Mickey Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I didn't need analytics to reach this conclusion. It is a game of alternating possessions, the fewer your opponent gets, the fewer you get. If Tom Brady scores on 20% of his possessions and your offense scores on 5% of its possessions, you lose no matter how few possession each team has. Pass rush and hopefully turnovers on defense and on offense, score, score and score some more. In the end though, no amount of strategy is going to make up for a massive talent deficit. I'm hoping for 40mph winds tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said: I am saying that in the NFL as it is in 2018 it’s virtually impossible to stop a great QB. Our defense is nowhere near as talented as Eagles defense, but they could not even slow Brady down. Eagles head coach Pederson realized this, and went toe to toe, pass for pass, against the Pats. It was his only choice, and it worked. A run centered offense would have never kept pace with Brady that day - he knew he had to out score him, even with a limited/backup QB. Eagles only punted once. You said it twice so I'll bite. How is a limited QB able to drop laser dimes all night and put up 44pts to become SB MVP? Please sign me up for this kinda limited QB. Defenses in today's NFL mean pretty much jack squat. You need a arsenal on Offense to score at will to be competitive today. A strong pass rush is def worth while though to force erratic throws or take sacks. Our FO is playing checkers trying to build up our D. It better change next FA and draft or this tenure could be over during our at the end of 2019 Edited October 28, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIDE LEFT Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: You said it twice so I'll bite. How is a limited QB able to drop laser dimes all night and put up 44pts to become SB MVP? Please sign me up for this kinda limited QB. Defenses in today's NFL mean pretty much jack squat. You need a arsenal on Offense to score at will to be competitive today. A strong pass rush is def worth while though to force erratic throws or take sacks. Our FO is playing checkers trying to build up our D. It better change next FA and draft or this tenure could be over during our at the end of 2019 14 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: You said it twice so I'll bite. How is a limited QB able to drop laser dimes all night and put up 44pts to become SB MVP? Please sign me up for this kinda limited QB. Defenses in today's NFL mean pretty much jack squat. You need a arsenal on Offense to score at will to be competitive today. A strong pass rush is def worth while though to force erratic throws or take sacks. Our FO is playing checkers trying to build up our D. It better change next FA and draft or this tenure could be over during our at the end of 2019 Well this QB was/is so limited that he is currently a back up; thought about quitting football two years ago and in fact nobody in the NFL considers him more than a limited, backup QB. You think he is sitting on the bench because he is some type of hall of fame talent? A decent QB with a good offensive plan can, occasionally, produce great results. But just occasionally. See Ryan Fitzpatrick - but they do give you a chance - occasionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said: Well this QB was/is so limited that he is currently a back up; thought about quitting football two years ago and in fact nobody in the NFL considers him more than a limited, backup QB. You think he is sitting on the bench because he is some type of hall of fame talent? A decent QB with a good offensive plan can, occasionally, produce great results. But just occasionally. See Ryan Fitzpatrick - but they do give you a chance - occasionally Guess you missed the NFC championship game were he destroyed Minny with a 78% completion percentage? in 4 playoff games has a 1200yds with a 72% completion rate? He is so limited. He contemplated retirement which is true, that is the Jeff Fisher effect though. Goff thought about it as well with only one season. A incompetent Rams team at the time is why he is a current BU. Next year when he leaves to start elsewhere and joins a half competent team you will see the "Someone should be fired over Foles" threads on TBD forums. Again, please sign me up for limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said: This is a take you hear all the time; it’s treated like gospel - when facing a great QB, you should run the ball, control the clock and thus keep that great QB on the sideline. None of the “experts” who offer this advice ever bother to check just how successful that recommended strategy is. Why bother, it’s common sense right? Well analytics have reviewed this entire concept and discovered that this strategy is an overwhelming failure. The Buffalo Bills, ever oblivious to analytics, employed this very strategy when playing the Pats last year. Predictably ( if you bother to familiarize yourself with facts) they weren’t even competitive against the Pats last year - two losses by 20+ points each game. Well an “expert” would say, you have a very limited QB and u can’t go toe to toe with Brady blah blah blah. Well there was a team that faced this same situation- the Eagles last year heading into the Super Bowl. They had a very limited (backup) QB but a great defense, a defense far more talented than the Bills D. Experts would advise - play great D, run ball, control clock, keep Brady off the field. But Philly head coach Pederson does pay attention to analytics, and did just the opposite. His great & talented defense did not force the Pats to punt once during this game. A run first, ball/clock control offense would have been a disaster, as it was for the Bills last year and in many years past. Philadelphia won by paying attention to analytics. Whatever offensive philosophy Bills adopt tomorrow they will most likely lose. But a loss is guaranteed if they stick to what has been a miserable failure last year, and what analytics has shown to be a miserable failure overall. And I am confident that the Bills will stick to this formula that has never succeeded for them, and never will. Why base your decisions on evidence, when your “gut” tells you different. There may be a a day when Bills pay attention to analytics, but many losses will happen before that. Tomorrow night will be a disaster. Did you see the performance Foles put up in the playoffs? Backup or not, nothing about his performance in either the NFC championship game or the Super Bowl was “limited.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said: This is a take you hear all the time; it’s treated like gospel - when facing a great QB, you should run the ball, control the clock and thus keep that great QB on the sideline. None of the “experts” who offer this advice ever bother to check just how successful that recommended strategy is. Why bother, it’s common sense right? Well analytics have reviewed this entire concept and discovered that this strategy is an overwhelming failure. The Buffalo Bills, ever oblivious to analytics, employed this very strategy when playing the Pats last year. Predictably ( if you bother to familiarize yourself with facts) they weren’t even competitive against the Pats last year - two losses by 20+ points each game. Well an “expert” would say, you have a very limited QB and u can’t go toe to toe with Brady blah blah blah. Well there was a team that faced this same situation- the Eagles last year heading into the Super Bowl. They had a very limited (backup) QB but a great defense, a defense far more talented than the Bills D. Experts would advise - play great D, run ball, control clock, keep Brady off the field. But Philly head coach Pederson does pay attention to analytics, and did just the opposite. His great & talented defense did not force the Pats to punt once during this game. A run first, ball/clock control offense would have been a disaster, as it was for the Bills last year and in many years past. Philadelphia won by paying attention to analytics. Whatever offensive philosophy Bills adopt tomorrow they will most likely lose. But a loss is guaranteed if they stick to what has been a miserable failure last year, and what analytics has shown to be a miserable failure overall. And I am confident that the Bills will stick to this formula that has never succeeded for them, and never will. Why base your decisions on evidence, when your “gut” tells you different. There may be a a day when Bills pay attention to analytics, but many losses will happen before that. Tomorrow night will be a disaster. People need to stop using the word "analystics", as if they have any idea what it means or the context to which it's applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: Guess you missed the NFC championship game were he destroyed Minny with a 78% completion percentage? in 4 playoff games has a 1200yds with a 72% completion rate? He is so limited. He contemplated retirement which is true, that is the Jeff Fisher effect though. Goff thought about it as well with only one season. A incompetent Rams team at the time is why he is a current BU. Next year when he leaves to start elsewhere and joins a half competent team you will see the "Someone should be fired over Foles" threads on TBD forums. Again, please sign me up for limited ...and they will move him before the draft. his price will be stupid. make a play for him now or forever hold your picks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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