Should we develop an offense similar to the K-Gun?

[Doc]

K Gun named after Keith McKeller. I suppose it now would be called the Clay Gun.

 

LOL!

 

And I think they do want to run the K(Clay)-Gun of sorts. They talked about wanting to be able to run multiple plays from one formation.

[boyst]

A no-huddle doesn't have to be a hurry-up. A QB can stand at the line and use it to cut off defensive sub's with the threat of a snap, but he can still run off a lot of clock and keep the O (relatively) fresh.

 

What bothers me more for the current Bills is that the K-Gun worked so well because everyone knew their assignments and executed them so well. Maybe it was a byproduct of the simplified game plans -- a limited number of plays to start with. Plus quality players executing at so many positions, not just the HOFers. But I'm not ready to expect the current O knows their assignments as well. The more deliberate calls made in a huddle make more sense to me than the shorthand signals called at the line.

if the offense subs the defense must be allowed to.

[K-9]

if the offense subs the defense must be allowed to.

That's why the offense keeps the same personnel on the field to run a hurry up once they get a match-up package they like. That's why Brady and the Pats*** are so hard to defend.

[row_33]

That's why the offense keeps the same personnel on the field to run a hurry up once they get a match-up package they like. That's why Brady and the Pats*** are so hard to defend.

Elite QBs get to the line with plenty of time on the clock to read the D, make easy adjustments, yell OMAHA a lot and bail out in .2 seconds after the snap for a gain.

 

Others.... well they walk slowly up the field looking for the play from the sidelines, which isn't quite ready until 15 seconds have dribbled away and you can't read the D and take whatever you can make up on the fly.

[xRUSHx]

Yes sir

Haha, play to Tyrods strengths? Just like they did in 2016, that sure helped get us to the playoffs didn't it.SMH

Can't run a K-gun with a QB not good enough to run even a basic stripped down simplified pop-gun.

Edited May 30, 2017 by xRUSHx

[K-9]

Elite QBs get to the line with plenty of time on the clock to read the D, make easy adjustments, yell OMAHA a lot and bail out in .2 seconds after the snap for a gain.

 

Others.... well they walk slowly up the field looking for the play from the sidelines, which isn't quite ready until 15 seconds have dribbled away and you can't read the D and take whatever you can make up on the fly.

Elite QBs are key. The majority of QBs in this league can't run a hurry-up offense because of the recognition issues you allude to. NE*** takes it to another level by waiting to catch you in an unfavorable sub package and then they go to a fast paced, no huddle scheme that takes advantage of the match ups.

 

But it all comes back to having a QB that can handle that.

[row_33]

Elite QBs are key. The majority of QBs in this league can't run a hurry-up offense because of the recognition issues you allude to. NE*** takes it to another level by waiting to catch you in an unfavorable sub package and then they go to a fast paced, no huddle scheme that takes advantage of the match ups.

 

But it all comes back to having a QB that can handle that.

 

a small review a month or two ago showed me about 1/3 of the teams have had a franchise QB for a half dozen years or so... it was more than I first thought.

 

so it's not that rare to have a good to elite QB at the helm.

 

Hopefully TT's weaknesses will be worked on to get him into the top 1/3 for 2017 and 2018.

[Luxy312]

In terms of the K-gun, the Bills don't have the QB to run that. It's easy to be realistic in making this assessment when we simply look at the 2-minute offenses that we've seen in the last two seasons. When I think about what the Bills had in the 90's, that's essentially what they ran almost the whole time they were on the field. It's just not this team. I like the enthusiasm of wanting to get back what we had almost 25 years ago, but realistic it is not.

[K-9]

 

a small review a month or two ago showed me about 1/3 of the teams have had a franchise QB for a half dozen years or so... it was more than I first thought.

 

so it's not that rare to have a good to elite QB at the helm.

 

Hopefully TT's weaknesses will be worked on to get him into the top 1/3 for 2017 and 2018.

We'll have to agree to disagree about the number of great QBs in this league. I count five, tops.

 

TT's weaknesses, as illustrated so far, don't lend themselves well to a fast-paced offense. He's been a disaster in 2-minute offenses for the most part. That said, the last time I saw him play, it was his best game from a command standpoint to date. And Dennison's offense seems to suit him well so I don't think it's impossible for him to get to a higher level.

[row_33]

We'll have to agree to disagree about the number of great QBs in this league. I count five, tops.

 

TT's weaknesses, as illustrated so far, don't lend themselves well to a fast-paced offense. He's been a disaster in 2-minute offenses for the most part. That said, the last time I saw him play, it was his best game from a command standpoint to date. And Dennison's offense seems to suit him well so I don't think it's impossible for him to get to a higher level.

 

I go with the view that Seattle was his Signature Game last year.

 

Hoping and wishing and praying and watching things get a heckova lot better real quick.

 

An OC who believes in calling a series of plays instead of standing there thinking...... and then coming up with something would be nice.

 

TT has to be able to handle this.

[K-9]

 

I go with the view that Seattle was his Signature Game last year.

 

Hoping and wishing and praying and watching things get a heckova lot better real quick.

 

An OC who believes in calling a series of plays instead of standing there thinking...... and then coming up with something would be nice.

 

TT has to be able to handle this.

Seattle was a great game for him, too. But in re-re-reviewing the All 22 of the Miami game, I think he was better vs. Miami than in Seattle especially from a command standpoint. He had Miami defenders moving around all day long. Something I hadn't seen much of to that point.

[row_33]

Yup, Miami was a very good game as well. Seattle had more exposure and an opponent I valued way more than the Fish...

[boyst]

That's why the offense keeps the same personnel on the field to run a hurry up once they get a match-up package they like. That's why Brady and the Pats*** are so hard to defend.

if we are specifically gearing up to face the patriots** we will lose 16 games.

 

Belichiq has athleticism and prowess with intelligence to make up for this. Not to mention as we have seen players getting "injured.". You send in your 2 down LB. He limps a little. Hold on, the 3rd down specialist can come in.

 

You can't outsmart or out cheat the patriots

[Capco]

And Taylor takes off running for the 1st down.

 

That wouldn't be a problem for any team with DEs/OLBs that can set the edge well and play containment. Pressure up the middle with outside containment is Taylor's kryptonite. By going PA every play, it's a lot harder to get that quick release since you have to fake it to the back every snap. Even if it's only for a second, that's still significant, and just buys more time for the inside rush to develop.

 

The only team I can even remotely see this idea working for is Dallas, since you'd need a mobile QB, an amazing offensive line, and big threats at WR, TE, and HB.