Cheddar's Dad Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 Hay TURBOSRRGOOD; check out Scout.com. Look for an article titled "Linebackers On Speed". It's a story about last spring training and conditioning drills at North Carolina and the buzz about Zack Brown. Seems he ran a 4.28 forty. Coaches checked their stop watches and thought, must be a mistake. They had Brown run the forty again. This time it was a 4.26. BTW, he benches 380. Still not interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) C'man man. Ever hear of the blitz? Some very good teams do it all the time sometimes using safeties. I agree, it would be great to get a rushing DE. But name one that is worthy of a top half of the first round pick. Some say Couples. But I've read that NC converted him from DT to DE this year and he did not do as well with the move. This is my vision. Williams and Darius at DT with Shep at MLB. Shep is a thumper. He and the tackles make us strong in the middle. Additionally, both Williams and Darious can rush the passer, something that would rattle Brady since he likes to step up into the pocket (another reason I think we're going 43). At OLB, we have Barnett and Zack Brown. That combo gives us strength in the middle and speed on the outside. Doesn't that intrigue you just a little bit? Uhh, yeah, I've heard of the blitz. That doesn't change the fact that the Bills need a good pass rusher. You are saying we don't need good players if we just blitz all the time? Hate to break it to you, but that just won't work. Opposing coaches and QB's are just too smart for that. Blitzing can help, but it's not a cure all... I do watch a lot of college football, but this year I am not all that brushed up on top DE prospects. So to your point there may not be one worth taking with the Bills 1st pick, regardless it's a spot we need to fill if we are going to run an effective 4-3 base. Hay TURBOSRRGOOD; check out Scout.com. Look for an article titled "Linebackers On Speed". It's a story about last spring training and conditioning drills at North Carolina and the buzz about Zack Brown. Seems he ran a 4.28 forty. Coaches checked their stop watches and thought, must be a mistake. They had Brown run the forty again. This time it was a 4.26. BTW, he benches 380. Still not interested? Hey Cheddar..When replying to a post, try using the reply button, since you are talking to the wrong guy. Or at the very least, read carefully. I didn't post anything saying I wasn't interested in brown. Brown is interesting and seems decent for a 4-3 defense, but 230 is sounding a bit smallish for a high 1st round pick. Unfortunately combine numbers are far from a guarantee of NFL success. Edited January 3, 2012 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Zack Brown...late first...second rounder, but this all depends on his combine and pro day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 You are saying we don't need good players if we just blitz all the time? Hey Cheddar..When replying to a post, try using the reply button, Not saying that at all. Just saying that when slotting the draft and trying to fill needs, Brown may be the guy, better than any 43 DE available in the early part of the draft. Sorry about the reply button. I'm an old guy new to this posting stuff but passionate about my Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The size and speed of OLBs are different regarding 43 vs. 34 schemes. In a 34 scheme, you want your OLBs to be bigger, 6'4", 250-260 lbs. Bigger here also means a little slower. OLBs in a 43 defense can be a little smaller but are generally faster. The knock on Von Miller, before the draft, was that at 235/240, he could not set the edge for the defense. But in Denver's 43, he does very well. This year, if Buffalo moves to the 43, Zack Brown, OLB from North Carolina becomes very very interesting as our possible first round pick. Brown is very instinctive. He is 6'2+", 230 lbs and runs an estimated 4.45 forty. Outside pass rusher baby. There he is. We'd have to do that and am not sure Wanny is a big blitzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Zack Brown...late first...second rounder, but this all depends on his combine and pro day late first early second sounds about right, perhaps the Bills could move up from the second round- As to combines and pro-days if I ran a scouting department all ratings would be done beforehand and combines and pro-days would only be used to knock a player down the draft board never raise him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Hard to consider a guy with only 5.5 collegiate sacks as someone who can be counted on as an NFL pass rusher. But if a move to the 43 happens, OLBs in a 43 aren't typically counted on to supply the pass rush so I'm not sure that would matter. I can't see them making the switch to the 43 without planning on bringing in one if not two DEs as Dwan Edwards and Chris Kelsay will not be sufficient in that type of defense. Therefore, I can't see them making the switch at all. Kelsay is not sufficient as a 43 End? That's the only time he has looked good and he may be the world's latest bloomer but he has made a lot more plays the past 2 years in our "hybrid" and that was as a 43 End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Keep making the switch to the 3-4. Whichever Wannastedt thinks we are closer to, probably is the direction we will go. The people that don't think he can coach a 3-4 are fools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 1.)Quinton Coples DE – North Carolina 2a.) Brandon Thompson DT-Clemson 2b.)Alameda Ta’Amu DT- Washington 3.) Nigel Bradham-LB FSU 4a.) Brandon Lindsay – LB Pittsburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Keep making the switch to the 3-4. Not going to happen and with wanny's experience in a 43 doesn't make much sense, plus we've been pretty much running a 43 anyways so why bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I think the answer is more wildcat, and I'm not just talking offense. Defensive wildcat is cutting edge stuff. Can you imagine the nose tackle and corner switching spots right before the snap? It will confuse the hell out of everyone. We'll see how effective B Marshall and Welker are with KW jamming them at the line. And no way Mangold deals with McKelvins speed, NO WAY! The front seven becomes the back seven. This will be revolutionary stuff. And it starts in Buffalo. Like wings. GO BILLS!!! How would that work with the linebackers? Would they still be playing essentially the same position? Hay TURBOSRRGOOD; check out Scout.com. Look for an article titled "Linebackers On Speed". It's a story about last spring training and conditioning drills at North Carolina and the buzz about Zack Brown. Seems he ran a 4.28 forty. Coaches checked their stop watches and thought, must be a mistake. They had Brown run the forty again. This time it was a 4.26. BTW, he benches 380. Still not interested? I dunno. Can he actually play football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbillsfan Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The size and speed of OLBs are different regarding 43 vs. 34 schemes. In a 34 scheme, you want your OLBs to be bigger, 6'4", 250-260 lbs. Bigger here also means a little slower. OLBs in a 43 defense can be a little smaller but are generally faster. The knock on Von Miller, before the draft, was that at 235/240, he could not set the edge for the defense. But in Denver's 43, he does very well. This year, if Buffalo moves to the 43, Zack Brown, OLB from North Carolina becomes very very interesting as our possible first round pick. Brown is very instinctive. He is 6'2+", 230 lbs and runs an estimated 4.45 forty. Outside pass rusher baby. There he is. I was thinking that very thing. He was off my radar but evetything you here he is the perfect 43 olb 1.)Quinton Coples DE – North Carolina 2a.) Brandon Thompson DT-Clemson 2b.)Alameda Ta’Amu DT- Washington 3.) Nigel Bradham-LB FSU 4a.) Brandon Lindsay – LB Pittsburg why are we taking dt we have williams and daruis plus spencer johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Sorry about the reply button. I'm an old guy new to this posting stuff but passionate about my Bills. No problem. Nothing wrong with being passionate about the Bills... At this point I don't care who the Bills take, I just want to see some success... I like staying in my skeptical, pessimistic shell, as soon as I start getting hopeful about the Bills again they always wind up and kick me in the nuts.... Edited January 3, 2012 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 At this point I'm going off of Bills' needs, GBN Report of the top players and these player's youtube videos....LOL My draft wish is that the Bills trade up for RG III, but if that doesn't happen it has to be a three down pass rushing monster that we're looking for. Here's a couple of links to the players (with video)... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83979&draftyear=2012&genpos=DE http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69140&draftyear=2012&genpos=OLB Coples will hopefully be gone because he has not looked impressive (not at all) in any game I've seen and think he is way overrated. Maybe if he can get himself motivated he can be dominate but at this rate he will bust. Wish William Tourek from Florida international was coming out, this kid reminds me Jason P-P, ripped, muscular and athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The size and speed of OLBs are different regarding 43 vs. 34 schemes. In a 34 scheme, you want your OLBs to be bigger, 6'4", 250-260 lbs. Bigger here also means a little slower. OLBs in a 43 defense can be a little smaller but are generally faster. The knock on Von Miller, before the draft, was that at 235/240, he could not set the edge for the defense. But in Denver's 43, he does very well. This year, if Buffalo moves to the 43, Zack Brown, OLB from North Carolina becomes very very interesting as our possible first round pick. Brown is very instinctive. He is 6'2+", 230 lbs and runs an estimated 4.45 forty. Outside pass rusher baby. There he is. too small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Whichever Wannastedt thinks we are closer to, probably is the direction we will go. The people that don't think he can coach a 3-4 are fools And you base this on...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 And you base this on...? Come on. It's a defensive scheme. Not brain surgery. The guy has been doing this for years. He can direct either alignment to attack gaps quite easily. He just needs us to get players capable of doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Come on. It's a defensive scheme. Not brain surgery. The guy has been doing this for years. He can direct either alignment to attack gaps quite easily. He just needs us to get players capable of doing that. DCs tend to stick with what they know. Jim Haslett changed the Redskins to a 3-4. Jerry Gray changed us to a 4-3. George Edwards changed us back to a 3-4. Wade Phillips changed the Texans to a 3-4, as Dom Capers did the same to the Packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 DCs tend to stick with what they know. Jim Haslett changed the Redskins to a 3-4. Jerry Gray changed us to a 4-3. George Edwards changed us back to a 3-4. Wade Phillips changed the Texans to a 3-4, as Dom Capers did the same to the Packers. they may favor one, but it doesn't mean they can't run the other. Personally, I don't care which we run, or even if it takes a couple years to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 But aren't we looking at smaller, more athletic LBs in a 4-3? Any way, I made my mock draft today, and not only did I have Brown in the 1st, I had Ronnell Lewis from Oklahoma (6-2, 237) in the 2nd. Don't know, ask Chan and Wanny. I would not draft purely for scheme or use size/speed as the major indicators. Look at the films and find some football players. Get guys who can play and do it with passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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