How The Anderson Signing

[Pac_Man]

I'm still hoping that we use the second round pick to draft a center. If we trade Henry for Shelton, that should take care of the offensive line. We could then use the third round pick on a position of need--CB, DL, TE, whatever.

[Fan in Chicago]

I predict this

 

1) If a position has a run on it. TD will pick from the positions where a stud has fallen because of the run on a certain position.

 

Was Willis McGahee a pick of need or best player available ?

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You echo my thoughts. As usual, I think TD will spring a surprise pick on all of us. The vast majority will be left gaping and the logic will be apparent in a few months time .... I thus cannot make any predictions but kind of think that a deal with some team (not Cards) is already done.

[beausox]

I predict this

 

1) If a position has a run on it. TD will pick from the positions where a stud has fallen because of the run on a certain position.

 

Was Willis McGahee a pick of need or best player available ?

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Point well taken. I still believe Shelton will come free after he is cut or Green will swap 2nd rounders and if free we are free to offload TH for a 1st day pick. As for need I think MLB, safety- both Millioy and Vincent are aging-, and CB.

[Kelly the Dog]

I will bet anyone anything that I know exactly what TD is going to do. Any takers?

 

He is going to do what he always does, with every draft and every pick. He's going to have a board of all his choices in order that have not been drafted yet, regardless of position. He is going to look at the first 4-5 names (and maybe more) that are still available on that list. He is then going to determine if the guy at the top of the list is a guy they love and there is no question they were hoping he was still there, OR, if the 4-5 guys at the top of that list are all relatively equal meaning liked by some coaches more than other as it is not a strict science.

 

He is then going to look at the positions of those 4-5 guys from top to bottom and which of the guys are positions of need. If the top 1-2 are positiions of need, CB or OL perhaps, they may put that player over the top. If the players 3-5 are positions of need, the war room will argue the merits of all and decide if say player 3 would be a better pick than player 1 because it is more of a need position.

 

He will think of the cap and how much money he may have to pay the player (if this is round one or perhaps two) and decide if that player warrants the amount of money (at this juncture, a couple years ago, he decided on McGahee because no one else on his list he felt deserved first round money regardless of position)

 

Meanwhile, he and/or his staff will be talking with other teams that the Bills have contacted about trades and moving down to get more picks, and teams that call them asking for their spot, and then determining if the 5 guys they are discussing are a better option or worse than what may be available later and what else we could expect to get with the extra choice.

 

He will then say he is leaning toward one or two of those many options and ask what Modrak and MM and Guy and the position coaches suggest. They will have their say and then at the last second TD will make the choice, not based on position but on all above factors combined.

[Happy Days Lois & Clark]

If the Henry for Shelton trade goes through I would be interested in Vincent Jasckon WR or a CB in the 2nd round

 

Maybe the Bills could trade down & get Vincent Jackson & pick up an extra draft pick. Then take a CB in the 3rd round

[Stussy109]

Hey boys, Let's not forget about the DL either. What if a top DL man falls to us in the 2nd round?

Pull the trigger or not?

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No way... We have 3 2nd round DE's, a pro bowler in sam adams, and a 3rd and 4th rd DT

[Larry Playfair]

I will bet anyone anything that I know exactly what TD is going to do. Any takers?

 

He is going to do what he always does, with every draft and every pick. He's going to have a board of all his choices in order that have not been drafted yet, regardless of position. He is going to look at the first 4-5 names (and maybe more) that are still available on that list. He is then going to determine if the guy at the top of the list is a guy they love and there is no question they were hoping he was still there, OR, if the 4-5 guys at the top of that list are all relatively equal meaning liked by some coaches more than other as it is not a strict science.

 

He is then going to look at the positions of those 4-5 guys from top to bottom and which of the guys are positions of need. If the top 1-2 are positiions of need, CB or OL perhaps, they may put that player over the top. If the players 3-5 are positions of need, the war room will argue the merits of all and decide if say player 3 would be a better pick than player 1 because it is more of a need position.

 

He will think of the cap and how much money he may have to pay the player (if this is round one or perhaps two) and decide if that player warrants the amount of money (at this juncture, a couple years ago, he decided on McGahee because no one else on his list he felt deserved first round money regardless of position)

 

Meanwhile, he and/or his staff will be talking with other teams that the Bills have contacted about trades and moving down to get more picks, and teams that call them asking for their spot, and then determining if the 5 guys they are discussing are a better option or worse than what may be available later and what else we could expect to get with the extra choice.

 

He will then say he is leaning toward one or two of those many options and ask what Modrak and MM and Guy and the position coaches suggest. They will have their say and then at the last second TD will make the choice, not based on position but on all above factors combined.

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how do you know????

 

I dont think we need shelton now that we have Bennie. Tucker at C and Teague at LT. I believe we go CB in Rd 2.

 

New issue - if we dont trade TH for shelton, what do we do with travis? Maybe that is how we can pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder and get both CB and O line help.

[Bill from NYC]

He just knows, that's all, and as he says, his knowledge is exact.

[Bill from NYC]

That may be true of TD's overall drafting record but that doesn't apply to JP or Willis!

 

BTW, I think we're thinner at safety on defense overall.   One injury there and we're screwed.

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Actually, I was looking at the Bills overall more than just TD. Wrt Willis, that is a good point. I would think that he was more of a "best player available" pick, with an element of "need" as well.

 

Need Picks:

 

!. Moulds (Kelly was screaming for another receiver)

2. M. Williams (Fina and Ostroski were cut and the OL was shot)

3. Flowers (Bruce retired)

4. Winfield (Losses at cb due to free agency and injury)

5. Evans (Moulds aging, and no other good receiver on roster)

 

Some players do fall into both categories. For example, when TD drafted Clements, we did need a corner, but that was far from the only need. Same with Burress. Levy had a thing for the CB position, and LOVED to draft them.

 

My best example of a bpa pick is actually Sam Cowart. We were stocked with lbs. Our OL was awful at best, and we needed a TE. Oddly enough, there were huge injuries at lb, and Cowart turned out to be an ideal fit and a simply wonderful selection.

 

I am not making a case on what TD "should" do. Obviously, he is the expert; he is the pro, not I. My initial post was all about my opinion, and what I think will happen on draft day.

The Bills, as a franchise, love to draft corners with the first pick. H. Jones (drafted as a cb), T. Smith, Burress, Winfield and Clements are examples. Note that 3 of the last 4 played out their options and got the big bucks from another team and that Clements has 1 year left to be a ufa.

This is why I think that in all probability, Clements will be gone and the Bills will draft a corner first.

The above in no way makes me correct. Again, jmo and speculation. I have no "exact" knowledge of what will occur and am just having fun.

[Kelly the Dog]

Actually, I was looking at the Bills overall more than just TD. Wrt Willis, that is a good point. I would think that he was more of a "best player available" pick, with an element of "need" as well.

 

Need Picks:

 

!. Moulds (Kelly was screaming for another receiver)

2. M. Williams (Fina and Ostroski were cut and the OL was shot)

3. Flowers (Bruce retired)

4. Winfield (Losses at cb due to free agency and injury)

5. Evans (Moulds aging, and no other good receiver on roster)

 

Some players do fall into both categories. For example, when TD drafted Clements, we did need a corner, but that was far from the only need. Same with Burress. Levy had a thing for the CB position, and LOVED to draft them.

 

My best example of a bpa pick is actually Sam Cowart. We were stocked with lbs. Our OL was awful at best, and we needed a TE. Oddly enough, there were huge injuries at lb, and Cowart turned out to be an ideal fit and a simply wonderful selection.

 

I am not making a case on what TD "should" do. Obviously, he is the expert; he is the pro, not I. My initial post was all about my opinion, and what I think will happen on draft day.

The Bills, as a franchise, love to draft corners with the first pick. H. Jones (drafted as a cb), T. Smith, Burress, Winfield and Clements are examples.  Note that 3 of the last 4 played out their options and got the big bucks from another team and that Clements has 1 year left to be a ufa.

This is why I think that in all probability, Clements will be gone and the Bills will draft a corner first.

The above in no way makes me correct. Again, jmo and speculation. I have no "exact" knowledge of what will occur and am just having fun. 

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IMO, I really don't think you can look at an organization like the Bills as a whole and say they do things like draft cornerbacks as if it were something they do as a policy rather than a simple and total coincidence. If Ralph was more like Jerry Jones or more hands on with the draft it would be different. I think TD handles the draft in precisely the way he wants to, and if the Bills had never drafted a CB #1 in their entire history he would have done the exact same thing with Clements and all his other picks he has made since coming here.

 

That is not to say that he won't draft a CB. In fact, that is a very likely choice if one he rates high is there at our pick, and another player he really wants is not rated much above the CB at a different position. He knows Nate may leave, he knows Thomas and Greer are probably not ready to be starters if injuries were to occur.

[Smoker2Buffalo]

 

You really need to think about a name change, something like JP4ever

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I know, I was trying to rally support for last year's draft.

[SlamnSam]

Imho of course.

Throughout this decade and the nineties, the Bills have shown to be a bit more prone to drafting by position than best player available with their top pick. If Alaska Darin reads this he is sure to disagree. Again, this is just my opinion.

 

With a pair of solid guards, some depth, a RT who cannot go anywhere due to his contract, and a versatile player in Teague, I think that the odds of TD selecting an offensive lineman with the first pick are slim; Shelton or not.

This is not to try to convince anybody that the Bills OL will be exceptionally good. I just think that CB will be the way TD will go with the first pick.

To me, it is quite simple. Of our 2 starting corners, one is a ufa in a year, and they both return kicks, further exposing themselves to injury. The Bills are just too thin at CB, and I am strongly thinking that this will be addressed as soon as we pick.

 

What COULD change this would be if T. Law was to come to Buffalo for a small, but incentive laden contract, a possibility which I do not dismiss.

We shall see.

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No way a CB. The need for CB is not what it used to be. The new rules basically nullify a CB's use, and now with the new Roy Williams rule on the horzion a CB value dimishes. There is no doubt our pick is going to be an OL.

[bluenews]

make Maurcie Clarrett a good pick in round 4

[Bill from NYC]

No way a CB. The need for CB is not what it used to be. The new rules basically nullify a CB's use, and now with the new Roy Williams rule on the horzion a CB value dimishes. There is no doubt our pick is going to be an OL.

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Point taken, but teams with poor corners will never go the distance. They never have.

New rules notwithstanding, there will always be a need for corners who can cover, make plays and pick off passes.

I would be the happiest poster here if TD selects a blocker with our first pick, but I make the case that imo, it is just not going to happen.