26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, BigDingus said: Oh...now I see where the OP's love for Tyrod came from... You see nothing with a myopia affliction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Considering he has more targets and catches than McCoy he'd lead our team, no? And what competent QB would throw to their RB that much instead of Woods and Sammy? Not relative to the total number of team targets. I have another math lesson for you! LA Rams targets to WR's as a percentage of total: 66.6% Buffalo Bills targets to WR's: 49.8% WOAH! I'm shocked, aren't you? LA Rams targets to RB's: 18.4% Buffalo Bills targets to RB's: 24.3% Woooooooooow. It's almost like our crappy QB throws to his RB's way more than another team with a competent QB does, and to his WR's less than another team with a competent QB does. Almost like I said that, word for word. Thanks for playing. Edited December 28, 2017 by jmc12290 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Not relative to the total number of team targets. I have another math lesson for you! LA Rams targets to WR's as a percentage of total: 66.6% Buffalo Bills targets to WR's: 49.8% WOAH! I'm shocked, aren't you? LA Rams targets to RB's: 18.4% Buffalo Bills targets to RB's: 24.3% Woooooooooow. It's almost like our crappy QB throws to his RB's way more than another team with a competent QB does, and to his WR's less than another team with a competent QB does. Almost like I said that, word for word. Thanks for playing. So you're saying Tyrod used to be competent and forgot how to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: So you're saying Tyrod used to be competent and forgot how to play? Caveat: You're exchanging with someone who thinks highly of Jay Cutler and Trevor Siemian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: So you're saying Tyrod used to be competent and forgot how to play? Ha ha Tyrod at his best year with a full complement of WR's couldn't throw to them more than a second year player. Thanks for making my point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Ha ha Tyrod at his best year with a full complement of WR's couldn't throw to them more than a second year player. Thanks for making my point. Your point was that Tyrod throws to Shady too much instead of wide receivers. Then you established that a competent QB only throws to their RB 18% of the time. I point out that Tyrod had done that 2 of his 3 years, his first 2 years as a starter, and it makes your point? Okay, carry on. PS: Do you think his reluctance to throw to WRs this year has anything to do with 91 catches on 185 targets? Yikes! Did a double-check to see the updated numbers. 219 WR targets, 109 catches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Your point was that Tyrod throws to Shady too much instead of wide receivers. Then you established that a competent QB only throws to their RB 18% of the time. I point out that Tyrod had done that 2 of his 3 years, his first 2 years as a starter, and it makes your point? Okay, carry on. PS: Do you think his reluctance to throw to WRs this year has anything to do with 91 catches on 185 targets? Yikes! Did a double-check to see the updated numbers. 219 WR targets, 109 catches Yes, he does. Not only does Goff out target TT to his WR's by a significant amount, in every year he's played, but Tyrod only had 1 season (his first) in which he targeted his RB less than 19% of the time. Tyrod has never targeted his WR's as much as Goff does. Even with Watkins, Harvin, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan. Also Tyrod did not do that in 2 of his first three years. 19% is not the new 18%, just like second is not the new first. Do you read the stuff you post, or are you more interested in defending your boy at all costs? PS: Do you think his low catch rate has to do with uncatchable throws? Edited December 28, 2017 by jmc12290 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, jmc12290 said: Not only does Goff out target TT to his WR's by a significant amount, in every year he's played, but Tyrod only had 1 season (his first) in which he targeted his RB less than 19% of the time. Tyrod has never targeted his WR's as much as Goff does. Even with Watkins, Harvin, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan. Do you think any of this has to do with the kind of offense each plays in and their coaches philosophy and the plays being called? McVay (who I swear looks like a boy band singer) is very pass oriented with a good QB. Our team has been run first and play good D (at least that's the idea) in part because we don't have a QB that can run McVay's offense. Or WRs for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: PS: Do you think his low catch rate has to do with uncatchable throws? I think half of it is Zay alone, seriously. 71 Targets, 25 Catches. 5 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Yes, he does. Not only does Goff out target TT to his WR's by a significant amount, in every year he's played, but Tyrod only had 1 season (his first) in which he targeted his RB less than 19% of the time. Tyrod has never targeted his WR's as much as Goff does. Even with Watkins, Harvin, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan. Also Tyrod did not do that in 2 of his first three years. 19% is not the new 18%, just like second is not the new first. Do you read the stuff you post, or are you more interested in defending your boy at all costs? Where did you get your numbers by the way? Because Pro Football Reference has them with 299 WR targets, 97 RB targets, and 476 total targets. That put him at 62.8% to WR, and 20.4% to RB. Great math lesson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 SCHEIN NINE Stars who would benefit from a change After a tumultuous 2017 season, full of tension, injuries and constantly changing schemes, who should be shopping for a new squad? Adam Schein has nine players and coaches who would thrive next season with new jerseys. 3) Tyrod Taylor, quarterback, Buffalo Bills I like Tyrod Taylor. Always have, always will. I went bonkers when Sean McDermott inexplicably benched him for Nathan Peterman against the Chargers. Five first-half picks later, my initial intuition was validated: It was the worst coaching decision of the season. Now the Bills' interminable playoff drought might just continue courtesy of the tiebreaker the Bolts gained from that win. Ugh. Is Tyrod Taylor a superstar? No. But he's undoubtedly a legit NFL starter. In three years as the Bills' QB1, Taylor has piled up a 50:16 touchdown-to-interception ratio to go along with a 92.2 quarterback rating. That kind of production should be plenty enticing for teams like the Broncos, Jaguars, Giantsand Jets, among others (depending on draft position, coaching situation or playoff result). For the most part, McDermott has done a fine job in his first year as Buffalo's head man. He's changing the culture of a franchise that hasn't seen the playoffs since the last season of last millennium. But it's a shame how McDermott has treated Taylor -- that Week 11 benching was an epic fail that unnecessarily emasculated the veteran signal caller. There's just no coming back from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: SCHEIN NINE Stars who would benefit from a change 3) Tyrod Taylor, quarterback, Buffalo Bills I like Tyrod Taylor. Always have, always will. I went bonkers when Sean McDermott inexplicably benched him for Nathan Peterman against the Chargers. Five first-half picks later, my initial intuition was validated: It was the worst coaching decision of the season. Now the Bills' interminable playoff drought might just continue courtesy of the tiebreaker the Bolts gained from that win. Ugh. Is Tyrod Taylor a superstar? No. But he's undoubtedly a legit NFL starter. In three years as the Bills' QB1, Taylor has piled up a 50:16 touchdown-to-interception ratio to go along with a 92.2 quarterback rating. That kind of production should be plenty enticing for teams like the Broncos, Jaguars, Giantsand Jets, among others (depending on draft position, coaching situation or playoff result). For the most part, McDermott has done a fine job in his first year as Buffalo's head man. He's changing the culture of a franchise that hasn't seen the playoffs since the last season of last millennium. But it's a shame how McDermott has treated Taylor -- that Week 11 benching was an epic fail that unnecessarily emasculated the veteran signal caller. There's just no coming back from that. 50 TD's over 3 seasons will certainly have teams salivating. Will he he have 16 or 17 next year?? 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I think half of it is Zay alone, seriously. 71 Targets, 25 Catches. Where did you get your numbers by the way? Because Pro Football Reference has them with 299 WR targets, 97 RB targets, and 476 total targets. That put him at 62.8% to WR, and 20.4% to RB. Great math lesson! Also PFR. Edited December 28, 2017 by jmc12290 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: 50 TD's over 3 seasons will certainly have teams salivating. Will he he have 16 or 17 next year?? Also PFR. It's 64 TDs with rushing TDs included. Trevor Siemian and Jay Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's 64 TDs with rushing TDs included. Trevor Siemian and Jay Cutler. Ooooooh, 21 or 22!!! It's not like we in a world where QB's double that in a season. "Enticing" lol. Edited December 28, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: For the most part, McDermott has done a fine job in his first year as Buffalo's head man. He's changing the culture of a franchise that hasn't seen the playoffs since the last season of last millennium. But it's a shame how McDermott has treated Taylor -- that Week 11 benching was an epic fail that unnecessarily emasculated the veteran signal caller. There's just no coming back from that. Except we already did. Hotrod came back in for the second half, and then we won 3 out of the next 4. Exactly why can't one come back from that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Except we already did. Hotrod came back in for the second half, and then we won 3 out of the next 4. Exactly why can't one come back from that? He's saying Taylor will be with another team in '18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Ooooooh, 21 or 22!!! It's not like we in a world where QB's double that in a season. "Enticing" lol. Really? If you're waiting for Cam Newton's 2015 MVP Season or Aaron Rodgers' 2016 Season you're going to be waiting a while. Those are the only 2 QBs in the past 3 years. Nobody is on pace to get there this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: He's saying Taylor will be with another team in '18. We'll see. I hope he's wrong. I want to do what Seattle did. They brought back the previous years starter, Tarvaris Jackson who played OK the 2 years before but not great. They signed Matt Flynn. They drafted Russell Wilson. They went with the best of the three. Or the Vikings. They had Teddy. He got hurt they traded for Bradford. Then they signed Case. Any of their 3 QBs could start on most teams including ours. Why do we want to put all our QB eggs in one basket? Edited December 28, 2017 by reddogblitz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Really? If you're waiting for Cam Newton's 2015 MVP Season or Aaron Rodgers' 2016 Season you're going to be waiting a while. Those are the only 2 QBs in the past 3 years. Nobody is on pace to get there this year. Wentz and/or Watson might've done it. Luck did it in 2014. Peyton 2013. Brees 2012. Brees, Rodgers, Stafford 2011. Half of that is enticing. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Ooooooh, 21 or 22!!! It's not like we in a world where QB's double that in a season. "Enticing" lol. I want to join in on this. I know I shouldn't but I can't help it. 21 or 22 tds or less in a season in 2016: (Tyrod had 23) Cam Newton Carson Wentz Alex SMith Joe Flacco Andy Dalton Russel Wilson in 2015: (Tyrod had 24) Jameis Winston Matt Ryan Big Ben Alex Smith Marcus Mariota Tyrod is a middle of the road of the road starter. As much as you and others want to mock him that is what he is. The names i listed above are just the big names that Tyrod (gasp) finished better than in regards to tds. People are invested in the Bills emotionally so they judge Tyrod much harsher than other qbs. Mariota was very average to even sub par this year. Tyrod in his worst year as a starter outperformed him in passing tds, ints, and qb rating. Be honest did you know that before I posted or is Mariota a franchise qb in your opinion? The Bills should use their capital to try and upgrade the team at every spot including at QB. However they shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Tyrod is looked at around the league as a guy you can win with. Not a guy you win because of but there are only a handful of guys in the league that are like that. I get wanting a superstar at qb and want the same. Tyrod has done very well with the cards dealt to him. His # 1wr was traded in training camp, his #1 te was hurt for a good chunk of the year, there is no #2 rb. Prior to this year he led a very successful offense that scored a lot of points. He has a winning record in Buffalo. He isn't some savior and nobody in the "cot" thinks he is. He also isn't "the 30-35th best qb in the league." That's an asinine statement but I'll give you and others a shot. Name 29 better qbs than Tyrod. I'll wait... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 33 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Do you think any of this has to do with the kind of offense each plays in and their coaches philosophy and the plays being called? McVay (who I swear looks like a boy band singer) is very pass oriented with a good QB. Our team has been run first and play good D (at least that's the idea) in part because we don't have a QB that can run McVay's offense. Or WRs for that matter. I would imagine an offensive coordinator's approach and play-calling options are greatly enhanced (Brady/McDaniels) or severely limited (Taylor/Take your pick) by the ability of the player running the offense every play. We need to find that guy and stop pretending that our current guy who can't do any of those things is just outside the top tier of QBs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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