Lothar Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I'm a TT guy and believe we have more pressing needs with our first three picks. In no particular order, OT, S, WR, DB are more pressing needs. We don't have a 4th round pick, so it'll be 5th or worse if we don't make trades. However, I'm all about making trades and picking up extra picks. To me, I think the QB's are all hit or miss in this draft and we could see a lot of guys fall to the 3rd or 4th round. With that being said, who would you like to see us grab in the 4th (with a trade) or 5th round? I think there's a chance that Webb falls to the late 3rd, but I don't see us drafting a guy we didn't interview. Overall, I see Peterman out of Pitt in the 5th round to us. I'm of the belief you take the best QB you can find unless you want a project QB. But we already have our project QB in Cardale. Either you go for the gusto in Round 1 (maybe with a trade down) or forget about QB this year. Does Peterman or Dobbs or heck, even Kelly, offer that much more potential than Jones? I don't think so. I'm not a fan of getting another project QB unless it's as a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I'm of the belief you take the best QB you can find unless you want a project QB. But we already have our project QB in Cardale. Either you go for the gusto in Round 1 (maybe with a trade down) or forget about QB this year. Does Peterman or Dobbs or heck, even Kelly, offer that much more potential than Jones? I don't think so. I'm not a fan of getting another project QB unless it's as a free agent. The point of drafting a Dobbs is you are looking for someone that can start as a decent, cheap backup with some potential to be more. Cardale was a lottery ticket that might not even make the team this year. Only the Bills know if he has made any progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 The point of drafting a Dobbs is you are looking for someone that can start as a decent, cheap backup with some potential to be more. Cardale was a lottery ticket that might not even make the team this year. Only the Bills know if he has made any progress. There were enough positive comments coming out of the Bills organization that Cardale was doing well with the scout team toward the end of last year. I think Cardale is less of a flyer than Dobbs and you really can't have multiple project QBs stashed away on your team. 1 starter, 1 backup, 1 project QB and possible training camp fodder to compete with the project QB. Maybe you think these guys are less of a flyer than Cardale. I don't. Also from an earlier post wanting the Miami QB, the only 2 games I saw Kaaya play, he was clearly the worst player on the field - not just bad as a QB. I remember watching and thinking, "he has no feel for the pocket, looks rattled under pressure and has a scattershot arm" - I'm shocked that people think he'll even be a backup in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) There were enough positive comments coming out of the Bills organization that Cardale was doing well with the scout team toward the end of last year. I think Cardale is less of a flyer than Dobbs and you really can't have multiple project QBs stashed away on your team. 1 starter, 1 backup, 1 project QB and possible training camp fodder to compete with the project QB. Maybe you think these guys are less of a flyer than Cardale. I don't. Also from an earlier post wanting the Miami QB, the only 2 games I saw Kaaya play, he was clearly the worst player on the field - not just bad as a QB. I remember watching and thinking, "he has no feel for the pocket, looks rattled under pressure and has a scattershot arm" - I'm shocked that people think he'll even be a backup in the NFL. Tyrod's pay goes to 18 million next year. I don't expect him to be here. That leaves Cardale and Yates? No, none of these guys stop me from drafting a Mahomes and a Dobbs. Dobbs is way less risky than Cardale. His ceiling might not be as high but his floor is much higher. I could see Dobbs being a #2 this year on a team. We shall see what Cardale has. When he played against the Jets he looked nowhere near ready for anything. Edited April 13, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Brad Kaaya, if he's there in the 4th. https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/01/16/rsp-film-room-no-90-qb-brad-kaaya-extended-look/ Kaaya seems to have it upstairs too. Game film and ability are great. But just watching this kid interact and listening to him makes me think he has more potential then most. If you ask me he seems brighter and has more leadership qualities than Kizer and Trubisky. Watson has those leadership traits when it come to personality. But we are talking potential 4th round here so I take Kaaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) Kaaya seems to have it upstairs too. Game film and ability are great. But just watching this kid interact and listening to him makes me think he has more potential then most. If you ask me he seems brighter and has more leadership qualities than Kizer and Trubisky. Watson has those leadership traits when it come to personality. But we are talking potential 4th round here so I take Kaaya. Kaaya seems fundamentally flawed with his inability to deal with pressure. If he gets flustered in the college game, how's he going he going to handle adversity in the NFL?See Walter Football analysis below: "There are two crippling issues that Kaaya fails to overcome. The first is whenever he starts feeling the pass rush, he drops his eyes and watches the defensive linemen swarm around him. On top of that, he is a statue in the pocket and rarely do you see him move to avoid rushers. There are lots of plays on which Kaaya looked like a deer in headlights who was just waiting to be tackled. Effective NFL quarterbacks keep their eyes downfield, glide in the pocket to avoid rushers, and deliver accurate passes in the face of a rush. It was a very rare sight to see Kaaya do that. Kaaya's struggles to pass the ball while under pressure are a huge problem that could lead to him not panning out in the NFL." Tyrod's pay goes to 18 million next year. I don't expect him to be here. That leaves Cardale and Yates? No, none of these guys stop me from drafting a Mahomes and a Dobbs. Dobbs is way less risky than Cardale. His ceiling might not be as high but his floor is much higher. I could see Dobbs being a #2 this year on a team. We shall see what Cardale has. When he played against the Jets he looked nowhere near ready for anything. Good points. We have a difference of opinion on Dobbs. But if we don't pick Trubisky or Mahomes (not necessarily sold on either), I'm not counting on a miracle from the sky flyer in the later rounds. Edited April 13, 2017 by Lothar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Good points. We have a difference of opinion on Dobbs. But if we don't pick Trubisky or Mahomes (not necessarily sold on either), I'm not counting on a miracle from the sky flyer in the later rounds. I wish I was where you are. I wish I believed that all of the QB's were terrible and that all we need to do is fill out the roster and pick linebackers and corners for McD's scheme. But I like Trubisky and love Mahomes. Bills will look foolish once again if we pass on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I wish I was where you are. I wish I believed that all of the QB's were terrible and that all we need to do is fill out the roster and pick linebackers and corners for McD's scheme. But I like Trubisky and love Mahomes. Bills will look foolish once again if we pass on them. In your opinion, not a fact and not dumb to some who believe this QB class is filled with question marks. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Besides the top guys, none of these guys really interest me. Peterman is a backup type at best and Dobbs will struggle to even make a team. & we have Jones as a developmental qb. Go big or go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Besides the top guys, none of these guys really interest me. Peterman is a backup type at best and Dobbs will struggle to even make a team. & we have Jones as a developmental qb. Go big or go home. Too much uncertainty for me with any of the top guys. Like you said Cardale is there and it is never a bad idea to add another late round option like Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Trade back get another second and a 4th. Get jake butt in the 2nd. Take jerod Evans a little later as I think he could develop. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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