, and let me defuse the bomb or a lot of us will die.  IOW don't be a dumass just to be a dumass

 

No, you're arguing for the subversion of the rule of law and the republic itself. You're just too dim to see it.

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

If you KNOW there's a bomb, getting a warrant should be easy. You should be able to prove it conclusively if you "know", right? 

 

Again, you're arguing for the subversion of the republic. 

If they can search without a warrant using any reason that reason will be used over and over. Once we wise up to THAT reason they’ll come up with another. 

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

No I'm arguing for common sense.  get out of the way, and let me defuse the bomb or a lot of us will die.  IOW don't be a dumass just to be a dumass

Seriously?  You’ve been watching way too many movies. 

[daz28]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

If they can search without a warrant using any reason that reason will be used over and over. Once we wise up to THAT reason they’ll come up with another. 

As has been stated over and over, it's not the breach of rights for a proper reason that kills us, it's the fact that we shirk our responsibility to hold them accountable.  If necessary we are supposed to usurp them.

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, daz28 said:

As has been stated over and over, it's not the breach of rights for a proper reason that kills us, it's the fact that we shirk our responsibility to hold them accountable.  If necessary we are supposed to usurp them.

In my mind there is no proper reason. It’s a slippery slope that the lazy allow to happen.  

[Deranged Rhino]

6 minutes ago, daz28 said:

As has been stated over and over, it's not the breach of rights for a proper reason that kills us, it's the fact that we shirk our responsibility to hold them accountable.  If necessary we are supposed to usurp them.

 

But here's why you're dumb. 

 

Your version of "holding them accountable" is to agree the government can suspend your rights in the name of the common good. So you want to hold the government accountable while admitting they can strip way your fundamental rights if they deem it necessary for the common good. 

 

You're so twisted and broken you don't even understand how ***** dumb you sound. 

[Reality Check]

5 minutes ago, daz28 said:

As has been stated over and over, it's not the breach of rights for a proper reason that kills us, it's the fact that we shirk our responsibility to hold them accountable.  If necessary we are supposed to usurp them.

Well meaning patriots aren't going to see it your way on this just yet. In my opinion, you are a year ahead of your time at minimum. We are all dug in like ticks in our respective positions because those positions function as lifeboats in a time when everything that was will never be the same again.

[daz28]

1 minute ago, Reality Check said:

Well meaning patriots aren't going to see it your way on this just yet. In my opinion, you are a year ahead of your time at minimum. We are all dug in like ticks in our respective positions because those positions function as lifeboats in a time when everything that was will never be the same again.

I decided I didn't need a lifeboat after GW Bush was re-elected.  

[Reality Check]

57 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

This is another idea that is way ahead of its time. It will take more than a few years for people to look back on what really happened with far better resolution than we have available now. Just my opinion of course.

[daz28]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

But here's why you're dumb. 

 

Your version of "holding them accountable" is to agree the government can suspend your rights in the name of the common good. So you want to hold the government accountable while admitting they can strip way your fundamental rights if they deem it necessary for the common good. 

 

You're so twisted and broken you don't even understand how ***** dumb you sound. 

Dear Mr Constitutionalist.  If your government ever gets so broken, you fix it.  it's your constitutional duty.  Do you think Thomas Jefferson was thinking when DR gets Hillary and Obama in 2020 we will turn this thing around?

 

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I decided I didn't need a lifeboat after GW Bush was re-elected.  

That is good because you will mentally adapt much better and faster than most after we all go through this global transition.

[daz28]

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Seriously?  You’ve been watching way too many movies. 

No I've been watching dummies storm the capital with no masks while they still haven't pulled the last 10 things the government shoved up their *** out yet