Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: we should pin this post and see where are in 2019. Yes, that is the approach we have taken as opposed to the last 17 years of cobble together some talent and lets see where we end up. The only thing McBeane did wrong is win some fluky games this year, and not play the Pats until late in the season. Had the Bills started out 3-6 with a thorough trouncing by the Pats in the books, none of this false optimism would have gotten him in the place where people now want to fire him. We would all be about next year, screaming to give the kid QB more reps, etc. I think the only mistake the tandem has made is getting sucked in by the fluky wins just as the fans did, and trading for Benjamin and if they let that affect their decision on the starting QB the rest of the year. FINALLY. Someone with a brain and a pair of balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said: Who do you recommend we hire? You cannot fire a coach every year. Sammy would be hurt by now and Dareus was horrible. He inherited a mess. GO back in history and look at coaches in their first year. Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, Vince Lombardi, Bill Belicheck, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Hank Stram, Tony Dungy, etc. All had losing records, fan base wanted them fired. What do they have in common - won super bowl and are or will be in Hall of Fame. But Sammy is healthy, and Dareus is part of an elite defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Having Drew Brees and Matt Ryan helps. It's all about the quarterback. If trading Watkins gives us the ammunition to draft our next Jim Kelly then it was a good move and it will define whether McDermott/Beane succeed here. As far as RB's go, you could have a dominant back take the bulk of the carries (see Todd Gurley and Le'veon Bell) or take a running backs by committee approach (Falcons, Pats, Saints). LOL. The constant excuse of Bills fans for the last seventeen years ... since sainted Ralph ran Wade Phillips out of town. Wade's QBs were Rob Johnson and Doug Flutie, neither one a HOFer. Andy Reid made Mike Vick into a reasonable facsimile of a good NFL QB for a while, and he resurrected Alex Smith at the end of his career. Mike Zimmer in Minnesota has had three different QBs in his four seasons as HC there and is leading the NFCN with an 8-2 record and Case Keenum as his QB. Then there's Doug Marrone. He got the Bills to a 9-7 record in 2014, 1 of only 2 winning seasons the team's recorded since Wade left, with Kyle Orton as his QB. Now he's got his Jags poised to take the AFCS with Brian Bortles as his QB. Keep whining about not have a QB ... while you think about how drafting Andrew Luck didn't bring sunshine and rainbows and playoff wins to Indy fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: we should pin this post and see where are in 2019. Yes, that is the approach we have taken as opposed to the last 17 years of cobble together some talent and lets see where we end up. The only thing McBeane did wrong is win some fluky games this year, and not play the Pats until late in the season. Had the Bills started out 3-6 with a thorough trouncing by the Pats in the books, none of this false optimism would have gotten him in the place where people now want to fire him. We would all be about next year, screaming to give the kid QB more reps, etc. I think the only mistake the tandem has made is getting sucked in by the fluky wins just as the fans did, and trading for Benjamin and if they let that affect their decision on the starting QB the rest of the year. Feel to free to save it on your own if you're so confident that your hero is going to be successful. I own my mistakes. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 35 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: we should pin this post and see where are in 2019. Yes, that is the approach we have taken as opposed to the last 17 years of cobble together some talent and lets see where we end up. The only thing McBeane did wrong is win some fluky games this year, and not play the Pats until late in the season. Had the Bills started out 3-6 with a thorough trouncing by the Pats in the books, none of this false optimism would have gotten him in the place where people now want to fire him. We would all be about next year, screaming to give the kid QB more reps, etc. Well said. We should look back and see who was saying it’s a tank year. Bet you find the ones that are bitching now are the ones that said we would tank. Only get 3-4 wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I don't know how many coaches we have to go through before everyone starts to realize these guys are all the same. They run the same plays, they have the same logic. Everything, down to the whether they choose to go for it on 4th down or not is scripted from coaches that went before them. Do you recall last year when Anthony Lynn said he had a chart he used to determine whether to go for it on 4th down or not, and when asked where it came from he didnt know? It came from other coaches. Coaching in the NFL is so similar that any deviation is negligible. Belichick's winning percentage prior to Brady was .427 (think Mike McCoy as a head coach) 1 winning season in five years (16%). After Brady everyone thinks he is a genius. Nothing changed except having Tom Brady. And its not limited to Belichick. Pete Carroll prior to Russell Wilson .489 winning pct, after .675 John without Manning .472, with Manning .791 It wont matter if its Rex, Jauron, McDermott etc...bottom line is until the Bills find a franchise Quarterback this will keep happening. But we are arguing about everything but the root cause here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, thenorthremembers said: I don't know how many coaches we have to go through before everyone starts to realize these guys are all the same. They run the same plays, they have the same logic. Everything, down to the whether they choose to go for it on 4th down or not is scripted from coaches that went before them. Do you recall last year when Anthony Lynn said he had a chart he used to determine whether to go for it on 4th down or not, and when asked where it came from he didnt know? It came from other coaches. Coaching in the NFL is so similar that any deviation is negligible. Belichick's winning percentage prior to Brady was .427 (think Mike McCoy as a head coach) 1 winning season in five years (16%). After Brady everyone thinks he is a genius. Nothing changed except having Tom Brady. And its not limited to Belichick. Pete Carroll prior to Russell Wilson .489 winning pct, after .675 John without Manning .472, with Manning .791 It wont matter if its Rex, Jauron, McDermott etc...bottom line is until the Bills find a franchise Quarterback this will keep happening. But we are arguing about everything but the root cause here. Awesome response to hyperemotion. Also, The Night is Dark and full of Terrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Awesome response to hyperemotion. Also, The Night is Dark and full of Terrors. Thank you sir. Man I love that show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Winter is coming. FWIW - GoT is Nates favorite show whats a good Christian kid doing watching soft porn and debauchery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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