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24 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

I agree. That’s why I said that I think he’s been covering crappy buffalo teams for too long and It’s taken a toll on him. 

 

He just seems unable to objectively cover the team anymore. 

 

You can see a big difference in the way he covers the Sabres struggles vs a new guy like Lance Lysowski (IMO anyway)

Like O’Reilly, Harington has lost his love and passion for the beat. 

 

Time for the Buffalo News to trade him to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. 

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There's a history of bad blood between Pegulas and TBN (Harrington specifically), so it shouldn't be surprising that Harrington penned a hit job on the organization.

 

The bigger issue is that the story lacks any newsworthiness that any follower of the team doesn't already know.  It's worse that the local veteran Sabres reporter parroted the national/Canadian stories about the lopsided trade, despite having far greater access to the facts surrounding the trade.   Heck, there's been far more detail revealed in the last two pages of this thread on possibly why Sabres dumped O'Reilly than anything in Harrington's piece. 

 

It was lazy journalism, whose bigger intent was to rub it into Pegulas than to provide a newsworthy account.

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On 5/25/2019 at 6:18 PM, Lurker said:

 

 

 

 

 

Hockey's future message board.    https://hfboards.mandatory.com/forums/buffalo-sabres.18/

 

If you can believe it, it's full of even bigger, more obnoxious asshats than TSW...

 

 

The atmosphere at HFboards (the Sabres section) is positively toxic and has one of the biggest douchebag-filled environments you will ever find.

 

It's a shame, too, because it is the most knowledgable Sabres forum in existence and worlds ahead of Sabrespace, for example.

 

But these kids who spend all day every day on message boards fighting with strangers and treating everyone around them with a total lack of respect...it's weird, and gross.

 

I'd love to meet some of these people in person, or just get a glance at them.  See what makes them tick.

 

I think a lot of these people are tech/anti-social types by nature, and the internet came along and became the perfect facilitator for them to go off the rails.  In the good old days pre-net, these were just the freak loner type down the hall.  Now we have communities of them and they have a voice, even if somewhat limited.

 

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, GG said:

There's a history of bad blood between Pegulas and TBN (Harrington specifically), so it shouldn't be surprising that Harrington penned a hit job on the organization.

 

The bigger issue is that the story lacks any newsworthiness that any follower of the team doesn't already know.  It's worse that the local veteran Sabres reporter parroted the national/Canadian stories about the lopsided trade, despite having far greater access to the facts surrounding the trade.   Heck, there's been far more detail revealed in the last two pages of this thread on possibly why Sabres dumped O'Reilly than anything in Harrington's piece. 

 

It was lazy journalism, whose bigger intent was to rub it into Pegulas than to provide a newsworthy account.

There is an obvious reason why the ROR is a topic of discussion in the local, national and Canadian hockey media: He is a traded player that contributed to a team that is now playing in the cup finals. He without question played an important role on that team. So what's so surprising about there being judgments about the trade coming up again? 

 

I have not criticized the deal for a variety of reasons. But it is not unfair for critics to at least at this point conclude that this was a very uneven deal. My position is that there is still time to make associated deals from the original deal that will make this deal look less imbalanced. 

 

As far as the Pegulas as owners being treated unfairly I don't see it. This team under their stewardship has by any measure lagged and been a disappointment. If they want more glowing reporting on themselves and their team then the organization has to be run more smartly and improve its play on the ice. 

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Pegulas should get something simple right just for starters:  royal blue.

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4 hours ago, JohnC said:

There is an obvious reason why the ROR is a topic of discussion in the local, national and Canadian hockey media: He is a traded player that contributed to a team that is now playing in the cup finals. He without question played an important role on that team. So what's so surprising about there being judgments about the trade coming up again? 

 

I have not criticized the deal for a variety of reasons. But it is not unfair for critics to at least at this point conclude that this was a very uneven deal. My position is that there is still time to make associated deals from the original deal that will make this deal look less imbalanced. 

 

As far as the Pegulas as owners being treated unfairly I don't see it. This team under their stewardship has by any measure lagged and been a disappointment. If they want more glowing reporting on themselves and their team then the organization has to be run more smartly and improve its play on the ice. 

 

I didn't say that the article wasn't topical.  I said that it was lazy journalism that parroted the national media and offered nothing new, which is something that you expect a local beat writer to provide.   Don't you think going down the road of whether the Cal situation in Rochester had some bearing on the decision to get rid of Ryan a few months later?   

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Just now, GG said:

 

I didn't say that the article wasn't topical.  I said that it was lazy journalism that parroted the national media and offered nothing new, which is something that you expect a local beat writer to provide.   Don't you think going down the road of whether the Cal situation in Rochester had some bearing on the decision to get rid of Ryan a few months later?   

The Cal situation has been speculated on but has not been confirmed. So it would not have been appropriate for the reporter from a standard standpoint to report it.  Did the Cal situation have a bearing on the ROR departure? Who knows? What is known about ROR is that he made it clear to the organization and publicly that he wanted out.  

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24 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The Cal situation has been speculated on but has not been confirmed. So it would not have been appropriate for the reporter from a standard standpoint to report it.  Did the Cal situation have a bearing on the ROR departure? Who knows? What is known about ROR is that he made it clear to the organization and publicly that he wanted out.  

 

Uhm, isn't it the job of the beat reporter to get to the bottom of the story, much of which is behind the scenes, instead of regurgitating public knowledge? 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Pegulas should get something simple right just for starters:  royal blue.

They got rid of the Slug and kept the team in Buffalo.  I'm not arguing with you about royal blue (I wholeheartedly agree).

 

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6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I'd love to meet some of these people in person, or just get a glance at them.  

 

I suspect they look like the shirtless guy, above.

 

Come to think of it, that's what a lot of the in-arena crowd looks like as well.   I've always thoughSabres fans are a lot dumpier looking than Bills fans, based on TV broadcast crowd shots...

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1 hour ago, GG said:

 

Uhm, isn't it the job of the beat reporter to get to the bottom of the story, much of which is behind the scenes, instead of regurgitating public knowledge? 

The reporter/s did get the story right with respect to ROR. He wanted out and expressed his disgruntlement with the team and organization. The front office, like every organization, conducted exit interviews. One of the primary players on the team wanted out. The player had no hidden agenda because it was a public agenda. It was apparent to everyone covering the team,  on the team and in the organization that he wanted to be moved. The story about ROR was not a hidden backroom story because he made his feelings publicly known. That's the story! And it is not a unique story that only happens in Buffalo.  

 

You are trying to manufacture a side story about his minor league brother that had little bearing on a storyline that exists for all teams in all pro sports i.e. that a player, sometimes a prominent player and sometimes a marginal player,  wants out. So a deal was made to accommodate the player and the interest of the team. 

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3 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

I suspect they look like the shirtless guy, above.

 

Come to think of it, that's what a lot of the in-arena crowd looks like as well.   I've always thoughSabres fans are a lot dumpier looking than Bills fans, based on TV broadcast crowd shots...

dumpier... possibly...but I’ve never seen a Sabres fan s*** in a urinal

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9 hours ago, JohnC said:

The reporter/s did get the story right with respect to ROR. He wanted out and expressed his disgruntlement with the team and organization. The front office, like every organization, conducted exit interviews. One of the primary players on the team wanted out. The player had no hidden agenda because it was a public agenda. It was apparent to everyone covering the team,  on the team and in the organization that he wanted to be moved. The story about ROR was not a hidden backroom story because he made his feelings publicly known. That's the story! And it is not a unique story that only happens in Buffalo.  

 

You are trying to manufacture a side story about his minor league brother that had little bearing on a storyline that exists for all teams in all pro sports i.e. that a player, sometimes a prominent player and sometimes a marginal player,  wants out. So a deal was made to accommodate the player and the interest of the team. 

 

If it was so transparent, where are the quotes from team mates that O'Reilly wanted out?  Even if nobody wanted to go on record, a good journalist would find ways to describe the situation if it was clear cut as you make it sound. 

 

What Harrington doesn't do is try to delve into the Sabres/Pegulas' reasons for dumping O'Reilly after giving him a massive contract and slapping a C on the sweater.   Instead he gave a lazy rehash of news that everyone already knew.  That's not journalism.

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13 hours ago, Alaska Darin said:

They got rid of the Slug and kept the team in Buffalo.  I'm not arguing with you about royal blue (I wholeheartedly agree).

 

 

I fully expect to see the royal blue this season.  They have nothing to gain from releasing that info right now, so they might as well string along the fans for a while.  It will get that much better of a reaction right around September.

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Krueger isn’t in episode 1 all that much (because they didn’t have a training camp and all the players were down in the AHL, which is what the video shows). 

But he’s in episode 2/3/4 a bunch. It’s a cool look behind the scenes. You get an idea of his coaching style. 

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Not sure how I’d feel about $9+ million a year for Skinner.  

$8.5M was really the highest I wanted them to go. But how can you lose a 40 goal scorer on a team that struggles mightily to score goals?  The only free agent that could truly replace him is Panarin, and there’s a 0% chance he comes here. 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Not sure how I’d feel about $9+ million a year for Skinner.  

$8.5M was really the highest I wanted them to go. But how can you lose a 40 goal scorer on a team that struggles mightily to score goals?  The only free agent that could truly replace him is Panarin, and there’s a 0% chance he comes here. 

 

 

If Skinner would not have had his mini-slump at the end of the season where he repeatedly missed an open net he would have scored 50 goals. If he would have capitalized on those additional  scoring chances his salary demand would have been even higher, around 9.5 plus. The one appealing aspect of Skinner's game is that his style of play on offense never varied even when he wasn't scoring. And another consideration when considering his value is that when playing with Jack and Reinhart he better than any of the players on the team and in the league is capable of converting those passes from his linemates. The point being that those talents of the other first line players are translated into production.

 

Most of the reporting on the contract talks is positive. So I'm not really worried about a deal getting done. The bigger issue is what other players are going to be brought in to upgrade the talent level. If the GM can add three good (not elite) players to the mix and with internal improvement from the young guys then this team with better coaching should be much more competitive. 

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14 hours ago, JohnC said:

If Skinner would not have had his mini-slump at the end of the season where he repeatedly missed an open net he would have scored 50 goals. If he would have capitalized on those additional  scoring chances his salary demand would have been even higher, around 9.5 plus. The one appealing aspect of Skinner's game is that his style of play on offense never varied even when he wasn't scoring. And another consideration when considering his value is that when playing with Jack and Reinhart he better than any of the players on the team and in the league is capable of converting those passes from his linemates. The point being that those talents of the other first line players are translated into production.

 

Most of the reporting on the contract talks is positive. So I'm not really worried about a deal getting done. The bigger issue is what other players are going to be brought in to upgrade the talent level. If the GM can add three good (not elite) players to the mix and with internal improvement from the young guys then this team with better coaching should be much more competitive. 

I'm still leery of giving him 8 yrs 9m$ on a career year. But the alternative is not pretty

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2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I'm still leery of giving him 8 yrs 9m$ on a career year. But the alternative is not pretty

What's the option? If you are not going to pay the market rate then get out of the business. This offseason a number of teams are going to have trouble squeezing in all the players they want to keep. It's a touch situation for a lot of teams. We are in a good financial (cap) situation to secure him. It needs to get done, and it will. 

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It's all about if Krueger can convince Skinner to stay. After losing high scorers Kane and O Reilly the Sabres can't afford to let Skinner go.

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1 minute ago, ALF said:

It's all about if Krueger can convince Skinner to stay. After losing high scorers Kane and O Reilly the Sabres can't afford to let Skinner go.

 

I'd imagine it's far more about money than it is about whether or not Krueger can makes a sales pitch.

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The same super secret source that said the coaching job was Tippet's if he wanted it, after the job had already been offered to Krueger?

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20 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

 

 

Crap. Now I’m thinking he won’t sign at all 😂

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