aristocrat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Everyone but Taylors fault by John from Hemet only tyrods fault by ryan l blitz! nobody else had anything to do with games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 only tyrods fault by ryan l blitz! nobody else had anything to do with games! 25th in yards are good! Who cares if the 2nd and 4th rated passing teams met in the super bowl. Another 30 mil to ignore open receivers is a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 25th in yards are good! Who cares if the 2nd and 4th rated passing teams met in the super bowl. Another 30 mil to ignore open receivers is a bargain. who cares if seattle got to 2 superbowls and won 1 doing this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) who cares if seattle got to 2 superbowls and won 1 doing this offense. The year the Seahawks won the SB, they had the 10th highest total of passing TD's. 31st in passing attempts, but 26th in yards. 6th in net YPA. The Bills in 2016 had the 27th highest total of passing TD's. 32nd in attempts, 30th in yards. 25th in net YPA Were they really doing "this offense?" Edited February 16, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 who cares if seattle got to 2 superbowls and won 1 doing this offense. Seattle's qb is compared to Brady, Rogers, Big Ben Buffalos qb is compared to Simien, Fitzpatrick, Keenum. I see no correlation, I also don't see the legion of boom or Michael Bennett. Good luck to the Seahawks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 The year the Seahawks won the SB, they had the 10th highest total of passing TD's. The Bills in 2016 had the 27th highest total of passing TD's. Were they really doing "this offense?" 26th in yards passing...so they passed in the red zone. number 1 run game...number 1 defense. Seattle's qb is compared to Brady, Rogers, Big Ben Buffalos qb is compared to Simien, Fitzpatrick, Keenum. I see no correlation, I also don't see the legion of boom or Michael Bennett. Good luck to the Seahawks though. cool, we all want brady rodgers or big ben....they aren't in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 26th in yards passing...so they passed in the red zone. number 1 run game...number 1 defense. The year the Seahawks won the SB, they had the 10th highest total of passing TD's. 31st in passing attempts, but 26th in yards. 6th in net YPA. The Bills in 2016 had the 27th highest total of passing TD's. 32nd in attempts, 30th in yards. 25th in net YPA. Some stark differences there, yeah? Seattle's run game was not #1 in 2013. 4th in yards, 13th in TDs, 12th in YPC. It must suck being wrong all the time. Edited February 16, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 cool, we all want brady rodgers or big ben....they aren't in this draft. Says who ? Who are these guys ? Are they Mariota and Matt Ryan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 The year the Seahawks won the SB, they had the 10th highest total of passing TD's. 31st in passing attempts, but 26th in yards. 6th in net YPA. The Bills in 2016 had the 27th highest total of passing TD's. 32nd in attempts, 30th in yards. 25th in net YPA. Some stark differences there, yeah? Seattle's run game was not #1 in 2013. 4th in yards, 13th in TDs, 12th in YPC. It must suck being wrong all the time. 2014 they had the number 1 run game. and in 2016 the bills had the 9th best offense in points scored. we can do this all day over and over again. Says who ? Who are these guys ? Are they Mariota and Matt Ryan ? may not even be those guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 2014 they had the number 1 run game. and in 2016 the bills had the 9th best offense in points scored. we can do this all day over and over again. Listen dude. I just showed you stats that were vastly different between the 2016 Bills offense and 2013 SB champion Seahawks offense, the one you tout that we "have." We don't. Stop being wrong. Even comparing 2014 Wilson to TT is one-sided. Your argument sucks. Edited February 16, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Listen dude. I just showed you stats that were vastly different between the 2016 Bills offense and 2013 SB champion Seahawks offense, the one you tout that we "have." We don't. Stop being wrong. Even comparing 2014 Wilson to TT is one-sided. Your argument sucks. we have a better run game, equal pass yards game, had we played tyrod in the last game i think it's fair he scores 30 points or so and his ppg offense is over 26 ppg which is better than the seahawks offense that year...so we do have that offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 only tyrods fault by ryan l blitz! nobody else had anything to do with games! arist my board experience is much better now that i have ryan blocked. anything you could do to not have him referencing me in your quotes would be greatly appreciated, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 we have a better run game, equal pass yards game, had we played tyrod in the last game i think it's fair he scores 30 points or so and his ppg offense is over 26 ppg which is better than the seahawks offense that year...so we do have that offense Wrong. Dude these stats are easy to look up. Seahawks scoring percentage per drive in 2013 and 2014. 5th and 5th. Bills scoring percentage per drive in 2016. 14th. The. offenses. are. not. equal. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2013.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2014.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wrong. Dude these stats are easy to look up. Seahawks scoring percentage per drive in 2013 and 2014. 5th and 5th. Bills scoring percentage per drive in 2016. 14th. The. offenses. are. not. equal. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2013.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2014.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016.htm chan even if what you said was true you know yout comparing a non playoff team with one that was competing for the superbowl every year right? lets at least make the playoffs before raising the bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wrong. Dude these stats are easy to look up. Seahawks scoring percentage per drive in 2013 and 2014. 5th and 5th. Bills scoring percentage per drive in 2016. 14th. The. offenses. are. not. equal. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2013.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2014.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016.htm points scored in total. you're digging deep trying to find a way to show our offense was bad. it was 9th in points put on the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 chan even if what you said was true you know yout comparing a non playoff team with one that was competing for the superbowl every year right? lets at least make the playoffs before raising the bar? I'm not. Your partner in crime is saying we have the Russell Wilson Seahawk offense. We don't. The numbers do not lie. points scored in total. you're digging deep trying to find a way to show our offense was bad. it was 9th in points put on the board Yes it was. It wasn't as good as the Seahawks. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 we have a better run game, equal pass yards game, had we played tyrod in the last game i think it's fair he scores 30 points or so and his ppg offense is over 26 ppg which is better than the seahawks offense that year...so we do have that offense Wilson that year: passer rating 101.2 (7th in the NFL), 8.2 YPA (7th in the NFL), TD Percentage 6.4%, 4 4th Quarter Comebacks, 5 Game-Winning Drives Tyrod last year: Passer Rating 89.7 (20th in the NFL), 6.9 YPA (26th in the NFL) TD Percentage 3.9% , 1 4th Quarter Comeback, 1 Game-Winning Drive NOT ... EVEN ... CLOSE! We do indeed have a better run game. And a much worse pass game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Is it hard to imagine the Bills making the playoffs with TT? It makes sense that once in the playoffs, anything can happen. The best team doesn't always win or even make it to the Super Bowl once in the playoffs. So if the Bills get to the playoffs with TT, why can't they win or make it to the Super Bowl. Because there are two types of teams that make the playoffs, teams with a chance, and fodder teams. Generally around three teams a year with none but a theoretical chance. And that's what the Bills would be with TT unless they also have the Buddy Ryan - Mike Singletary defense from the year they won the Super Bowl, or one on just about the same level. And we're years away from that if it ever happens. There's never been a fodder team that's won the Super Bowl. Never. People talk about the Giants the year they beat the Pats, but they absolutely were not a fodder team. They were peaking at the right time, Eli's light had come on and they had almost beaten the Pats in the last week of the season. The three fodder teams that year were the 9-7 Jeff Garcia Bucs, the 9-7 Jason Campbell Redskins and the 10-6 Titans, QB'd mostly by Vince Young, who'd scored four points more than had been scored on them that year. No, the best team doesn't always win. But one of the best eight or so in the playoffs does. The fodder teams don't. chan even if what you said was true you know yout comparing a non playoff team with one that was competing for the superbowl every year right? lets at least make the playoffs before raising the bar? Aristocrat is the one who brought up the Seattle comparisons, not FireChan. And no, we shouldn't lower the bar. There should be one goal and one goal only moving forward. Winning the Super Bowl sometime in the next few years. Nothing else matters. That bar should never be lowered. Edited February 16, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm not. Your partner in crime is saying we have the Russell Wilson Seahawk offense. We don't. The numbers do not lie. Yes it was. It wasn't as good as the Seahawks. Sorry. no it was not as good as the seahawks..but it was ballpark clothes.....the seahawks were very balanced on boyh sides of the ball however thr hawks could afford to take more chances cuz they were gonna get the ball back Because there are two types of teams that make the playoffs, teams with a chance, and fodder teams. Generally around three teams a year with none but a theoretical chance. And that's what the Bills would be with TT unless they also have the Buddy Ryan - Mike Singletary defense from the year they won the Super Bowl, or one on just about the same level. And we're years away from that if it ever happens. There's never been a fodder team that's won the Super Bowl. Never. People talk about the Giants the year they beat the Pats, but they absolutely were not a fodder team. They were peaking at the right time, Eli's light had come on and they had almost beaten the Pats in the last week of the season. The three fodder teams that year were the 9-7 Jeff Garcia Bucs, the 9-7 Jason Campbell Redskins and the 10-6 Titans, QB'd mostly by Vince Young, who'd scored four points more than had been scored on them that year. No, the best team doesn't always win. But one of the best eight or so in the playoffs does. The fodder teams don't. Aristocrat is the one who brought up the Seattle comparisons, not FireChan. And no, we shouldn't lower the bar. There should be one goal and one goal only moving forward. Winning the Super Bowl sometime in the next few years. Nothing else matters. That bar should never be lowered. so if we lost a wildcard game next year you would not at least have some satisfaction after missing the playoffs for 16 years in a row? i would and feel likr we were finally heading in a pos direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) we have a better run game, equal pass yards game, had we played tyrod in the last game i think it's fair he scores 30 points or so and his ppg offense is over 26 ppg which is better than the seahawks offense that year...so we do have that offense Points scored is NOT a QB stat. It just isn't. It's a stat that reflects probably 75 - 80% the whole offense and the rest STs and the defense, who give the offense their field position, which is huge, and also score some points. And when you look at our whole offense, our run game was terrific this year, and our pass game substandard. 29 rushing TDs this year. 17 passing TDs. And 3 scored by the defense. In a league where not a single other team scored more rushing TDs than passing TDs. Sorry to repeat this stat so many many times, but people just keep on pretending that our offense scoring a lot proves they had a good pass game, and it simply doesn't show that. "His PPG offense," you say. And it wasn't "his". It was the Bills offense, mostly powered by the run game. Edited February 16, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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