TSNBDSC Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Which is better ? Looking to buy a new moderately priced computer. Thanks ! Go BILLS ! https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-pavilion-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-series-12gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-ash-silver/6221040.p?skuId=6221040 https://www.staples.com/hp-pavilion-desktop-590-p0050-intel-i5-1tb-hdd-24gb-ram-windows-10/product_24338689 Edited July 31, 2019 by TSNBDSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 i5 until about a month ago I would have told you that an Intel chip would always outperform the same generation AMD chip. But AMD just released new Ryzen 3700x and 3900x chip that closed the gap with the i9. I"ve been trying to get my hands on a 3900x but they're always sold out. At this rate I may end up just waiting until the 3950x comes out in September (16 core 32 thread gaming goodness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, /dev/null said: i5 until about a month ago I would have told you that an Intel chip would always outperform the same generation AMD chip. But AMD just released new Ryzen 3700x and 3900x chip that closed the gap with the i9. I"ve been trying to get my hands on a 3900x but they're always sold out. At this rate I may end up just waiting until the 3950x comes out in September (16 core 32 thread gaming goodness Thanks for your input ! You can go back and forth with all the specs. The I5 seems to have a faster processor speed but the AMD has more RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, TSNBDSC said: Thanks for your input ! You can go back and forth with all the specs. The I5 seems to have a faster processor speed but the AMD has more RAM The AMD has 12GB of system memory The Intel has 8GB of system memory. But wait, there's more! The Intel also has 16GB Optane Memory, which is like a bridge between memory and your hard drive. Optane is a very high speed flash drive that the system mirrors important and frequently used files from the main drive, so that when you're booting up the computer or running applications it is accessing the high speed Optane drive rather than the slow traditional hard drive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Ryzen, all day and twice on sundays. From a price/performance perspective, AMD is cleaning the floor with Intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 Looking for speed. Quickness. Not slowly loading web pages etc. You could always add RAM yes ? 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Ryzen, all day and twice on sundays. From a price/performance perspective, AMD is cleaning the floor with Intel. How on performance ? Processing speed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, TSNBDSC said: Looking for speed. Quickness. Not slowly loading web pages etc. You could always add RAM yes ? How on performance ? Processing speed ? Price to performance. Have you done a cost comparison? Number of cores/memory per dollar. Edited July 31, 2019 by Joe in Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 29 minutes ago, /dev/null said: The AMD has 12GB of system memory The Intel has 8GB of system memory. But wait, there's more! The Intel also has 16GB Optane Memory, which is like a bridge between memory and your hard drive. Optane is a very high speed flash drive that the system mirrors important and frequently used files from the main drive, so that when you're booting up the computer or running applications it is accessing the high speed Optane drive rather than the slow traditional hard drive I'm not familiar with Optane, but it sounds like it performs very much like a Solid State Drive (SSD). You really want this performance for Windows to keep things nice and snappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, coloradobillsfan said: I'm not familiar with Optane, but it sounds like it performs very much like a Solid State Drive (SSD). You really want this performance for Windows to keep things nice and snappy. SSD run about 500MBs on the SATA Bus Optane uses an M2 drive. M2 drives do about 3GBs on the PCIx bus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Price to performance. Have you done a cost comparison? Number of cores/memory per dollar. Just looking for performance between the two I listed. Price isnt that much of a difference. The confusing part is one has a higher processor speed and the other one RAM/cache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, /dev/null said: SSD run about 500MBs on the SATA Bus Optane uses an M2 drive. M2 drives do about 3GBs on the PCIx bus Wonder why it says "near SSD performance" on the specs page then. Sounds like it smokes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 49 minutes ago, /dev/null said: The AMD has 12GB of system memory The Intel has 8GB of system memory. But wait, there's more! The Intel also has 16GB Optane Memory, which is like a bridge between memory and your hard drive. Optane is a very high speed flash drive that the system mirrors important and frequently used files from the main drive, so that when you're booting up the computer or running applications it is accessing the high speed Optane drive rather than the slow traditional hard drive Joe in Winslow seems to like the AMD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, TSNBDSC said: Joe in Winslow seems to like the AMD... When I built my system, I went ryzen, and I don't regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said: Wonder why it says "near SSD performance" on the specs page then. Sounds like it smokes it. I must have missed that when I glanced over the OPs specs Older M2s run on the SATA bus and newer on the PCIx. The above probably runs on SATA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, TSNBDSC said: Joe in Winslow seems to like the AMD... 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: When I built my system, I went ryzen, and I don't regret it. Ryzen vs Intel Fedora/Red Hat/CentOS vs Debian/Ubuntu Picard vs Kirk We can nerd out and debate the details all day, but in the end it's a matter of preference. I've been price shopping parts for a new gaming rig for a few months but had never quite been ready to pull the trigger. Until the latest Ryzens came out I was going to go for an i9-9900 or 9920. But after seeing what AMD pulled off, I"m gonna make the switch. If I could only find somewhere that isn't sold out of the 3900x (tho now I'm contemplating waiting for the 3950x to come out) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: When I built my system, I went ryzen, and I don't regret it. So, would you say processor speed trumps RAM/cache ? 4 to 4.9 ghz versus 3.6 ghz ? 12GB RAM versus 8GB RAM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, TSNBDSC said: So, would you say processor speed trumps RAM/cache ? 4 to 4.9 ghz versus 3.6 ghz ? 12GB RAM versus 8GB RAM ? Let me ask you this. What's the machine being used for? 5 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Ryzen vs Intel Fedora/Red Hat/CentOS vs Debian/Ubuntu Picard vs Kirk We can nerd out and debate the details all day, but in the end it's a matter of preference. I've been price shopping parts for a new gaming rig for a few months but had never quite been ready to pull the trigger. Until the latest Ryzens came out I was going to go for an i9-9900 or 9920. But after seeing what AMD pulled off, I"m gonna make the switch. If I could only find somewhere that isn't sold out of the 3900x (tho now I'm contemplating waiting for the 3950x to come out) Exactly. Most gamers I know have made the switch. I was able to afford a better gpu by going ryzen too. Ymmv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Let me ask you this. What's the machine being used for? Exactly. Most gamers I know have made the switch. I was able to afford a better gpu by going ryzen too. Ymmv. Basic home stuff. General sufing. Music and videos. No gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, TSNBDSC said: Basic home stuff. General sufing. Music and videos. No gaming. Ryzen, and use the saved cash for more storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, TSNBDSC said: So, would you say processor speed trumps RAM/cache ? 4 to 4.9 ghz versus 3.6 ghz ? 12GB RAM versus 8GB RAM ? On the Intel, the 4-4.9ghz is the "boosted" speed, which you'll only get if you overclock. The base speed is actually 2.8ghz. the amd base is 3.6 without an overclock. Overclocking isn't something you'd use on a basic home PC The AMD therefore has the higher base clock but the AMD has 4 cores while the Intel has 6. A core is the number of processors per chip. So the AMD has 4x 3.6ghz processors and the Intel has 6x 2.8Ghz processors. That doesn't mean the AMD has a ~15Ghz processor and the Intel has a ~17Ghz processor. It means that your applications and background programs need to use the CPU, there are 4 available on the AMD running at 3.6ghz vs 6 available on the Intel running at 2.8Ghz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 always AMD, so may be bias here. just been my choice of chip for any build for the last couple decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Price to performance. Have you done a cost comparison? Number of cores/memory per dollar. In my experience, the AMD's have better performance per cost. However they run a lot hotter. Heat tends not to be an issue in desktops because you can supply the correct cooling. I enjoy going to this site for comparisons. https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Ryzen, and use the saved cash for more storage. This is the last POS I bought. AMD A6-Series https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-251-a244-desktop-amd-a6-series-6gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/4844905.p?skuId=4844905 Slowest most aggravating POS ever made. Molasses. Being an AMD it makes mes lean towards Intel Edited August 1, 2019 by TSNBDSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 58 minutes ago, TSNBDSC said: This is the last POS I bought. AMD A6-Series https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-251-a244-desktop-amd-a6-series-6gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/4844905.p?skuId=4844905 Slowest most aggravating POS ever made. Molasses. Being an AMD it makes mes lean towards Intel it's difficult to think back in time on older systems why it would run slower than molasses. but the first thing that comes to mind is figuring out if something is eating up system resources. on any commercial PC like HP or Dell, you've got a bunch of factory loaded crapware and bloatware. get rid of all that nonsense. if you're comfortable enough with computers (and not afraid to void your warranty), download the latest Windows image from Microsoft and do a fresh install. Or if you're feeling adventurous, give Linux a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 8 hours ago, TSNBDSC said: This is the last POS I bought. AMD A6-Series https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-251-a244-desktop-amd-a6-series-6gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/4844905.p?skuId=4844905 Slowest most aggravating POS ever made. Molasses. Being an AMD it makes mes lean towards Intel It's an hp. Never buy HP, Dell or any other off the shelf system they load them with bloatware and other kinds of crap. Instead, if you're uncomfortable building a system, use something like letsbld.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: It's an hp. Never buy HP, Dell or any other off the shelf system they load them with bloatware and other kinds of crap. Instead, if you're uncomfortable building a system, use something like letsbld.com. Dweeb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Dweeb. come at me bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: come at me bro I will fry your motherboard, mo fo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: I will fry your motherboard, mo fo. Do you even build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 Found the specs on my older computer that I went back to. https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-pavilion-p7-1200-desktop-pc-series/5187022/model/5210662/manuals I3 Win 7. Upgraded to Xp then 10. Still runs great. I think Win 10 causes alot of issues. Xp was the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Gugny said: I will fry your motherboard, mo fo. is that some code word for tossing his salad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 4 hours ago, /dev/null said: is that some code word for tossing his salad? He couldn't afford that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 AMD accounted for 79% of all CPU sales in July https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-is-such-a-hit-it-almost-outsold-intels-entire-cpu-range Now if I could only find somewhere that isn't sold out of 3900x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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