The Big Cat Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 It is no less tragic. I also believe it is far less likely. I go with the odds. Cool. So walk me through the science of determining what a pitt bull is. Tell me how that regulation is crafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichVP Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I have an amazing dog. He is great on walks and walks next to me without pulling or any interest in anyone else. Just two days ago he walked past a group of 5 or 6 small dogs with multiple growling and attempting to get to him. He does not bark, growl or show any signs of aggressiveness as I've seen numerous breeds show to him. Including Golden Retrievers, Poodles and Labs. Yes he is a Pit Bull. Yes pit bulls were bred and honed in to be good at fighting other dogs but the vast majority of them were still born as non aggressive loving dogs. These dogs were the ones used as bait. These dogs were the ones Michael Vick tortured and Killed as an attempt to make them into worthy animals for the Pit. Dogs aren't typically born with an innate desire to hurt others. It's a learned ability from owners that are not responsible. Those type of owners can create dogs that harm others from any breed of dog. A dog bite in and of itself is extremely dangerous because of it's ability to get infected and if not treated properly lead to amputations or worse. I look at my dog as a kid. He is the dog I create him to be as he grows. He has shown to be less aggressive than a Black Lab I grew up with and did bite me. He was being used as a dog for a Golden Retriever to ease her into being friendlier to other dogs. But I am also careful. I know the reputation Pit Bulls have, however unfair, and you have to protect them and put them in good situations. Please don't make snap judgements about a breed based on a few irresponsible owners. Sadly there's far too many of those owners out there and they don't just own Pit Bulls but since it is by far the majority dog as well as the most recognizable it will be blamed for more than it's share of problems. Please visit here if you are in the Rochester Area and have any thoughts on adopting. http://www.pittyloverescue.org/ There is great info provided by these people included clarification of Myths and Truths about the breed. Breed specific legislation has also led to the death of numerous animals mistaken to be pit bulls but are actually not. It is just not as easy to determine breed as some may think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) anyway this is not correct. Even the nicest and best trained dogs of these breeds have triggers that will set them into attack mode. Not always against humans but certainly against other, less formidable dogs.. Pits are dangerous, and need to be muzzled. Sorry for the truth here. And Rotts, for sure too. Dobermans go crazy later in life, I have heard their brain gets too big for their skull, not sure if that is an urban myth or not, but I have known 2 people whose peaceful Dobermans went nuts and had to be put down. It is not how you raise your particuloar dog, it is how the dogs were selected for violent behaviour by other humans over the last 10,000 years, their behaviour is not always learned, often instinctual. And their instinct, bred for, is violence. Granted there are dogs who are trained to attack and/or kill but a dog's instinct is to protect. Most dogs give off warnings such as barking, growling, and even posturing to give clueless humans a warning to stay away. I'm leery of the breeds that you mentioned but I think small dogs are more likely to bite than large dogs. Edited September 28, 2014 by juno999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Granted there are dogs who are trained to attack and/or kill but a dog's instinct is to protect. Most dogs give off warnings such as barking, growling, and even posturing to give clueless humans a warning to stay away. I'm leery of the breeds that you mentioned but I think small dogs are more likely to bite than large dogs. Small dogs bite WAY more often than big dogs. Big dogs, particularly pits, just happen to do a lot more damage when they do bite. This is indisputable. But to say every rot, every pit, every "scary" dog has it in them is categorically false. If we accept the notion that some dogs were bred for aggression, then we accept the possibility that said aggression is just as easily bred out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Cool. So walk me through the science of determining what a pitt bull is. Tell me how that regulation is crafted. Well, if you'll read more carefully, I am NOT for a breed specific regulation. If I gave it more thought I might reconsider, but at first glance that doesn't seem fair. If my dog commits the crime, I should pay the price (within reasonable standards). I submit that my female Golden puts me on somewhat safer ground than the owner of a random Pit Bull. My dog may lick a baby if left uncontrolled, nothing worse. (And dear Lord, never leave a baby alone with a dog, I have a horrible story on that topic!) That's not to say your pit is not an awesome dog, and mans best friend. I LOVE that you love your dog. But pit owners tend to be blindly loyal, like most dog owners. I'm on my sixth female Golden, I get loyal. (I had several simultaneously, I'm old, not ancient.) Why are shelters so heavily populated by dogs who clearly have a pit resemblance? These are adorable little puppies! Why are the so predominant? Oh, and the small yippy, snappy dogs need to be controlled too, but they don't do as much damage. People don't die. I had a job where I was subjected to a lot of other peoples dogs, and the only time I've ever been bit was at a friends who had a couple little terriers. I'm not a fan of those snappy little things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Well, if you'll read more carefully, I am NOT for a breed specific regulation. If I gave it more thought I might reconsider, but at first glance that doesn't seem fair. If my dog commits the crime, I should pay the price (within reasonable standards). I submit that my female Golden puts me on somewhat safer ground than the owner of a random Pit Bull. My dog may lick a baby if left uncontrolled, nothing worse. (And dear Lord, never leave a baby alone with a dog, I have a horrible story on that topic!) That's not to say your pit is not an awesome dog, and mans best friend. I LOVE that you love your dog. But pit owners tend to be blindly loyal, like most dog owners. I'm on my sixth female Golden, I get loyal. (I had several simultaneously, I'm old, not ancient.) Why are shelters so heavily populated by dogs who clearly have a pit resemblance? These are adorable little puppies! Why are the so predominant? You should read the Esquire article. I think you'd enjoy it. We decided to adopt Betty because it was important for my wife that a dog from a misunderstood breed be given a loving home. I know what my dog is capable of. She doesn't like dogs her size, particularly female dogs. For the most part, she's totally indifferent to most other dogs. But when she spots one she doesn't like, her hair stands on end in a perfect line from the top of her head, all the way to her tail. She growls, she barks. We don't take her to dog parks and we're very cognizant of her whenever she's at a park playing fetch off-leash. She's also part lab. One of the things the Esquire piece points out is that "pits" are just becoming another term for "mutt." Just as a biracial person generally identifies with his/her un-white race, any time a mutt has some pitt bull in it, it suddenly becomes one, and with it all the stereotypes that were formed by the breeds most extreme examples. Betty might get mouthy with other dogs, but that doesn't mean she's a killer. But because she's a "pitt" the assumption is that she was originally raised to fight. We cannot say for certain this wasn't the case, but it's highly unlikely. There are other dogs in our neighborhood, huskies, other labs, and other non-pitt mutts who get just as bent out of shape when they see her. She doesn't bark at other dogs because she's a pit. She barks at other dogs because she's a B word. And seriously, the two things she does most aggressively: Play fetch Lick faces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sorry, but I haven't had a chance to get to the Esquire article. I'll try to get there (somewhat depressed right now following a pitiful loss). Just the fact that you admit to take care about where you take your dog makes the point for the opposing view. That should not be necessary. I could take my dog to a baby day care center and leave here all day and just worry about how much slobber she'd leave on toddlers. Maybe more appropriately, I could take her to a dog park in the morning and come back and night, and my only fear would be if some OTHER dog attacked her. My dog comes with almost zero warning tags. You freely admit yours has restrictions. And I've never met your dog and I'm sure I'd love your dog (as you do and should). It's just a matter of playing the odds to me. Plus a little personal preference. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Notice how they don't show EJ throwing the ball to that dog. I was wondering if a dog can throw up its paws in frustration.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sorry, but I haven't had a chance to get to the Esquire article. I'll try to get there (somewhat depressed right now following a pitiful loss). Just the fact that you admit to take care about where you take your dog makes the point for the opposing view. That should not be necessary. I could take my dog to a baby day care center and leave here all day and just worry about how much slobber she'd leave on toddlers. Maybe more appropriately, I could take her to a dog park in the morning and come back and night, and my only fear would be if some OTHER dog attacked her. My dog comes with almost zero warning tags. You freely admit yours has restrictions. And I've never met your dog and I'm sure I'd love your dog (as you do and should). It's just a matter of playing the odds to me. Plus a little personal preference. :-) You didn't really read my post. That my dog is particular about some dogs (in no way shape or form BECAUSE she has some pit in her) does not make her a killer because she has some pit in her. Why is this hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 You didn't really read my post. That my dog is particular about some dogs (in no way shape or form BECAUSE she has some pit in her) does not make her a killer because she has some pit in her. Why is this hard to understand? Some dogs' asses smell better than others, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) That my dog is particular about some dogs (in no way shape or form BECAUSE she has some pit in her) does not make her a killer because she has some pit in her. Why is this hard to understand? Again, I love your dog and her Bills attire, despite never having met her (or you). Your post above... Doesn't really even make sense as I read it. Your dog is not a killer (unless she has killed), but people will have concerns about a dog who resembles a dog from a breed with a reputation for maulings and worse. That doesn't make Betty guilty, it's just common sense. Being "particular" is a euphemism for wanting to bite? Sniffing is good, growling and biting are bad. Very bad. Edited September 28, 2014 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Again, I love your dog and her Bills attire, despite never having met her (or you). Your post above... Doesn't really even make sense as I read it. Your dog is not a killer (unless she has killed), but people will have concerns about a dog who resembles a dog from a breed with a reputation for maulings and worse. That doesn't make Betty guilty, it's just common sense. Being "particular" is a euphemism for wanting to bite? Sniffing is good, growling and biting is bad. Very bad. I've seen her get on top of a dog she was barking at. There was no biting. Just a lot of show. Kinda disrupts the killer theory, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) anyway this is not correct. Even the nicest and best trained dogs of these breeds have triggers that will set them into attack mode. Not always against humans but certainly against other, less formidable dogs.. Pits are dangerous, and need to be muzzled. Sorry for the truth here. And Rotts, for sure too. Dobermans go crazy later in life, I have heard their brain gets too big for their skull, not sure if that is an urban myth or not, but I have known 2 people whose peaceful Dobermans went nuts and had to be put down. It is not how you raise your particuloar dog, it is how the dogs were selected for violent behaviour by other humans over the last 10,000 years, their behaviour is not always learned, often instinctual. And their instinct, bred for, is violence. What I am saying is that ALL dogs are weapons. It's just that some are not a real danger to a human life even in their most agitated state and others are capable of ripping a grown mans throat out before he can defend himself. It doesn't matter what the pooch pokers in this thread think...eventually what I am saying will become reality. If subjecting others to second hand smoke is illegal.....kid shredding dog breeds will eventually not be allowed in public and their owners will be stigmatized. There is absolutely NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. So enjoy while you can.....it will just be one more thing for you to complain about when you are old. Edited September 28, 2014 by BADOLBEELZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sorry, this is so far off topic...if you want to talk about dog breeds please go to OTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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