26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I never said somebody wasn't going to take a huge risk on him. They might. This entire discussion is whether the bills should. My entire argument with you is that you are shrugging off the injury and acting like he's gonna be 100% ready to rock minimal risk. We have a coach and gm who like healthy, low risk players (see: Sammy trade) My opinion is, based on his injury, we shouldn't go for him, as he is a massive injury risk, as well as a massive risk to not even return to the average at best form he displayed pre injury. Yet you continue to act like he's good to go, no problems, and refuse to acknowledge not only the severity of the injury, but also the factual evidence of the history of these injuries in others. What I posted is that they would need to perform a thorough examination to assess where he is before making any offer (as any team would do) and that's if they are interested to begin with. He isn't going to retire and will be playing in the NFL in 2018. What you want is an agreement that he isn't worth the risk and you simply do not know that without the benefit of firsthand knowledge irrespective of historical trends. WRT to the Sammy trade, it's rather ironic that he missed no games due to injury in 2017 while the guy he has traded for missed several and did not finish others. Edited January 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What I posted is that they would need to perform a thorough examination to assess where he is before making any offer (as any team would do) and that's if they are interested to begin with. He isn't going to retire and will be playing in the NFL in 2018. What you want is an agreement that he isn't worth the risk and you simply do not know that without the benefit of firsthand knowledge irrespective of historical trends. Actually, that is what historical data is used for, to assess risk. His risk is high, even if they believe he is healthy enough to play right now, nobody has any idea if that knee will hold up, or if he can even perform in a game, not just pass an MRI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: Actually, that is what historical data is used for, to assess risk. His risk is high, even if they believe he is healthy enough to play right now, nobody has any idea if that knee will hold up, or if he can even perform in a game, not just pass an MRI Historical data is not used alone to assess risk. The specifics of his physical condition based on examination would weigh into any decision as well as each case is different. He'll likely receive an incentive laden contract tied to his health/availability, but he's going to play in the NFL in '18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Historical data is not used alone to assess risk. The specifics of his physical condition based on examination would weigh into any decision as well as each case is different. He'll likely receive an incentive laden contract tied to his health/availability, but he's going to play in the NFL in '18. Yes he is. At least we agree on that. You need to stop with this "each case is different" in regards to this though. When over 80% who sustain this injury never return to PLOF then that is a huge risk, regardless of "case by case" basis. He will have an incentive laden contract because teams need qbs and they are willing to throw money at them, hoping for a miracle. Sure, somebody will eventually win the lottery, but even before an exam, he's too big a risk for us to bet the rent on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: Yes he is. At least we agree on that. You need to stop with this "each case is different" in regards to this though. When over 80% who sustain this injury never return to PLOF then that is a huge risk, regardless of "case by case" basis. He will have an incentive laden contract because teams need qbs and they are willing to throw money at them, hoping for a miracle. Sure, somebody will eventually win the lottery, but even before an exam, he's too big a risk for us to bet the rent on. Which means that 20% do, thus the reference to each case is different that I will continue to state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I like Teddie but I would go after younger and less injury prone options like McCarron or Smith way before Teddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Which means that 20% do, thus the reference to each case is different that I will continue to state. 20% can return to sport. The % that return to the same level though has much lower. I should have specified. His level wasn't amazing pre injury. So you are basically saying : "let's bet on a less than 20% chance can play at an average at best level again" That's not even taking into account the high risk of reinjury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: 20% can return to sport. The % that return to the same level though has much lower. I should have specified. His level wasn't amazing pre injury. So you are basically saying : "let's bet on a less than 20% chance can play at an average at best level again" That's not even taking into account the high risk of reinjury. Any associated risk will be mitigated by the language in the contract he receives. He will be examined and worked out to assess what he can and cannot do post injury. You post as if he'll blindly be signed to a contract. Edited January 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Any associated risk will be mitigated by the language in the contract he receives. He will be examined and worked out to assess what he can and cannot do post injury. You post as if he'll blindly be signed him to a contract. And you post as if he's hunky dory 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: And you post as if he's hunky dory 100% Sure I do. He's doomed and should immediately retire because he's destined to be reinjured because history and you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Sure I do. He's doomed and should immediately retire because he's destined to be reinjured because history and you say so. I'll take a greater than 80% wager any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 59 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Sure I do. He's doomed and should immediately retire because he's destined to be reinjured because history and you say so. Even though there is no way of knowing if he will injure his knee again, he will be susceptible to the same injury again more than other players. Put whatever chances you want on it. I am sure they will have specialists examine him if they are interested but if it happens again, there will be "I told you so" going around. You are right in that the contract can be incentive based but they will still invest time and a roster spot in him. I didnt just stay at a Holiday Inn last night, my wife does knees/hips and was a trainer for a pro team for 10 yrs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: Even though there is no way of knowing if he will injure his knee again, he will be susceptible to the same injury again more than other players. Put whatever chances you want on it. I am sure they will have specialists examine him if they are interested but if it happens again, there will be "I told you so" going around. You are right in that the contract can be incentive based but they will still invest time and a roster spot in him. I didnt just stay at a Holiday Inn last night, my wife does knees/hips and was a trainer for a pro team for 10 yrs. He could have a long career without sustaining another knee injury or he could get hurt again. We'll see. If players were worried about getting injured a 2nd time, there'd be a scarcity of good players. As for I told you so, I'll sleep well regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsfanAZ said: Even though there is no way of knowing if he will injure his knee again, he will be susceptible to the same injury again more than other players. Put whatever chances you want on it. I am sure they will have specialists examine him if they are interested but if it happens again, there will be "I told you so" going around. You are right in that the contract can be incentive based but they will still invest time and a roster spot in him. I didnt just stay at a Holiday Inn last night, my wife does knees/hips and was a trainer for a pro team for 10 yrs. Right, but our objective driven assessment of the situation doesn't matter to 26corner because his man crush holds more value in the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Right, but our objective driven assessment of the situation doesn't matter to 26corner because his man crush holds more value in the discussion. Man crush. Now you're just being silly. Thanks again PT Man. If I had a man crush it would be for a QB like Garropollo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Man crush. Now you're just being silly. Thanks again PT Man. If I had a man crush it would be for a QB like Garropollo. Your dismissive, condescending "PT man" doesn't really do much, other than show your immaturity and arrogance in regards to people who clearly have a more knowledge than you on a subject. I would agree with you on a Jimmy G crush though. Edited January 19, 2018 by SouthNYfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Man crush. Now you're just being silly. Thanks again PT Man. If I had a man crush it would be for a QB like Garropollo. I could get on the Garropollo man crush thing. My wife is a 49ers fan so we usually watch that game after the Bills. I had to explain who he was when they first traded for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Your dismissive, condescending "PT man" doesn't really do much, other than show your immaturity and arrogance in regards to people who clearly have a more knowledge than you on a subject. I would agree with you on a Jimmy G crush though. When you throw out silly arbitrary comments like man crush you deserve to be dsimissed and it sure as hell doesn't speak to any maturity on your part. In regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 40 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: When you throw out silly arbitrary comments like man crush you deserve to be dsimissed and it sure as hell doesn't speak to any maturity on your part. In regards. You referred to me with "okay, whatever you say PT man" earlier in the thread, prior to the man crush remark. Your responses give zero logical reasoning other than your subjective preference for bridgewater, while blatantly discounting and talking down numerous posts with statistical evidence as to why he is a large risk, which you continue to downplay. referring to it as a "man crush" is anything but arbitrary in this situation as it is the only logical inference to your blind adoration and defense of why he should be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: You referred to me with "okay, whatever you say PT man" earlier in the thread, prior to the man crush remark. Your responses give zero logical reasoning other than your subjective preference for bridgewater, while blatantly discounting and talking down numerous posts with statistical evidence as to why he is a large risk, which you continue to downplay. referring to it as a "man crush" is anything but arbitrary in this situation as it is the only logical inference to your blind adoration and defense of why he should be signed. Your reading comprehension is faulty. At no point in any post did I say that he should be signed. Beyond that your claim of firsthand knowledge is BS. You have general and historical understanding of his injury and noithing more. Dismissed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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