1billsfan Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 This is such a good post. Teddy Bridgewater gets Norv Turner Andrew Luck gets Bruce Arians Colin Kaepernick gets Jim Harbaugh EJ gets Nate Hackett as both an OC and QB coach. Who knows how good Manuel will ever be, but it boggles the mind at how horrible of a decision that was by Marrone. I don't see how this franchise can move forward with the guy who made that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I agree with you on Marrone but not much else. The Bills led the league in rushing attempts last year not rushing yards where they finished second. They were only 14th in yards per carry though so overall the line wasn't good last year either and was only able to produce because they ran it so much. The Bills strength is with their defense so why would they have a better record with Rex Ryan who is a defensive coach? That doesn't make any sense and how do you make a statement like that without offering any reasons why you think they would be better? The rest I agree with as the only positive impact Marrone has had on this team is hiring two good defensive coordinators. The offense especially the line is a complete train wreck which is all on Marrone. This team did not make the playoffs this year because of the offense which again is all on Marrone who some will ridiculously give a pass to using the QB excuse. IMO = In my opinion. I made a statement like that because I feel Rex Ryan would have found a way to get sufficient production out of his offense working with the personnel he had. Would Rex have punted on 4th and 1 in the Raiders game? I doubt it. Would he have gone more than TEN series of 3 and out before making a change? I doubt it. Bottom line is Marrone is not ready. IMO, He squandered the teams chances of making the playoffs with his hiring/retaining his buddy N. Hackett. A good coach finds a way to adjust and mask his weakness through game planning. Marrones game plan all year has been to rely on the defense to win his games. Hell, why no just give Schwarts the HC job, Marrone offers this team nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Is it possible that the purse strings were still tight when it came to hiring Coaches last year ? And this pre season many adjustments were made including additions to Coaches. I bet they will reconfigure and tweak again. some folks say Marrone will go if FO asks for Hackett to leave because of loyalty. That is silly. and both of them understand thats its a business about winning. If they can upgrade Nate they will. Let him get back to quality control and get more NFL experience that way. Or amybe just maybe he is not the problem. He is not the solution thats for sure this past year : ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Think about THIS decision by Marrone. When he gets hired by the Bills for their head coaching position he went about getting Mike Pettine as his defensive coordinator. A successful, well established and experienced coach in the NFL. Awesome move! Ok, so the Bills "obviously" had plans to draft a rookie QB and I'm sure this was told to Marrone during the discussions about the job. Why in the world would he hire a rookie offensive coordinator in Nate Hackett if he knew this going into the job???? Wouldn't you think you would need to hire a guy that has proven success in the league? Just like he did with the defense? If you are drafting a QB who will be on the fast track to start, what in the world were Doug and the Bills thinking with regards to hiring a rookie OC who had proved nothing? As for Marrone, by all accounts his position as New Orleans OC was in name only, he was the O line coach there and did not call plays. Shouldn't this be called franchise malpractice? How fair was it to EJ Manuel to have to be coached by a rookie? Manuel was a project to begin with and Nate Hackett was the guru to guide him through the bumps and bruises? Really? I have no idea what Manuel will become, but the more I think about the Hackett hire with Marrone and the Bills KNOWING they were selecting a guy they want to become their franchise QB, it boggles the mind how stupid that was. They get Pettine for the defense and then they throw an anchor on EJ Manuel with Nate Hackett and tell him to swim. While EJ and Nate may both be duds, Marrone and the Bills did Manuel a MAJOR disservice in that hire. Cant argue with you one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Has anyone been direct and asked DM Why his O-line sucks? I think he is confusing effort with results. If he was an O-lineman, why does his O-line look like one of the worst ever fielded in Buffalo. With the exception of Levitre, it is essentially the same as last year and the Bills led the league in rushing. Let me ask you? If Rex Ryan coached this present team, do you think we would have had more success? I bet you we would. IMO DM is in way over his head. He has been out-coached in several games. Why did he wait so long in the Raider game to go to the no huddle?? He is an absolute idiot. The offense started moving the ball effectively. This defense kept him in every game and even won most of them despite his and Hacketts disfunctional offense. Unfortunately that may be enough to keep him around another year so next year I expect much of the same. Likely regression. Excalty! Another direct question might be "What has Orton done to show he gives you a better chance to win, especially the last month?" Just allowing him to him to say the same thing with no follow up is an issue of the media. Think about THIS decision by Marrone. When he gets hired by the Bills for their head coaching position he went about getting Mike Pettine as his defensive coordinator. A successful, well established and experienced coach in the NFL. Awesome move! Ok, so the Bills "obviously" had plans to draft a rookie QB and I'm sure this was told to Marrone during the discussions about the job. Why in the world would he hire a rookie offensive coordinator in Nate Hackett if he knew this going into the job???? Wouldn't you think you would need to hire a guy that has proven success in the league? Just like he did with the defense? If you are drafting a QB who will be on the fast track to start, what in the world were Doug and the Bills thinking with regards to hiring a rookie OC who had proved nothing? As for Marrone, by all accounts his position as New Orleans OC was in name only, he was the O line coach there and did not call plays. Shouldn't this be called franchise malpractice? How fair was it to EJ Manuel to have to be coached by a rookie? Manuel was a project to begin with and Nate Hackett was the guru to guide him through the bumps and bruises? Really? I have no idea what Manuel will become, but the more I think about the Hackett hire with Marrone and the Bills KNOWING they were selecting a guy they want to become their franchise QB, it boggles the mind how stupid that was. They get Pettine for the defense and then they throw an anchor on EJ Manuel with Nate Hackett and tell him to swim. While EJ and Nate may both be duds, Marrone and the Bills did Manuel a MAJOR disservice in that hire. While I don't disagree with the sentiment it ignores the facts of what occurred. They brought in a veteran and I am sure that would have been discussed too. Edited December 27, 2014 by A Dog Named Kelso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gianelli Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I tend to think Schopp is actually pretty good and makes a lot of sense. He has to put up with idiots calling to ask incredibly stupid questions or every caller just says the same thing. When stuff like that happens he's usually not the nicest and I can't say I don't blame him. Why would someone wait on hold for an hour to get on the radio and just repeat what's been said for the last hour? Schopp loves logic and rational. If you call and make interesting points or defend your side with good reasoning then he always responds well to it. At least from my experience listening. If you call, waste the first 10 seconds to ask how he's doing, make a tired point and then immediately hang up to listen then he gets annoyed. At least Schopp definitely tells you what he thinks, even if he's arrogant and disagreeable. With a few exceptions, the broadcasters on WGR fill their comments with "maybe," "could be," "kind of," etc. When it comes to football commentary, I want to listen to or read posts by people who know more than I do, and don't hesitate to state their opinions. That's why I go to The Stadium Wall before turning on WGR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Realist Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Has anyone been direct and asked DM Why his O-line sucks? I think he is confusing effort with results. If he was an O-lineman, why does his O-line look like one of the worst ever fielded in Buffalo. With the exception of Levitre, it is essentially the same as last year and the Bills led the league in rushing. Let me ask you? If Rex Ryan coached this present team, do you think we would have had more success? I bet you we would. IMO DM is in way over his head. He has been out-coached in several games. Why did he wait so long in the Raider game to go to the no huddle?? He is an absolute idiot. The offense started moving the ball effectively. This defense kept him in every game and even won most of them despite his and Hacketts disfunctional offense. Unfortunately that may be enough to keep him around another year so next year I expect much of the same. Likely regression. EXACTLY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Sal is one step down from John Murphy on the Kool Aid scale People want to rag on WGR for being negative... Lol The Bills haven't made the playoffs in 15 freaking years and counting. People rag on WGR for employing terrible hosts who bring nothing original to their takes or their analysis. Their hosts have the combined presence of a sleeping field mouse, which is why WGR sounds like a college radio station instead of professional radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) People rag on WGR for employing terrible hosts who bring nothing original to their takes or their analysis. Their hosts have the combined presence of a sleeping field mouse, which is why WGR sounds like a college radio station instead of professional radio. i agree. I'm not looking for kool aid. Just objectivity once in awhile. Sal brings that. The day they ran the poll on whether you would rather the Bills make the playoffs this year or the Sabres got Connor McDavid sealed it for me. Edited December 28, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 i agree. I'm not looking for kool aid. Just objectivity once in awhile. Sal brings that. The day they ran the poll on whether you would rather the Bills make the playoffs this year or the Sabres got Connor McDavid sealed it for me. Absolutely. I don't mind Sal, and there are a few good guys on WGR, it's just the overall product that depresses me. You'd think with all the passion in this fan base and the talent in the area they'd be able to program some better shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Not a bad interview by Sal or Doug. But the question about whether, "if the Pats send in Garoppolo does Doug play EJ" had me shaking my head. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Why is our DC doing such a great job while a lynch mob is forming for our OC? In addition to whatever level of competence or lack thereof you assign to either of them, you can't ignore the differing talent levels between the two squads. Defense: Marion Williams - first overall in 2006 draft, 4 pro bowls Marcel Dareus - 3rd pick, first round 2011. 1 pro bowl Stephon Gilmore - 10th pick first rd. 2012. L.McKelvin - 11th pick, first rd. 2008. J.Hughes - 31st pick, first rd. 2013. Kyle Williams - 1st pick, 5th rd. 2006, 3 pro bowls. Aaron Williams - 34th pick, 2nd rd. 2011 Brandon Spikes - 2nd rd. 2010 D.Searcy - 100th pick, 4th rd. 2011 Preston Brown, 9th pick, 3rd rd. 2014 N. Bradham - 10th pick, 4th rd. 2012 C. Graham - 5th rd, 2007 1 pro bowl Nickell Robey - UDFA 2013 Manny Lawson - 22nd pick, 1st rd 2006 Thats 6 first rounders, 2 second rounders, 1 third, 2 fourths, two fifths and 1 UDFA. Bear in mind that one of those 5th rounders, Kyle Williams is in his third pro bowl this year and clearly is a first round quality player. Graham, also taken in the fifth, has made a pro bowl and been one of the best nickel's in the league. Now lets compare that quality with the offensive personnel. Kyle Orton - 4th rd, 106 overall, 2005 Eric Wood - 28th pick, 1st rd. 2009 Kraig Urbik - 79th overall, 3rd rd, 2008 Eric Pears - UDFA 2005 Cordy Glenn - 41st overall, 2nd rd, 2012 S. Henderson - 237th overall, 7th rd 2014 Fred Jackson - UDFA, signed 2006 S.Watkins - 4th pick, 1st rd. 2014 R.Woods - 41st overall, 2nd rd, 2013 S. Chandler - 129th overall, 4th rd. 2007 Chris Hogan - UDFA 2011 Chris Williams - 14th pick, 1st rd. 2008 - played only three games before going on IR CJ Spiller - 9th pick, 1st rd. 2010 All told that is 4 first rounders and of those, one is a rookie, one played 3 games before going on IR and another missed half the season. Despite their first round status, not one of them has ever made the pro bowl. Granted, the line up is a more talented than would appear based solely on how they got into the league because of guys like Fred Jackson and Chris Hogan but its glaringly clear that there is a severe shortage of talent on this offense, most notably at both guard spots and at QB. Henderson did okay for a rookie but he is still not where an average NFL starter should be, though there is hope for him. I am not saying that Hackett is excused from blame for this woeful offense but with a lack of talent like this, I don't see how you can put all the blame on play calling and design. No matter what you call, you have to block people at some point. You just have to. Firing Hackett won't fix that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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