FBI Raids Office of Trump Lawyer Michael Cohen

[outsidethebox]

58 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

Those materials have already been in the hands of bad actors for hours, and the FBI has already demonstrated that it does not feel it needs to comply with the law.  Even if ordered to turn over all materials, they would not do so, or at least would not do so in a timely manner.  All material will be copied for the purpose of being disseminated via leaks.

How can anyone not see this is bad? Political parties aside, how can the accused (fbi) gain confidential information from the accusser? 

This could easily lead to blackmail. Are we now supposed to trust the fbi after all the illegal things they've done/doing?

This is not good, not good at all.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, westside said:

How can anyone not see this is bad? Political parties aside, how can the accused (fbi) gain confidential information from the accusser? 

This could easily lead to blackmail. Are we now supposed to trust the fbi after all the illegal things they've done/doing?

This is not good, not good at all.

Checks, that's how. It is not just the FBI but officials at the DOJ and judge that was presented facts to show it was necessary. 

 

That's how the system works. Political parties had nothing at all to do with this 

[outsidethebox]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Checks, that's how. It is not just the FBI but officials at the DOJ and judge that was presented facts to show it was necessary. 

 

That's how the system works. Political parties had nothing at all to do with this 

You actually think this isn't politically motivated? Seriously?

 

I wish peoplewould put politics aside and put the country first.  I could easily see how this can be used to blackmail or bribe someone for political gain.

When will this stop? What's going to happen to the next elected Democratic President. This tit for tat only snowballs into something that could potentially become the downfall of this great nation.

Or is that your goal in the end? Take this country down?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[row_33]

There's about 125 Michael Cohens listed as lawyers in NYC, hopefully they have the correct one this time before making huge assertions again.

 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Why the eye roll?

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

Why the eye roll?

 

Notice the language used... the warrant was "requested" for taxi medallions (ie - nothing to do with Trump), but CNN's sources state the warrant "also asked" for Stormy Daniels info. 

 

Words matter. They're being duplicitous in trying to make the latter statement seem like the actual reason for the raid.

 

It's not. 

 

But they're not interested in truth, nor is their audience. They're interested in pushing the narrative they've been breathlessly pushing (and losing) since last November. 

[Warren Zevon]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

So what is your take on this raid? 

 

See the below post. The post echoes DR's thoughts and even uses the same format DR's posts do.

 

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Reading this thread is incredible. I honestly would like to know what President Trump did to some of you that you want to see a sitting president gone in a soft coup. Schumer said it best when he said, "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you" ... and people cheer this behavior by our "intelligence community" on!? I've never understood the vitriol toward Trump by people who are not members of the unelected-political swap.

 

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Notice the language used... the warrant was "requested" for taxi medallions (ie - nothing to do with Trump), but CNN's sources state the warrant "also asked" for Stormy Daniels info. 

 

Words matter. They're being duplicitous in trying to make the latter statement seem like the actual reason for the raid.

 

It's not. 

 

But they're not interested in truth, nor is their audience. They're interested in pushing the narrative they've been breathlessly pushing (and losing) since last November. 

Well that part is understandable

 

But we need to see the link between NYC Taxi cabs and Russia. I'm thinking that Russia spies drove the taxis to collude with big time Trump powers to scheme

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, garybusey said:

 

See the below post. The post echoes DR's thoughts and even uses the same format DR's posts do.

 

English isn't a format. It's a language you continually demonstrate you struggle with comprehending.  

[Tiberius]

33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Notice the language used... the warrant was "requested" for taxi medallions (ie - nothing to do with Trump), but CNN's sources state the warrant "also asked" for Stormy Daniels info. 

 

Words matter. They're being duplicitous in trying to make the latter statement seem like the actual reason for the raid.

 

It's not. 

 

But they're not interested in truth, nor is their audience. They're interested in pushing the narrative they've been breathlessly pushing (and losing) since last November. 

And the FBI, Mueller, DOJ and a judge are all just Hillary crusaders? That's really far fetched 

[Deranged Rhino]

Of course it's far fetched. You said it - and you've proven your grasp on the truth, or reality, is tenuous at best. 

[LA Grant]

Shout out to Alan Dershowitz for providing conservatives with their talking points on this. How many times have you seen "this is a very dangerous day for lawyer-client relationships" today?

 

From defending OJ to defending Trump, Dershy is the morally upright citizen we should all look to emulate. ?

 

That defense only works if you (a) assume we already know everything about this case when we obviously only have a limited amount of information; (b) assume Cohen himself is not guilty of crimes as an individual bad actor, and he's only being targeted for his documents on Trump, despite Mueller decidedly not investigating Cohen as part of his case; (c) really really really really reaaaaaaally want the alternate reality you've already decided to be true ... to actually be true.

 

Here's some broader context on why shouting "ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE" at the moon does not apply. Thanks for trying though.

 

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Privileged communication in the context of the law goes something like this: An attorney and his or her client can't be forced to disclose those communications where the client is seeking or receiving legal advice from the attorney. They are "privileged" or protected so that a client is free to be totally honest with his legal representatives -- without fear of exposure.

But, there is a limitation to the attorney-client privilege -- exceptions that Trump doesn't seem to understand. And the specific limit here is something called the crime-fraud exception.

That exception does what its name suggests. If communications typically covered by attorney-client privilege are deemed to be "in furtherance of a current or a planned crime or fraud" then the privilege does not apply. In other words, if attorney-client privilege is being invoked to cover up an ongoing criminal act or a planned criminal act, that privilege is suspended over those communications. 

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Take all of that out of legal terminology and you get this: Cohen is in very deep trouble.

Josh Campbell, a former FBI special agent and now a CNN contributor, tweeted this on Monday night from one of his former colleagues: "I've been an FBI special agent for 20 years and have only seen a handful of searches executed on attorneys. All of those attorneys went to prison."

Now for some context.

We know that Cohen set up a limited liability corporation -- "Essential Consultants" -- in Delaware three weeks before the 2016 election. Ten days after he established the company -- and 11 days before the election -- Cohen paid porn star Stormy Daniels $130,000 through Essential Consultants as part of a hush agreement to ensure her silence about an alleged affair between she and Trump in the mid 2000s.

Cohen has said he made the payment from his own pocket, taking out a home equity line of credit to do so. He said he had no contact with Trump or anyone else in the Trump orbit and had no expectation he would be paid back in any way, shape or form for the six-figure pay out. Cohen has also insisted he didn't believe Daniels allegations, that he made the payment to her solely out of a desire to protect Trump from the airing of these scurrilous allegations. The timing of the payout -- so close to the 2016 election -- was purely coincidental, Cohen has said.

Here's an important note: If Cohen didn't tell Trump about the hush agreement -- as the two of them have claimed -- then the communications between them about it may not be privileged.

We also know that in the raid on Cohen on Monday, the FBI seized documents related to the Daniels case. (She has filed suit, alleging that the hush agreement is unenforceable because Trump never signed it.)

Tweeted Daniels lawyer Michael Avenatti on Tuesday morning: "I use the attorney-client privilege. I know the attorney-client privilege. The attorney-client privilege is a friend of mine. And the attorney-client privilege is not dead. What is dead is using the privilege to hide illegal acts. And that has been dead for a long time."

 

 

Of course... now the TakeYouToTrumper/DelusionalRINO types will need to find some other way to disguise their true message: "This is either an investigation into Hillary Pizzagate Deep State, or it's a witch hunt with no merit -- either way Trump good, Hillary bad! Trump good! Hillary bad! <tears swell> T-T-Trump g-g-g-good!!! <tears are just streaming down their bulbous cheeks at this point> H-H-H-Hill-Hillary.... b-bad! <full nervous breakdown>"

 

LET'S BE REAL — There is not a "both sides are equally guilty" to everything. Republicans/Conservatives are frauds, liars, hypocrites -- they only want to see "their team" win, and would happily sacrifice the rest of us to get that. Now you're seeing them (Tasker included) threaten violence because they don't personally like this criminal investigation.

 

Did Tasker threaten "civil war" when the FBI was investigating Hillary's emails? Did he threaten civil war when Congress demanded public release for virtually every email Hillary sent during her time as Secretary of State? 

 

These people are FULL OF IT, and they haven't been consistent on anything since AT LEAST the 1980s. 

 

There are no Republican intellectuals anymore. That's why they have no identity, no soul, no ideas. They are in it for vanity. Trump might as well be a tackier Kardashian (which is saying something). John Bolton is a goofy idiot from TV, and he's only one of SEVEN people Trump has put into power simply because they were pundits on Fox News.

 

Edited April 10, 2018 by LA Grant

[Deranged Rhino]

Projection is HILARIOUS when it's presented without the projector even being aware of the hypocrisy.  

[LA Grant]

18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Of course it's far fetched. You said it - and you've proven your grasp on the truth, or reality, is tenuous at best. 

 

??

Fun Fact: This is actually what Rhino says to himself in the mirror every morning.

 

Then he slaps himself repeatedly, NO!! Trump is innocent!! It must be true!! It IS true!!! ...<deep breath> It IS true. <deep breath> It is true.

[Deranged Rhino]

Proving my point yet again, LA Asshat.

[Tiberius]

23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Of course it's far fetched. You said it - and you've proven your grasp on the truth, or reality, is tenuous at best. 

So you are just down to throwing out insults now. It looks more like your grasp of the truth is whats in question 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, Tiberius said:

So you are just down to throwing out insults now. It looks more like your grasp of the truth is whats in question 

 

Don't forget this part of DR's bullsheeeeeeeet manifesto...

 

This is as much of a spiritual battle as it is a physical one which is why bullets won't win this war, only love and truth shall prevail. Sounds cheesy and hippy-dippy, I know. But it doesn't make it any less accurate. You simply cannot get a positive from a negative.

[LA Grant]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Proving my point yet again, LA Asshat.

 

I'm sure you think it does.  ?

 

But then again, I'm not the one who's spent the last year or so insisting 2 plus 2 equals 9.  ?

 

"Oh yeah, you're just gonna believe what the liberal mainstream education system tells you about arithmetic? <pulls out folder with 2,000 scribbled napkins spilling out> WELL LOOK AT THIS!!!"

[Deranged Rhino]

Some can't be reached. Others must be mocked for their own good. And a few are not interested in honest discussions, just insults - which are repaid in full.

 

You know which one you are, Garbear. 

Just now, LA Grant said:

 

I'm sure you think it does.  ?

 

But then again, I'm not the one who's spent the last year or so insisting 2 plus 2 equals 9.  ?

 

"Oh yeah, you're just gonna believe what the liberal mainstream education system tells you about arithmetic? <pulls out folder with 2,000 scribbled napkins spilling out> WELL LOOK AT THIS!!!"

 

You couldn't summarize my position if you had all day to do so. 

 

So forgive me for not giving a flip what you think of a position you admit you don't understand or haven't bothered to read. 

 

But please, LA Asshat, keep going. You're proving yourself to be a giant intellectual.