HopsGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 How is Robin Yount's career counter to the Yankees? I have to explain this? It was counter to Winfield, who played on the Yankees for 9 years and had quite a bit of success there. I picked Winfield and Yount because they are both HOFer with 3k+ hits and were sound defensively (like Ichiro). I'm quite sure I could find multiple Yankees fans (not named Steinbrenner) that would tell me that Dave Winfield was a far superior player. (I remember a guy telling me that Roger Maris deserved enshrinement in Cooperstown. Even when I showed that his career stats were comparable to Greg Freaking Luzinski he kept going on.) Now I just smile politely when Yanks fans talk about the HOF (especially those not from the tri-state area). Y'know, except on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 OK..I'll bite...I consider myself a pretty big baseball fan, and I could look it up but I'm being lazy...what is WAR? He's definitely a HOFer (I hate the 1st ballot thing - the guy is or he isn't). He has a lifetime WAR of 54.7. In comparison, Dave Winfield's was 59.4 and because I hate the Yankees, you should know that Robin Yount's was 72.4. Now, Ichiro's lifetime OPS+ is only 113 (Yount 115, Winfield 130) but if he can get to 3k hits, it's a slam-dunk. I'd vote for him but I don't get a vote (though I'm quite sure I understand the game much better than a few that do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 OK..I'll bite...I consider myself a pretty big baseball fan, and I could look it up but I'm being lazy...what is WAR? And more importantly, what is it good for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Hahaha...well played!!! And more importantly, what is it good for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Wins above replacement Edited July 26, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) WAR is a metric that looks at Wins Above Replacement. It shows how many more wins that player adds over a replacement player at that position. Many of these advanced metrics like WAR are standard baseball analysis these days which clubs use to objectively evaluate players. Ichiro is an automatic 1st ballot. That's not my opinion, just fact. I like how there is lot of objectivity given to overly aggressive defensive shifts these days. That's the new "moneyball" that is occurring on the defensive side this year. Edited July 26, 2012 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I have to explain this? It was counter to Winfield, who played on the Yankees for 9 years and had quite a bit of success there. I picked Winfield and Yount because they are both HOFer with 3k+ hits and were sound defensively (like Ichiro). I'm quite sure I could find multiple Yankees fans (not named Steinbrenner) that would tell me that Dave Winfield was a far superior player. (I remember a guy telling me that Roger Maris deserved enshrinement in Cooperstown. Even when I showed that his career stats were comparable to Greg Freaking Luzinski he kept going on.) Now I just smile politely when Yanks fans talk about the HOF (especially those not from the tri-state area). Y'know, except on the internet. Oh, sorry, I know about both of their careers but they were before my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopsGuy Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 WAR is a metric that looks at Wins Above Replacement. It shows how many more wins that player adds over a replacement player at that position. Many of these advanced metrics like WAR are standard baseball analysis these days which clubs use to objectively evaluate players. Ichiro is an automatic 1st ballot. That's not my opinion, just fact. I like how there is lot of objectivity given to overly aggressive defensive shifts these days. That's the new "moneyball" that is occurring on the defensive side this year. You're right but it's an opinion of opinions. I remember reading a few years ago about a BBWAA member not voting for Rickey Henderson on the first ballot because "I never vote for anyone on the first ballot". Really? Just look at this. Dude led the AL in walks at age 39. 39! Also, there's no such thing as 'objectivity'. It's like 'perfection'. It's a noble pursuit but an unreachable destination. Oh, sorry, I know about both of their careers but they were before my time. No need to be sorry. I missed the Koufax, Drysdale & Gibson in '68. We can't choose when/where we're born. But now I'm thinking how we're thrust into our teams/religion like in the OSU tie thread. No need to re-hash that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 ...those that can't play, write about it....what a crapload of a statement..while not all superstars are first ballot worthy, but there certainly are a good deal that are, and rickey henderson was one of the most feared players around...at one point he had the most lead off hr's in mlb history, steals leader in mlb, hit for ridiculous average, and defensively could get to any ball hit... You're right but it's an opinion of opinions. I remember reading a few years ago about a BBWAA member not voting for Rickey Henderson on the first ballot because "I never vote for anyone on the first ballot". Really? Just look at this. Dude led the AL in walks at age 39. 39! Also, there's no such thing as 'objectivity'. It's like 'perfection'. It's a noble pursuit but an unreachable destination. No need to be sorry. I missed the Koufax, Drysdale & Gibson in '68. We can't choose when/where we're born. But now I'm thinking how we're thrust into our teams/religion like in the OSU tie thread. No need to re-hash that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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