Chef Jim Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Good luck getting an answer out of him. He still won't commit to whether he believes in the Constitution or not. We'll see. As I mentioned it's a great point that just needs some clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 You bring up a very interesting point regarding the highlighted bit above. Can you explain this please? Sure, the money doesn't disappear, it goes back out to real living people. You can buy bonds as I'm sure you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Sure, the money doesn't disappear, it goes back out to real living people. You can buy bonds as I'm sure you know. So what you're saying is the interest payments go back to the people who buy the bonds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 So what you're saying is the interest payments go back to the people who buy the bonds? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Yes So why is it good to give US citizens money in the form in interest payments from government bonds they have purchased and use that money for whatever they please and bad to leave money in the hands of US citizens to use in any way they please in the form of lower taxation? Ok, you can leave now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 So why is it good to give US citizens money in the form in interest payments from government bonds they have purchased and use that money for whatever they please and bad to leave money in the hands of US citizens to use in any way they please in the form of lower taxation? Ok, you can leave now. I can leave now?? LOL, oh, am I beaten or something? Too bad you won't read this as I'm sure you ran away. Low taxes are nice and all, but the government redistributing money, building things, creating jobs, doing research just makes the country better. Your way would make a whole lot more poor people for no reason. I like more middle class people, more development and more general prosperity. And borrowing money is a way of doing these things much cheaper than simply raising taxes Question for you now. If there was 50% unemployment you wouldn't care, right? The government should not try and help anyone at all getting a job, creating wealth, fixing much of anything, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I can leave now?? LOL, oh, am I beaten or something? Too bad you won't read this as I'm sure you ran away. Low taxes are nice and all, but the government redistributing money, building things, creating jobs, doing research just makes the country better. Your way would make a whole lot more poor people for no reason. I like more middle class people, more development and more general prosperity. And borrowing money is a way of doing these things much cheaper than simply raising taxes Question for you now. If there was 50% unemployment you wouldn't care, right? The government should not try and help anyone at all getting a job, creating wealth, fixing much of anything, right? Yes, you've been beaten. You can't have it both ways, If the government spent our money wisely on the things you mentioned and not frivolously on things we don't need I'd be fine with it. But they don't and I'm not the type of person that takes other people using my money frivolously very lightly. BTW do you have any idea how much of the bond interest payments go to governments outside of the US? Just like the jobs that are never coming back those interest payments will not be coming back to help make this country strong. They will be used to make other countries stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Those interest payments that are "no big deal"? We are financing China's military buildup with them. We are also doing a fine job of financing Japan's as well. Meanwhile, ever since 9/11, we've basically let India do whatever the F they want as well, not to mention dropping cash bombs on them in terms of IT work. What can go wrong? Let's see: 1. 3 countries with too many people, and not enough raw materials(and that hasn't changed since before WW1) 2. Constant influx of our stable currency 3. Constant movement of our industrial capability to their countries 4. 3 cultures whose identities have all been largely predicated on war 5. Idiotic social policies leaving all 3 countries on the brink of upheaval (Specifics: 50 million Chinese men with no way to get a girl, never mind marry one, Japanese pols rapidly moving back to their "normal" culture, due to the failed 10 year, endless stimulus/socialism experiment, and India, with 1 billion people and nowhere for anybody to spend their new money/get new stuff without paying through the nose, because they have no raw materials) Yeah, there's no problem here at all. If I was Austrailian? Having all those resources, and not enough people? I'd be teaching every kid on my block how to fire a weapon properly, just in case. Speaking of that, how about this: if trouble breaks out in Asia, Gatorman has to enlist in the Army for 10 years, because that's how long that war will last. Or, gatorman can get a grip on reality, and admit that NOBODY, the world over, can afford for this country to keep overspending on dopey social welfare, weaken itself militarily, and further exacerbate the situation. This is what invites war. Real war. I wonder if gatorman can even comprehend what I am saying here? Yes, clown, learn your history: power vacuums is how war starts most of the time. Somebody thinks they can take a shot, so they do. Who's going to stop them? The UN? Russia? The Russians had to lay waste to 2 entire countries, because they couldn't defeat their army in the field. At this point, unless we get hold on our spending, the only thing left for us to do in the event of Asia blowing up? Close our import market. And, then, you want to see inflation? You want to see poor people suffering? But, yeah...this debt thing? No big deal. /facepalm Edited October 8, 2013 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Sure, the money doesn't disappear, it goes back out to real living people. You can buy bonds as I'm sure you know. You can also buy all the Tuel #8 jerseys you want. Neither is a very strong investment Edited October 8, 2013 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yes, you've been beaten. You can't have it both ways, If the government spent our money wisely on the things you mentioned and not frivolously on things we don't need I'd be fine with it. But they don't and I'm not the type of person that takes other people using my money frivolously very lightly. BTW do you have any idea how much of the bond interest payments go to governments outside of the US? Just like the jobs that are never coming back those interest payments will not be coming back to help make this country strong. They will be used to make other countries stronger. So, you are not going to answer my question? What a chicken! Spending money "wisely" is a matter of opinion. Do you understand that? I'm sure you don't understand that borrowing money actually reduces taxes, because if we paid for everything we "need" like health care, education, military--yes, I know you think we don't need many of those things at all, ideologues like you live in your own world--we would have to jack up taxes way more. A balanced budget amendment, if followed, would lead to more taxes. It would be like having to save up to buy a house instead of having a friggin house. So actually, you are the person trying to have it both ways. Foreign investment is good, actually. It means the cost of borrowing is cheaper than if we only let u.s. citizens buy our bonds. Cheaper is better, right? And you saying that foreign money is never coming back is pretty ignorant. You know we live in a global economy, right? Just a simple example? Maybe they buy coal from West Virginia with that money, bang, it came back to us. You have been beaten son. You can also buy all the Tuel #8 jerseys you want. Neither is a very strong investment You never know, he might turn in a great player and that jersey will be worth something. He use to be #8?? Those interest payments that are "no big deal"? We are financing China's military buildup with them. We are also doing a fine job of financing Japan's as well. Meanwhile, ever since 9/11, we've basically let India do whatever the F they want as well, not to mention dropping cash bombs on them in terms of IT work. What can go wrong? Let's see: 1. 3 countries with too many people, and not enough raw materials(and that hasn't changed since before WW1) 2. Constant influx of our stable currency 3. Constant movement of our industrial capability to their countries 4. 3 cultures whose identities have all been largely predicated on war 5. Idiotic social policies leaving all 3 countries on the brink of upheaval (Specifics: 50 million Chinese men with no way to get a girl, never mind marry one, Japanese pols rapidly moving back to their "normal" culture, due to the failed 10 year, endless stimulus/socialism experiment, and India, with 1 billion people and nowhere for anybody to spend their new money/get new stuff without paying through the nose, because they have no raw materials) Yeah, there's no problem here at all. If I was Austrailian? Having all those resources, and not enough people? I'd be teaching every kid on my block how to fire a weapon properly, just in case. Speaking of that, how about this: if trouble breaks out in Asia, Gatorman has to enlist in the Army for 10 years, because that's how long that war will last. Or, gatorman can get a grip on reality, and admit that NOBODY, the world over, can afford for this country to keep overspending on dopey social welfare, weaken itself militarily, and further exacerbate the situation. This is what invites war. Real war. I wonder if gatorman can even comprehend what I am saying here? Yes, clown, learn your history: power vacuums is how war starts most of the time. Somebody thinks they can take a shot, so they do. Who's going to stop them? The UN? Russia? The Russians had to lay waste to 2 entire countries, because they couldn't defeat their army in the field. At this point, unless we get hold on our spending, the only thing left for us to do in the event of Asia blowing up? Close our import market. And, then, you want to see inflation? You want to see poor people suffering? But, yeah...this debt thing? No big deal. /facepalm It's time for a return to mercantilism!!! Obama better have congress pass a navigation act and we had better start raising tariffs to stop all this free trade which is going to kill us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 You never know, he might turn in a great player and that jersey will be worth something. Do you buy the extended warranty on every electronics purchase? Because you know, someday it might pay off He use to be #8?? And that my fellow Bills fans answers the question of whether gatorman is a Bills fan or shill from some political organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Do you buy the extended warranty on every electronics purchase? Because you know, someday it might pay off And that my fellow Bills fans answers the question of whether gatorman is a Bills fan or shill from some political organization Oh eat chit, I've been watching the Bills and Sabres before you stopped playing with your GI Joe dolls. Oh wait, you probably still are playing with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Well Crocoschitboy/Davey/Ducky/Dumb/Dumber or whomever you are, it's pretty clear you aren't very observant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Well Crocoschitboy/Davey/Ducky/Dumb/Dumber or whomever you are, it's pretty clear you aren't very observant. It's not his fault whatever Leftist organization that he's with neglected to add Tuel's jersey switch into their talking points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 So, you are not going to answer my question? What a chicken! Spending money "wisely" is a matter of opinion. Do you understand that? I'm sure you don't understand that borrowing money actually reduces taxes, because if we paid for everything we "need" like health care, education, military--yes, I know you think we don't need many of those things at all, ideologues like you live in your own world--we would have to jack up taxes way more. A balanced budget amendment, if followed, would lead to more taxes. It would be like having to save up to buy a house instead of having a friggin house. So actually, you are the person trying to have it both ways. Foreign investment is good, actually. It means the cost of borrowing is cheaper than if we only let u.s. citizens buy our bonds. Cheaper is better, right? And you saying that foreign money is never coming back is pretty ignorant. You know we live in a global economy, right? Just a simple example? Maybe they buy coal from West Virginia with that money, bang, it came back to us. You have been beaten son. What was your question? I don't remember so it must have been a doozy. If you think our government is not a massive wasteful machine that needs to borrow to the extent that it's interest payments are over $20,000,000,000 a MONTH they I can't help you. There's $20,000,000,000 in fewer taxes a month so not sure how a balanced budget will cause more taxes. And could you explain your home analogy better seeing it didn't make sense. Well none of what you say makes sense but that was just whackier than usual. How much of those interest payments that China gets are they spending on things that will stay within their borders and never have a penny of it come back this way? Any idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 What was your question? I don't remember so it must have been a doozy. If you think our government is not a massive wasteful machine that needs to borrow to the extent that it's interest payments are over $20,000,000,000 a MONTH they I can't help you. There's $20,000,000,000 in fewer taxes a month so not sure how a balanced budget will cause more taxes. And could you explain your home analogy better seeing it didn't make sense. Well none of what you say makes sense but that was just whackier than usual. How much of those interest payments that China gets are they spending on things that will stay within their borders and never have a penny of it come back this way? Any idea? Oh look, big numbers! Imagine that, big numbers from the government's budget. Wow, great argument! So basically, you just think the government shouldn't borrow money, right? To me, to most sane people, that's just stupid. Has there ever been a government that didn't borrow money? You don't see how a balanced budget would cause higher taxes?? Becuase what the government spends money on, ummm..., costs money you idiot! If you think we are just going to dump the military, dump health care and everyone else the government employs you are brain dead. What type of f'n idiot would even what to cause such a cluster fok by throwing so many people in government and the private sector jobs dependent of public funding out of work?? You hate nurses or something? My question you forgot was basically, our government should not care at all about the welfare, employment or health of the people, correct? That's how you see it, right? It's not his fault whatever Leftist organization that he's with neglected to add Tuel's jersey switch into their talking points Ya, WGR55. You didn't even understand my point there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) Oh look, big numbers! Imagine that, big numbers from the government's budget. Wow, great argument! So basically, you just think the government shouldn't borrow money, right? To me, to most sane people, that's just stupid. Has there ever been a government that didn't borrow money? You don't see how a balanced budget would cause higher taxes?? Becuase what the government spends money on, ummm..., costs money you idiot! If you think we are just going to dump the military, dump health care and everyone else the government employs you are brain dead. What type of f'n idiot would even what to cause such a cluster fok by throwing so many people in government and the private sector jobs dependent of public funding out of work?? You hate nurses or something? My question you forgot was basically, our government should not care at all about the welfare, employment or health of the people, correct? That's how you see it, right? Yes, if we balance the budget the government will have no money to spend on things. Aren't you the folks that scream from the rooftop that Clinton balanced the budget? Was was it good then but not now? Edited October 9, 2013 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 On the other hand, let the Senate vote, Mr. Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) Aren't you the folks that scream from the rooftop that Clinton balanced the budget? Was was it good then but not now? Clinton didn't create a surplus in the late 90's, someone else made that happen. Namely our Lord and Savior, the Chosen One, Obama. He was so far ahead of his time that He, by His mere presence and actions of voting 'present', made that happen. Now worship Him you heathen racist greedy 1%er jackwagon! Edited October 9, 2013 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 majority of the majority is hogwash and everyone knows it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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