1B4IDie Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 If there's one thing that the Raiders have proven--from Moss, to Seymour, to Palmer--it's their awesome ability to orchestrate balanced trades. True true. Does a First rounder for Rob "Franchise Killer" Johnson help with the measuring stick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 That comparison is so inaccurate its laughable. RG3 is nothing like Newton. He's a pass first QB that is much more accurate than Newton. Griffin will run necessary, but he's not a one-read and take off QB like Newton is/was. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13994/cam-newton 60% on the completion rate as a rookie in the NFL with only Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, and a part-time Shockey to throw the ball to. He will only get better. Not to mention Newton can probably throw RGIII further than RGIII can throw a football, into a trash can none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13994/cam-newton 60% on the completion rate as a rookie in the NFL with only Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, and a part-time Shockey to throw the ball to. He will only get better. Not to mention Newton can probably throw RGIII further than RGIII can throw a football, into a trash can none the less. You forgot that Cam Newton broke the all time rookie record for passing. So the "run first" argument was wrong pre draft and is wrong post draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Given our track record, it probably won't take as much for us to acquire him as it would for other teams, because our #1s will be more valuable on average than anyone else's owing to draft position. That said, given our track record, we would overpay anyway. Does a First rounder for Rob "Franchise Killer" Johnson help with the measuring stick? A first AND a fourth, remember. Not to mention our dignity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I just don't agree with many people here who say you can't give up a lot for a guy like Luck, in terms of future draft picks, because the Bills have too many needs. I think you do whatever it takes, draft wise, to get an excellent QB. A football team can be a playoff team overnight with an excellent QB. Without an excellent QB, a good team, otherwise, doesn't fare well. We can still use later round picks and UDFA's, and normal F.A.'s, for the years that the picks affect. If a team has no prospects at QB, hasn't had a good one in over a decade - then that team should do ANYTHING to get a good one, and then be creative in filling in needs around him. The Bills - if they so chose - could get via F.A. any other offensive weapons they wanted; I see them a good lineman, maybe a good TE, and a good WR away from being a plug Andrew Luck in and be top ten offense in the NFL. That's do-able. Fix the defense with whatever other resources are available, let Wanny get a feel for just what he's missing, and put everything into defense next year. That'd be a playoff team, I'd hope. The following year and for the next few after that it would be fine tuning. Ask anyone - would it have been worth it for Indy to have given up 3 1st round picks for Peyton Manning, and everyone would say - Without A Doubt, YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) My take on the situation is the Bills may finally have some decent talent evaluators on their staff, people that can get it right the first time. So, that being said this team currently has way to many holes in the roster to be giving away all their picks for two years for one player. Even 2 # ones would be one to many IMHO This year, OLB - DE- OT- WR would all improve this team, now imagine 2 good pass rushers, 2 good WR's and 2 good OT's and you have a solid team with some depth. Now throw in a top TE like Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham, move Fred Jackson to 3rd down specialist like Daryn Sproles, add a bruising, punishing RB and you have a very good balanced attack. Right now the bills don't really have a young QB they are grooming to be Fitz's replacement, unless you count 3rd string QB who is also the #2 WR in Brad Smith. Just think, If Whaley and NIx are as good as everyone thinks then howabout we let them find the next Tom Brady with the 6th pick Edited January 6, 2012 by Fear the Beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Perhaps I'm crazy, but is there anyone here who would prefer RG3 over Luck. I would. RG3 reminds me of Rothesburger, minus the immaturity issues. I might, I think that Luck will be a good pro but I don't know that he is the next Manning. Luck has two all americans who will be drafted in the first round and a very good TE. He also is in a dominant running offense. Most of his passes come off play action. He has not faced a lot of pressure from defenses. He does have a strong and accurate arm. On a team like the bills he would struggle to get to 8-8 his first year. I want to see them head to head at the combine. Right now in my mind they are in a dead heat. I do like the fact that RG3 put Baylor on his back and carried them to a great season. Edited January 7, 2012 by Trader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Jimmy Clausen is maybe one of the worst NFL Qbs ever. I still can't believe some folks here wnated him with 1st round pick. I dont disagree But many in the media said he was pro ready and baffled when he fell and now it makes sense. I personally think Luck will be very good. He looks the part and he's done a lot with not much around him in that stanford offense. But I'm still not forfeiting picks to move up and take this years once in a lifetime player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Jimmy Clausen is maybe one of the worst NFL Qbs ever. I still can't believe some folks here wnated him with 1st round pick. I wanted Clausen and still think he's never really gotten a real chance to be a starter. Carolina took the best player in the draft and it has clearly worked out. Comparing Cam to Clausen isn't really possible because they are two completely different types of QB's. To say he's one of the worst NFL QB's ever is a completely foolish statement. We've had QB's on our roster that were clearly worse than him. Craig Nall comes to mind right off the jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) That comparison is so inaccurate its laughable. RG3 is nothing like Newton. He's a pass first QB that is much more accurate than Newton. Griffin will run necessary, but he's not a one-read and take off QB like Newton is/was. still spouting this crap even after 16 NFL games proves that Cam is not a run first QB Edited January 7, 2012 by spartacus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 move Fred Jackson to 3rd down specialist like Daryn Sproles You mean the same Fred Jackson that was 3rd the NFL in Rushing and 2nd in Yards from scrimmage when he got hurt? Good plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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