Chinese begin to worry U.S. militarily

[Pete]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/04/1...apan/index.html

[sweet baboo]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/04/1...apan/index.html

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if you look at the poll on the page, well...

it looks like that's one webpage the chinese censors allow their people to visit...look at the overwhelming number of votes against japan

[KRC]

There are a lot of people ticked off with the new Japanese textbook. Both the South and North Koreans are attacking it along with the Chinese. Not a smart move on the part of the Japanese.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Who cares? No one HERE is protesting it, even though the Japanese killed many many Americans during WWII.

 

Call me a cynic, but this is all a ploy set forth by the Commie Chinese. Again, Communists can NOT be trusted.

[KRC]

Who cares? No one HERE is protesting it, even though the Japanese killed many many Americans during WWII.

 

Call me a cynic, but this is all a ploy set forth by the Commie Chinese. Again, Communists can NOT be trusted.

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IIRC, the flare-up started in Korea before it started in China. Are the South Koreans untrustworthy like the commies?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

IIRC, the flare-up started in Korea before it started in China. Are the South Koreans untrustworthy like the commies?

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Not really, but I have to believe the S. Korean gov't didn't encourage protests like the Communist government is.

[KRC]

Not really, but I have to believe the S. Korean gov't didn't encourage protests like the Communist government is.

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They are fighting it on all levels of government and are taking the issue internationally. They are also fighting the Japanese on the Tok Islet, but that is a different story. Both broke about the same time and are really pissing off the Koreans on both sides of the DMZ.

[Campy]

Who cares? No one HERE is protesting it, even though the Japanese killed many many Americans during WWII.

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I imagine that if Americans were the victims of atrocities such as the Rape of Nanking (over 396,000 civilians killed, over 80,000 women and girls raped) we'd be protesting quite vocally.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

They are fighting it on all levels of government and are taking the issue internationally. They are also fighting the Japanese on the Tok Islet, but that is a different story. Both broke about the same time and are really pissing off the Koreans on both sides of the DMZ.

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Tok islet? Please enlighten me.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Who cares? No one HERE is protesting it, even though the Japanese killed many many Americans during WWII.

 

Call me a cynic, but this is all a ploy set forth by the Commie Chinese. Again, Communists can NOT be trusted.

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Part of that might have to do with the current cultural atmosphere that requires us every December 7th to apologize for forcing the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor.

 

But even so...The Chinese and Koreans have very legitimate cultural beefs with the Japanese. We merely fought a war with them. Koreans were enslaved by them, and the Chinese suffered atrocities as bad as if not worse than anything the SS did in Eastern Europe (I know you've heard of Unit 731). What's the worst the Japanese did to the US civilian population directly? Balloon bombs over Oregon?

 

The Japanese refusal to own up to even the most basic facts of their militaristic past is shameful...and utterly predictable. They've been doing it ever since Hirohito announced the surrender to the population; why start acknowledging it now?

[KRC]

Tok islet? Please enlighten me.

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I am doing this from memory, so forgive me. The Japanese and Koreans (North and South) claim Tok Islet as their own. It is located in the East Sea (or Sea of Japan for the Japanese). Last month, the Japanese claimed the island as their own. The South Koreans claim that this (along with the textbook change) are deliberate attempts by the Japanese to justify their colonial rule of Korea.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Part of that might have to do with the current cultural atmosphere that requires us every December 7th to apologize for forcing the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor. 

 

But even so...The Chinese and Koreans have very legitimate cultural beefs with the Japanese.  We merely fought a war with them.  Koreans were enslaved by them, and the Chinese suffered atrocities as bad as if not worse than anything the SS did in Eastern Europe (I know you've heard of Unit 731).  What's the worst the Japanese did to the US civilian population directly?  Balloon bombs over Oregon?

 

The Japanese refusal to own up to even the most basic facts of their militaristic past is shameful...and utterly predictable.  They've been doing it ever since Hirohito announced the surrender to the population; why start acknowledging it now?

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That was SIXTY years ago? WTF? This Japan is entirely different from that one. I'm more concerned about a saber-rattling china than I will EVER be about Japan.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I am doing this from memory, so forgive me. The Japanese and Koreans (North and South) claim Tok Islet as their own. It is located in the East Sea (or Sea of Japan for the Japanese). Last month, the Japanese claimed the island as their own. The South Koreans claim that this (along with the textbook change) are deliberate attempts by the Japanese to justify their colonial rule of Korea.

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How ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as the Chinese claiming the Spratly islands.

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

The Japanese were chopping off the heads of the Chinese in a fashion that would even shock Zarqawi.....the burning resentment will be there for a long, long time.

 

 

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

That was SIXTY years ago? WTF? This Japan is entirely different from that one. I'm more concerned about a  saber-rattling china than I will EVER be about Japan.

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A whole sixty years? Use that logic with an Auschwitz survivor, or a surviving rape victim of Nanking, or a Bataan Death March veteran. Or a long-time resident of Hiroshima...tell them they shouldn't still be upset about the atomic bomb (I've done that...that discussion got ugly). Or go down to the deep south and tell everyone that the "War of Northern Aggression" was 150 years ago and they should get over it. Hell, Chechnia's been part of the Soviet Union/Russia for 70 or 80 years...why would they still be upset about it? "That was 60 years ago" might - might - be decent logic with individuals, but it gets just a little specious when cultural differences are involved.

 

And anyway...Japan's entirely different now? Really? That would probably be news to the Japanese, particularly the ones that are told the US started the war with the oil embargo and Japan was only defending herself against Western aggression...just like they were told 60 years ago. Japan may build cities out of concrete and steel instead of wood and rice paper now...but Japanese racialism towards the gaijin - and particularly towards the Koreans, who themselves respond in kind - is as it ever was.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

A whole sixty years?  Use that logic with an Auschwitz survivor, or a surviving rape victim of Nanking, or a Bataan Death March veteran.  Or a long-time resident of Hiroshima...tell them they shouldn't still be upset about the atomic bomb (I've done that...that discussion got ugly).  Or go down to the deep south and tell everyone that the "War of Northern Aggression" was 150 years ago and they should get over it.  Hell, Chechnia's been part of the Soviet Union/Russia for 70 or 80 years...why would they still be upset about it?  "That was 60 years ago" might - might - be decent logic with individuals, but it gets just a little specious when cultural differences are involved.

 

And anyway...Japan's entirely different now?  Really?  That would probably be news to the Japanese, particularly the ones that are told the US started the war with the oil embargo and Japan was only defending herself against Western aggression...just like they were told 60 years ago.  Japan may build cities out of concrete and steel instead of wood and rice paper now...but Japanese racialism towards the gaijin - and particularly towards the Koreans, who themselves respond in kind - is as it ever was.

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Right. I'm sorry but the Japanese are no longer imperialistic militarists. It's just not the case.

[Campy]

Right. I'm sorry but the Japanese are no longer imperialistic militarists. It's just not the case.

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I agree with that JSP, but one of the traits of their society is a profound sense of nationalism. By all acounts, it's on the rise.

 

Nationalism led them to invade (and defeat) Russia, Manchuria, China, etc. While it may not be realistic that they will do something as overt as invade Korea anytime soon, they do have a track record that the rest of the world would probably be best-served to remember.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Right. I'm sorry but the Japanese are no longer imperialistic militarists. It's just not the case.

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The point being that according to the Japanese now, they never were to begin with! That is the whole crux of Chinese and Korean anger, the consistent whitewashing of Japanese history by the Japanese.

 

And yet, even though the victims of genocidal atrocities sixty years ago should forget about it when the perpetrators whitewash events, the Vatican should be roundly pilloried for whitewashing the sexual depravity of a handful of priests? Nice perspective, that...

[nobody]

The point being that according to the Japanese now, they never were to begin with!  That is the whole crux of Chinese and Korean anger, the consistent whitewashing of Japanese history by the Japanese.

 

First I think Japan should apologize. Just as the vatican has apologized for not helping the Jewish community during WWII. But I hope no one thinks that Japan is the only country to whitewash their history in their favor.

[KRC]

But I hope no one thinks that Japan is the only country to whitewash their history in their favor.

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It is happening here in the States. The PC police are removing historical items that might be offensive. I remember some districts removing some items regarding slavery.*

 

*NOTE: I do not have the link so don't ask.