dubs Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I agreed with everything until you said the JR comparison was ludicrous? Why is it not the same? I was born in the 80's so I missed the Civil Rights movement. I'm not going to go into the hundreds of differences, but when Jackie Robinson came to the Dodgers he came from the Negro league. Brown v Board of Education hadn't even happened yet. The KKK was thriving. He was constantly getting death threats. Being gay is not a big deal in today's society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm not going to go into the hundreds of differences, but when Jackie Robinson came to the Dodgers he came from the Negro league. Brown v Board of Education hadn't even happened yet. The KKK was thriving. He was constantly getting death threats. Being gay is not a big deal in today's society. Well even then Blacks could get married and had other rights still not afforded to homosexuals so it is similar. Gay people still get death threats and there is still gay hate crimes. I am not taking away from Jackie Robinson since he was an amazing person first and great athlete second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peytons Neck Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) "In order to get to a place in our society where it truly, truly doesn't matter, we have to go through an awkward phase where unfortunately it does matter a whole lot. What I'm saying is whenever you see some (*^*&%^$^#comment on Mr. Sam's story with a "WHO CARES?," tell them to shut the f*!k up." Comment under the story from Deadspin but needs to be repeated to everyone. Edited February 10, 2014 by Peytons Neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Well even then Blacks could get married and had other rights still not afforded to homosexuals so it is similar. Gay people still get death threats and there is still gay hate crimes. I am not taking away from Jackie Robinson since he was an amazing person first and great athlete second. I don't think you're taking anything away from JR, I think you're making a bigger deal out of this than it is. Just read up a little on what American society was like back in the 40s and 50s and how blacks were treated and then honestly ask yourself if these are comparable situations. They are not. The overwhelming majority of people either openly support gays or don't care about someone's sexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 who cares. Seems attention seeking to me. I do not approve of that lifestyle, but I don't care how he lives. Can he play football? His life choices are his own. Hmmm. Seems that not "approving" of that "lifestyle" is attention seeking. Who are we to approve or not of someone else's sex life? When will we lose these outdated religious based(mostly) prejudices? This is not a "look at me" deal from Sam. Apparently many people he talked to acted as if they knew his orientation already. So he made a decision to tell his own story rather than try to hide it when it inevitably came up at the combine, etc. Good for him. It's purely anecdotal, but pretty much every gay/Lesbian person I know says that they knew of their orientation at a very early age and it was something they "knew" not chose. I mean, when did you "choose" to be straight? You didn't, you just knew what attracted you. This is not a choice, people. Your sexual orientation is ingrained and not for anyone else to approve or disapprove of. In the testosterone fueled world of the NFL, this is big. Most of us will react with a "who cares, why is this newsworthy?" but that shows how far the world of pro sports has to go. And apparently some of us have further to go than that. What pomposity, to act as if someone's sexual orientation is subject to our "approval". It is not attention seeking to want to be able to openly be oneself, without worry of other's reactions or treatment. Some of us really need to get over ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) "In order to get to a place in our society where it truly, truly doesn't matter, we have to go through an awkward phase where unfortunately it does matter a whole lot. What I'm saying is whenever you see some (*^*&%^$^#comment on Mr. Sam's story with a "WHO CARES?," tell them to shut the f*!k up." Comment under the story from Deadspin but needs to be repeated to everyone. Haha. Sure thing. Some random dude from a random website is being quoted as deep and profound? Look, people want to make a big deal out of it, that's their prerogative. I look at is as embarrassing for that person. I've got great friends that are gay and haven't looked at a gay person differently in my entire adult life (and I'm not some 20 something hipster doofus). So yeah, it's not a big deal. But, just like every blowhard, if you find someone who says something you don't agree with, tell them to shut the f up. Classic Edited February 10, 2014 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 It's purely anecdotal, but pretty much every gay/Lesbian person I know says that they knew of their orientation at a very early age and it was something they "knew" not chose. I mean, when did you "choose" to be straight? You didn't, you just knew what attracted you. This is not a choice, people. May I introduce you to the wife of the current Mayor of NY city, who by her own declaration, "used to be a lesbian." Pretty sure that there might be others like her. Not making any judgment or definitive statement....Just sayin' it is what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 May I introduce you to the wife of the current Mayor of NY city, who by her own declaration, "used to be a lesbian." Pretty sure that there might be others like her. Not making any judgment or definitive statement....Just sayin' it is what it is What are you saying? She changed her mind, so what? I know it fits the anti-gay rhetoric to claim that they all chose to be gay in order to be different but it doesn't make it true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Seeing your "handle" and avatar, this surprises no one. LOL I'll be rooting for him if he plays for the Bills, otherwise, he's just another enemy player. Re the "coming out" party: I don't care one whit, and there was no need to do it. And judging from just about everything I read and see, the 97% of the population who is not gay, does not need or want other peoples' gayness constantly thrown in their faces. Like many others have been saying for YEARS, what people do in their own private lives is NO concern to anyone. While I am among the 97% myself, I don't share your opinion. He obviously felt the need was there because many already seemed to know his "secret". So rather than run from it, he faced it. Great. That whole "throwing it in our faces" stuff is just bigotry masquerading as annoyance. I mean, for the other"3%" don't us 97 percenters "throw around" our heterosexuality? Or do we just act like ourselves? I think that's all they want, to be openly themselves without being treated awkwardly. It's easy to say " I don't care what you do, just keep it in the closet Okay?" Kinda like don't ask don't tell. May I introduce you to the wife of the current Mayor of NY city, who by her own declaration, "used to be a lesbian." Pretty sure that there might be others like her. Not making any judgment or definitive statement....Just sayin' it is what it is Note that I said "pretty much every..." there are always exceptions. I know women who were married and are now lesbian. I know women who are Bi. Maybe it;s more common for women to be say..."flexible". Changing orientations after a bad marriage, etc. I can't think of a gay guy that said he used to like girls. Who knows? But most say they knew as soon as they became sexually "aware". Women sure do seem to be wired differently than men with most things. Why not orientation as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyQuil Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Note that I said "pretty much every..." there are always exceptions. I know women who were married and are now lesbian. I know women who are Bi. Maybe it;s more common for women to be say..."flexible". Changing orientations after a bad marriage, etc. I can't think of a gay guy that said he used to like girls. Who knows? But most say they knew as soon as they became sexually "aware". Women sure do seem to be wired differently than men with most things. Why not orientation as well? Maybe due to the fact that its seen more socially acceptable. Relevant quote from Deadspin from those who say, "Who cares?" "In order to get to a place in our society where it truly, truly doesn't matter, we have to go through an awkward phase where unfortunately it does matter a whole lot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 What are you saying? She changed her mind, so what? I know it fits the anti-gay rhetoric to claim that they all chose to be gay in order to be different but it doesn't make it true. I thought it was very obvious what I was saying, but I guess not. Sorry. So here it is: not everyone who is gay, is "born gay." Some people do indeed choose to be gay. That's not me making that up, rather, that's real world observations of peoples' behavior & actions. Re the heteros "throwing around" their sexuality, or religion, or racial makeup: Not seeing it. If reporters ask athletes about it, they usually will answer truthfully (Tebow comes to mind as a good example), but very few athletes come out and just proclaim the things I mentioned, when no one is asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The younger GMs might take a chance on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) I thought it was very obvious what I was saying, but I guess not. Sorry. So here it is: not everyone who is gay, is "born gay." Some people do indeed choose to be gay. That's not me making that up, rather, that's real world observations of peoples' behavior & actions. Re the heteros "throwing around" their sexuality, or religion, or racial makeup: Not seeing it. If reporters ask athletes about it, they usually will answer truthfully (Tebow comes to mind as a good example), but very few athletes come out and just proclaim the things I mentioned, when no one is asking. Plenty of people enter into hetero relations and end up gay, who cares? Gays may try to fit in but then go back once they realize what makes them truly happy. It shouldn't matter either way. Edited February 10, 2014 by NDBUFFCUSEFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Plenty of people enter into hetero relations and end up gay, who cares? Yep, agreed. That's what I said in my first post in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yep, agreed. That's what I said in my first post in this thread. The first out and active athlete is a big deal, in 5-10 years it won't matter but now it does. I personally cannot wait for the drama created by teammates dating or rivals dating, sports are soap operas for men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You might want to preface what you say with "I believe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Russ Brandon will see that he gets drafted by the Bills. Imagine all the $$$ and free publicity this would bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You might want to preface what you say with "I believe" Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksNBills Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 It can be both. I do not approve as in I think practicing homosexual behavior is a sin. But, I do not care if he is a practicing homosexual. That is his call to make. Muslims believe drinking is a sin. Jews believe eating pork is a sin. They don't approve of these things, but they don't care that I drink and eat pork. I know they think it's sinful and respect that. Then you believe homosexuality is a choice, which is ridiculous and archaic in thought. Practice your religion freely but please don't take a religious perspective on human rights and science. You would only be holding society up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Flutie Band Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone If your time to you Is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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