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5 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

You probably did see me - I was the one that looked simply fabulous! It wasn't the usual crowd, that's for sure. But that's not why I'm posting.

 

Remarkably Pete is back today!! Vientos is the casualty as he got sent down. I'm fine with that because it made absolutely no sense that they brought him up only to have him ride the pine more often than not.

 

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Maybe I did see you! Was that you in the orange & blue feather boa and matching heels? Outstanding!

 

I was shocked to see Pete back already but he looked rusty. In all honesty, he wasn't contributing much at the time he was injured. He needs to get back into the groove sooner rather than later although I'm not sure at this point if it even matters. After winning two in a row, they dropped 2 out of 3 to an old team with the worst record in the NL...at home...and now head to Houston. They were already 5 games out of the final Wild Card spot heading into today and they simply cannot get on a roll. The division is also no longer in play and Buck continues to irritate me, as well. He brought in Robertson today in the 8th in a 7-7 tie and did not bring him back for the 9th despite having only thrown 8 pitches. In comes Ottavino in the 9th to serve up a meat pitch to Arenado. Game over. You can't save Robertson for Houston as they may not even be in the game. Go for the win at hand and worry about tomorrow's game tomorrow. Then, to pour salt in the wound, he uses Vogelbach to PH in the 9th. You saw Vogie's only highlight of the year the other night after a 9 day 'mental rest' hiatus and Buck acts like the big man has suddenly turned the corner by going back to him. One good AB does not make up for a horrible season. I agree 100% on Vientos. He should have been sent down if he wasn't going to get sufficient playing time and his use/non-use during his call-up was a travesty on the part of the manager and the front office. But, hey, at least Danny V is tan, rested and ready... 

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@ExWNYer @Gugny @SinceThe70s

 

I watched the highlights this weekend.  All I could say is it's like bizarre to me this team is a Buck coached team.  The mental image of him I had prior to this year was fundamentally sound baseball were his teams bread and butter.  And if you made errors in the field like the team did this weekend he'd sit you down to make an example.  I think I recall even Mike Francesa telling stories about him and his time with the Yankees that he drove the team nuts with his micromanaging the smallest of details like shoelaces.  

 

 

Perhaps he's just at a point where he's burnt out giving as much as he did in his life to the game.  

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49 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

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I watched the highlights this weekend.  All I could say is it's like bizarre to me this team is a Buck coached team.  The mental image of him I had prior to this year was fundamentally sound baseball were his teams bread and butter.  And if you made errors in the field like the team did this weekend he'd sit you down to make an example.  I think I recall even Mike Francesa telling stories about him and his time with the Yankees that he drove the team nuts with his micromanaging the smallest of details like shoelaces.  

 

 

Perhaps he's just at a point where he's burnt out giving as much as he did in his life to the game.  


Today’s loss had bad fielding and we lost because Buck left a pitcher in too long. 
 

I wonder if Joe Girardi has the itch. 

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29 minutes ago, Gugny said:


Today’s loss had bad fielding and we lost because Buck left a pitcher in too long. 
 

I wonder if Joe Girardi has the itch. 

Yeah remember a few years ago in the Brodie GM days when we all wanted Girardi as manager and were upset he wasn't picked?    And Buck we or at least I thought there was never a chance as he'd laugh and having lineups forced on him by the higher ups.  Ironic much now?  

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3 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

Yeah remember a few years ago in the Brodie GM days when we all wanted Girardi as manager and were upset he wasn't picked?    And Buck we or at least I thought there was never a chance as he'd laugh and having lineups forced on him by the higher ups.  Ironic much now?  


I wanted Girardi, big time. BVW and the Wilpons were why he wanted nothing to do with it, IMO. Hopefully the new regime is more attractive to him. I’d love to have him. 
 

I love Buck. Loved the hire. But there is clearly something wrong. 

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1 hour ago, Gugny said:


I wanted Girardi, big time. BVW and the Wilpons were why he wanted nothing to do with it, IMO. Hopefully the new regime is more attractive to him. I’d love to have him. 
 

I love Buck. Loved the hire. But there is clearly something wrong. 

 

I get that folks are pointing the finger at Buck but I'm not buying in - although I'll admit to listening to the argument.

 

To me this season has been all about the pitching:

- started with the shaky proposition of relylng on Scherzer and Verlander

- losing Diaz was devastating and shortened the bullpen

- Quintana hasn't thrown a pitch - straining the weakened bullpen

- Carrasco, Peterson and Megill have all sucked - straining the weakened bullpen

- Verlander started the season on IR and has been average  - straining the weakened bullpen

- Scherzer  has been average and willingly missed time due to the sticky stuff -  straining the weakened bullpen

 

I tend to be overly optimistic but this looks like a lost season. For position players:

 

😄 excited about Alvarez - he has crushed at the plate at every level

1B: no need to think about this position until we have a hard time signing Pete - but would like to see a higher batting average

2B: between McNeil and maybe Mauricio I think we are OK

SS: great fielder, power bat but the batting average is way too low

3B: we're rolling with Baty - and maybe Vientos. Fingers crossed

LF: Pham is trade bait, Canha is a 4th OFer. McNeil in LF with Mauricio is intriguing

CF: Nimmo is fine but would be better off in LF

RF: Marte has been a big disappointment since he got hurt last year. I'm not giving up on him yet but RF is a big red flag if he doesn't return to form

DH: this has been a black hole. Not sure whether I put that on Buck or the GM.

 

 

 

 

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Just now, SinceThe70s said:

 

I get that folks are pointing the finger at Buck but I'm not buying in - although I'll admit to listening to the argument.

 

To me this season has been all about the pitching:

- started with the shaky proposition of relylng on Scherzer and Verlander

- losing Diaz was devastating and shortened the bullpen

- Quintana hasn't thrown a pitch - straining the weakened bullpen

- Carrasco, Peterson and Megill have all sucked - straining the weakened bullpen

- Verlander started the season on IR and has been average  - straining the weakened bullpen

- Scherzer  has been average and willingly missed time due to the sticky stuff -  straining the weakened bullpen

 

I tend to be overly optimistic but this looks like a lost season. For position players:

 

😄 excited about Alvarez - he has crushed at the plate at every level

1B: no need to think about this position until we have a hard time signing Pete - but would like to see a higher batting average

2B: between McNeil and maybe Mauricio I think we are OK

SS: great fielder, power bat but the batting average is way too low

3B: we're rolling with Baty - and maybe Vientos. Fingers crossed

LF: Pham is trade bait, Canha is a 4th OFer. McNeil in LF with Mauricio is intriguing

CF: Nimmo is fine but would be better off in LF

RF: Marte has been a big disappointment since he got hurt last year. I'm not giving up on him yet but RF is a big red flag if he doesn't return to form

DH: this has been a black hole. Not sure whether I put that on Buck or the GM.

 

 

 

 


This is pretty much where I’ve been … but the lack of discipline in the field and on the bases just tells me it’s uninspired baseball. 
 

I have a hard time blaming Buck, but I’m really starting to think about it as the season continues. 
 

Im not calling for his head by any means. But I do think girardi would be an upgrade and could be a spark. 
 

I really don’t know. 

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4 minutes ago, Gugny said:


This is pretty much where I’ve been … but the lack of discipline in the field and on the bases just tells me it’s uninspired baseball. 
 

I have a hard time blaming Buck, but I’m really starting to think about it as the season continues. 
 

Im not calling for his head by any means. But I do think girardi would be an upgrade and could be a spark. 
 

I really don’t know. 

 

It's kind of crazy how they played inspired/smart ball last year when things were going well - and now we're seeing poor play. I'm still in Buck's corner - but more willing to consider dissenting opinions. Pretty much where I'm at with McD too.

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14 hours ago, Another Fan said:

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I watched the highlights this weekend.  All I could say is it's like bizarre to me this team is a Buck coached team.  The mental image of him I had prior to this year was fundamentally sound baseball were his teams bread and butter.  And if you made errors in the field like the team did this weekend he'd sit you down to make an example.  I think I recall even Mike Francesa telling stories about him and his time with the Yankees that he drove the team nuts with his micromanaging the smallest of details like shoelaces.  

 

 

Perhaps he's just at a point where he's burnt out giving as much as he did in his life to the game.  

 

13 hours ago, Gugny said:


I wanted Girardi, big time. BVW and the Wilpons were why he wanted nothing to do with it, IMO. Hopefully the new regime is more attractive to him. I’d love to have him. 
 

I love Buck. Loved the hire. But there is clearly something wrong. 

 

10 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

It's kind of crazy how they played inspired/smart ball last year when things were going well - and now we're seeing poor play. I'm still in Buck's corner - but more willing to consider dissenting opinions. Pretty much where I'm at with McD too.

 

I keep telling myself I'm not going to watch them anymore this season but my addiction keeps sucking me back into watching. I did turn the channel when they got down, 5-1, on Friday and saved myself. I missed most of Saturday (the lone win) due to plans with friends but, unfortunately, watched all of the sh*t show on Sunday. The most disappointing thing to me is that they are not fun to watch. I like elements of this squad but there is nothing fun or entertaining about watching the highest payroll in baseball continually shoot themselves in the foot and invent new and excruciating ways to lose. There are too many talented players and coaches (Buck & Hefner) for this team to be an also-ran laughingstock sitting 15 games out of first place and eight...yes, EIGHT...games out of the LAST Wild Card spot in June. Holy cripes...

 

Let me start off about Buck by saying that I like him...I wanted him as the manager. But he has frustrated me time and again this year with (IMO) his mismanagement of the bullpen. I am on record several times...you guys have seen it before. I know he's not managing with a full arsenal at his disposal but he's bungling what he does have. That said, he didn't go from winning 101 games and NL Manager of the year to not knowing anything about baseball but, as you guys said, he has always been known for preaching fundies and this is one of the most head-scratchingly bad fundamental teams in all of baseball. It's beyond perplexing. They don't have the margin of error for the kinds of mental & physical errors they are committing. Admittedly, Buck has forgotten more about baseball than I will ever know but, at some point, even the shelf life of the good ones runs out. This mess isn't entirely on him but he certainly should be held accountable for some of it. And a big "F*CK NO!" to Joe Girardi. I wanted him at one point, too, but have you already forgotten how putrid the Philthies were under his misdirection? They didn't take off until they canned his rigid ass and went in another direction. I'd rather stick with Buck or give Beltran his shot than bring in the crew-cut with the stench of both the Skanks & Philthies on him. That ship has sailed and is a hard pass for me. JMO

 

Lastly, I don't think a managerial shakeup will do anything for this current rag-tag amalgamation of misfit toys. They are poorly put together by one Billy Eppler. I can't stand him and would welcome his firing today. He assembled this awful bullpen. There were better options still on the market but he chose to go with guys who had options so he could have the flexibility to call them up and move them down. How the fug has that worked out for you, Billy?? The 2023 NY Mess have lost 12 games already...TWELVE...when scoring 6 or more runs in a game. That is mind-blowing and the most in MLB. They have also allowed the most HRs in all of baseball. Between this Mets team and the constant infestation of trolls on the main boards starting 'Trade Diggs...he's a cancer' threads or 'McDermott sucks' threads, this has been a miserable sports summer. Have a great week, gentlemen. I'm headed to WNY on Friday for a much needed week of R&R with family.

 

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7 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

 

 

 

I keep telling myself I'm not going to watch them anymore this season but my addiction keeps sucking me back into watching. I did turn the channel when they got down, 5-1, on Friday and saved myself. I missed most of Saturday (the lone win) due to plans with friends but, unfortunately, watched all of the sh*t show on Sunday. The most disappointing thing to me is that they are not fun to watch. I like elements of this squad but there is nothing fun or entertaining about watching the highest payroll in baseball continually shoot themselves in the foot and invent new and excruciating ways to lose. There are too many talented players and coaches (Buck & Hefner) for this team to be an also-ran laughingstock sitting 15 games out of first place and eight...yes, EIGHT...games out of the LAST Wild Card spot in June. Holy cripes...

 

Let me start off about Buck by saying that I like him...I wanted him as the manager. But he has frustrated me time and again this year with (IMO) his mismanagement of the bullpen. I am on record several times...you guys have seen it before. I know he's not managing with a full arsenal at his disposal but he's bungling what he does have. That said, he didn't go from winning 101 games and NL Manager of the year to not knowing anything about baseball but, as you guys said, he has always been known for preaching fundies and this is one of the most head-scratchingly bad fundamental teams in all of baseball. It's beyond perplexing. They don't have the margin of error for the kinds of mental & physical errors they are committing. Admittedly, Buck has forgotten more about baseball than I will ever know but, at some point, even the shelf life of the good ones runs out. This mess isn't entirely on him but he certainly should be held accountable for some of it. And a big "F*CK NO!" to Joe Girardi. I wanted him at one point, too, but have you already forgotten how putrid the Philthies were under his misdirection? They didn't take off until they canned his rigid ass and went in another direction. I'd rather stick with Buck or give Beltran his shot than bring in the crew-cut with the stench of both the Skanks & Philthies on him. That ship has sailed and is a hard pass for me. JMO

 

Lastly, I don't think a managerial shakeup will do anything for this current rag-tag amalgamation of misfit toys. They are poorly put together by one Billy Eppler. I can't stand him and would welcome his firing today. He assembled this awful bullpen. There were better options still on the market but he chose to go with guys who had options so he could have the flexibility to call them up and move them down. How the fug has that worked out for you, Billy?? The 2023 NY Mess have lost 12 games already...TWELVE...when scoring 6 or more runs in a game. That is mind-blowing and the most in MLB. They have also allowed the most HRs in all of baseball. Between this Mets team and the constant infestation of trolls on the main boards starting 'Trade Diggs...he's a cancer' threads or 'McDermott sucks' threads, this has been a miserable sports summer. Have a great week, gentlemen. I'm headed to WNY on Friday for a much needed week of R&R with family.

 

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I awaited getting a notification with your thoughts saying how you really feel about the latest debacles.  As always you did not disappoint! 

 

Enjoy the week as well 

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@Gugny @ExWNYer @Another Fan

 

I like Buck but...

 

Tonight there was a HBP called where the Brewer may have swung but got the call. Buck was p!sssed with the call showed his displeasure -  but didn't make a scene - until the next batter got a big hit and then Buck blew a gasket and got tossed.

 

Buck should have blown the gasket and gotten tossed at the point of the call, not after the fact. 

 

...I am willing to question whether what  he brings to the table is enough

 

 

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8 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

@Gugny @ExWNYer @Another Fan

 

I like Buck but...

 

Tonight there was a HBP called where the Brewer may have swung but got the call. Buck was p!sssed with the call showed his displeasure -  but didn't make a scene - until the next batter got a big hit and then Buck blew a gasket and got tossed.

 

Buck should have blown the gasket and gotten tossed at the point of the call, not after the fact. 

 

...I am willing to question whether what  he brings to the table is enough

 

 

 

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And in yet another lost Mets season...on a night when their manager gets tossed during a typical 'rinse and repeat' home loss...on a night when their starting pitcher goes only 5 innings once again...on a night when their owner is addressing the media about his overpaid and under-performing squad and his embattled front office...Domingo German of their crosstown rivals tosses only the 24th perfect game in MLB history (and 4th in team history). The yin and yang that is ever present in baseball. Sadly, more often than not, the Mets seem to be the bad which evens out the good. <sigh>

 

In a disappointing year that was supposed to be "all in" and about chasing a World Series title, a perfect game by NY AL feels like salt in the wound. Every time I hear that there was a no hitter (and even more rare, a perfect game) thrown, I think about the lone no-no that the Mets have by Johann Santana and think, "The one we have isn't even legit". Had there been replay back then, the Mets wouldn't even have the one that they do. I don't know how in the world the umps missed that shot down the left field line that clearly hit the chalk, but I digress. Hard to believe that as pitching rich as this franchise has historically been, they only have one no hitter and a questionable one at that. Several fan favorites and team icons have them...Tom Seaver, Doc Gooden, Nolan Ryan...but all with other franchises. And just to bring this full-circle, the last perfect game thrown by NY AL was back in 1999...by David Cone...another former Met. David Wells also threw one for them the year prior so back-to-back perfect games in 1998 & 1999 and a third last night while the Mets are still looking for their first 'clean' no hitter. That would be nice at some point. A perfect game for the Mets? Fuhgeddaboudit!

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6 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

 

@Gugny @Another Fan

 

And in yet another lost Mets season...on a night when their manager gets tossed during a typical 'rinse and repeat' home loss...on a night when their starting pitcher goes only 5 innings once again...on a night when their owner is addressing the media about his overpaid and under-performing squad and his embattled front office...Domingo German of their crosstown rivals tosses only the 24th perfect game in MLB history (and 4th in team history). The yin and yang that is ever present in baseball. Sadly, more often than not, the Mets seem to be the bad which evens out the good. <sigh>

 

In a disappointing year that was supposed to be "all in" and about chasing a World Series title, a perfect game by NY AL feels like salt in the wound. Every time I hear that there was a no hitter (and even more rare, a perfect game) thrown, I think about the lone no-no that the Mets have by Johann Santana and think, "The one we have isn't even legit". Had there been replay back then, the Mets wouldn't even have the one that they do. I don't know how in the world the umps missed that shot down the left field line that clearly hit the chalk, but I digress. Hard to believe that as pitching rich as this franchise has historically been, they only have one no hitter and a questionable one at that. Several fan favorites and team icons have them...Tom Seaver, Doc Gooden, Nolan Ryan...but all with other franchises. And just to bring this full-circle, the last perfect game thrown by NY AL was back in 1999...by David Cone...another former Met. David Wells also threw one for them the year prior so back-to-back perfect games in 1998 & 1999 and a third last night while the Mets are still looking for their first 'clean' no hitter. That would be nice at some point. A perfect game for the Mets? Fuhgeddaboudit!

 

I've had an obsession with a Mets no-hitter that started when my grandfather told me about Jimmy Qualls breaking up Seaver's perfect game. Then in 1972 I remember watching Leron Lee break up Seaver's no-hitter in the 9th. From that point forward I was looking for a no-hitter from the first pitch of the game until it got broken up. 

 

Ironically when Johan got his 'no-hitter' I saw none of it because I was playing softball that night. My brother-in-law was actually at the game - and he was also at the game when the Mets got the combined no-hitter. I only saw the last few batters of that one, can't remember why.

 

When I saw the headline this morning I was nauseated.

 

 

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On 6/30/2023 at 9:01 PM, SinceThe70s said:

 

With every hit that Pham gets the pitching prospect we'll get in a trade for him gets a little bit better.

I hear that.

 

IMO it is more advantageous than ever to field young teams.  This is because with the push on analytics young players don’t have much tape on them to scout.  Case in point the Cincinnati Reds this year.  A very talented and high achieving young team.  But I’m still not sure they’ll hold up over 162 games.  

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@Another Fan @ExWNYer @Gugny

 

How you guys living? Hope summer is going well.

 

Fun fact: my summer vacation coincided perfectly win the 6 game winning streak, lol. Lost a few games before we left town and resumed to their losing ways the day we came back.

 

Any thoughts on how to approach the trade deadline? The link below is worth a read- just skip the first three paragraphs. Basic premise is that the juice isn't worth the squeeze wrt being sellers and trying to get prospects back. I think it ignores the opportunity to not start next season with Max and/or Verlander. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/17/mets-surrendering-at-trade-deadline-would-just-be-a-waste-of-time/

 

 

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1 hour ago, SinceThe70s said:

@Another Fan @ExWNYer @Gugny

 

How you guys living? Hope summer is going well.

 

Fun fact: my summer vacation coincided perfectly win the 6 game winning streak, lol. Lost a few games before we left town and resumed to their losing ways the day we came back.

 

Any thoughts on how to approach the trade deadline? The link below is worth a read- just skip the first three paragraphs. Basic premise is that the juice isn't worth the squeeze wrt being sellers and trying to get prospects back. I think it ignores the opportunity to not start next season with Max and/or Verlander. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/17/mets-surrendering-at-trade-deadline-would-just-be-a-waste-of-time/

 

 


I’m a little torn, but I’m leaning heavily toward standing pat. 
 

Keep playing the young guys and let them get big league reps for the rest of the season. 
 

Hope Verlander and Scherzer can begin next season healthy. 
 

Firing Buck at this point doesn’t seem smart. 
 

I think it’s just one of those seasons.

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8 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

@Another Fan @ExWNYer @Gugny

 

How you guys living? Hope summer is going well.

 

Fun fact: my summer vacation coincided perfectly win the 6 game winning streak, lol. Lost a few games before we left town and resumed to their losing ways the day we came back.

 

Any thoughts on how to approach the trade deadline? The link below is worth a read- just skip the first three paragraphs. Basic premise is that the juice isn't worth the squeeze wrt being sellers and trying to get prospects back. I think it ignores the opportunity to not start next season with Max and/or Verlander. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/17/mets-surrendering-at-trade-deadline-would-just-be-a-waste-of-time/

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Gugny said:


I’m a little torn, but I’m leaning heavily toward standing pat. 
 

Keep playing the young guys and let them get big league reps for the rest of the season. 
 

Hope Verlander and Scherzer can begin next season healthy. 
 

Firing Buck at this point doesn’t seem smart. 
 

I think it’s just one of those seasons.

 

@Another Fan

 

(Disclaimer: Long post...read on at your own peril. Or don't...you might be glad you saved yourselves the time and energy)

 

Hello, Gents. Just noticed that it has been almost 3 weeks since any of us has posted. I have missed our chats ( rants? 😉 ). Win (or mostly) lose, they are therapeutic. Summer has been busy but good so far. It was beautiful here up until about mid-June with low humidity and temps in the low 70s but then someone opened the blast furnace that is a Virginia summer and unleashed the hounds of hell. We are making up for it in spades...hot and humid with temps in the 90s with a decent amount of rain tossed in for good measure. Good times...not. I hate VA summers. Every time I hear some bozo say, "I LOVE the heat!", I want to slap him (or her) into next week...but I digress. Have been catching up with some friends, going to dinners and enjoying good wine, food, and company. We were also in Jamestown visiting relatives for the week of the 4th which coincided with the Mets six game win streak. Made it to Dunkirk for their outstanding fireworks display over the marina and made it up to Niagara Falls with the family, as well. We had some rain and some beautiful days, as well, but all-in-all a great, relaxing visit with almost a week's worth of Met wins. I did not post during that short-lived streak because I didn't want to jinx it and I knew it could just be an anomaly. Sure enough, as soon as I left New York state, they immediately went back to being the SOFM...

 

WRT this Mets squad, I expect them to stand pat...maybe try to add a minor bullpen piece...and hope to get hot down the stretch and sneak into the last Wild Card spot. That does not inspire me and I don't see it happening anyway. This team is just too inconsistent and can't seem to pitch when they hit or hit when they pitch. It is baffling and aggravating but I think the sample size is large enough now to definitively say that this is who they are...yet another in a long, torturous line of bad &/or underachieving Mets teams. At this point, I'd be all for tearing it down to the ground and keeping only the Franciscos, Alonso, Nimmo, & Baty...and even all of them have been less than inspiring except for the young stud Alvarez who has been a godsend; however, I don't believe that Cohen's ego will allow him to let this team tank and he may end up throwing bad money after bad money. He says he wants to use money to make them competitive until they can build a robust farm system like the Dodgers or Braves and then use homegrown talent complemented with the occasional free agent stud. That sounds great in theory but he can't have it both ways. The farm is several years from being robust and they will be caught in this perpetual back-and-forth until they fully commit to a plan and stick to it. They can't be competitive with high salaried players without sacrificing prospects at the deadline to supplement those high salaried players and they can't be competitive by shedding salary and hoarding prospects who are not abundant enough and not MLB ready. It is the purgatory that comes with being a Met fan and it's beyond old at this point. BTW, can they please sit Pete for a game or two? Please?! I know they need him but he is so in his own head right now that it would take a team of psychiatrists to pull him out of there. He's hitting something like .177 for the last month and a half or so and now it's affecting his defense which was not Gold Glove level anyway. Save him from himself.

 

Lastly, I did not watch any of the game last night and saw that they had won, 11-10, against an awful White Sox team. Upon further review, they had a 5-0 lead in the 1st inning...their highest scoring 1st all season...and also had 8-2 (4th inning) and 11-4 (6th inning) leads before barely hanging on for the 11-10 win with the tying and go ahead runs on 2nd & 3rd in the 9th. In a season like last year, that would probably have been an "exciting" win. This year it is just an annoying microcosm of an initially promising season gone steadily south after the first few weeks. Next year...always next year.

 

Apologies for the long-winded post yet again.

 

Cheers. :beer: 

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