bisonbrigade Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 On Offense the heart of the team is the WR's. In the spread Offense they are the playmakers and if you run this offense you need at least four really good WR;s to make it work. This is one reason they are struggle is that there only really good reciever, Stevie Johnson s banged up. They need to draft two or three SPREAD WR's in this draft. On Defense the heart of the team is the LB's. If you run a 3-4 defense this is your bread and butter. Barnett right now is the teams only quality LB. Sheppard might end up being the second, but everyone else stinks. There is no pass rush because the team does not have even one so-so OLB. The Bills need to draft two OLB's in the first four rounds. So why would you not draft to fill those needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 On Offense the heart of the team is the WR's. In the spread Offense they are the playmakers and if you run this offense you need at least four really good WR;s to make it work. This is one reason they are struggle is that there only really good reciever, Stevie Johnson s banged up. They need to draft two or three SPREAD WR's in this draft. On Defense the heart of the team is the LB's. If you run a 3-4 defense this is your bread and butter. Barnett right now is the teams only quality LB. Sheppard might end up being the second, but everyone else stinks. There is no pass rush because the team does not have even one so-so OLB. The Bills need to draft two OLB's in the first four rounds. So why would you not draft to fill those needs. Sorry, but the heart of an NFL team is the QB. Kelly was the heart of the late 80's early 90's Bills, Brady is the heart of the Pats, Manning is the heart of the Colts (who btw went almost winless after averaging 12 wins the last five years). This team needs to do whatever it takes to get either RG III or Barkley in the 2012 draft. They haven't been relevant in this league since Kelly left the building. Fitzpatrick's complete meltdown was and is the last straw for me. This team needs a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Sorry, but the heart of an NFL team is the QB. Kelly was the heart of the late 80's early 90's Bills, Brady is the heart of the Pats, Manning is the heart of the Colts (who btw went almost winless after averaging 12 wins the last five years). This team needs to do whatever it takes to get either RG III or Barkley in the 2012 draft. They haven't been relevant in this league since Kelly left the building. Fitzpatrick's complete meltdown was and is the last straw for me. This team needs a franchise QB. Thurman Thomas called, he said you might want to rethink that. Kelly was great, but without Thomas picking up blitzes and forcing the LB's and DB's to constantly worry about him, Kelly's numbers would be no where near what they are. Not to mention, Thomas has a shitload of receiving yards and YAC. Edited December 22, 2011 by Mike in Syracuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sorry, but the heart of an NFL team is the QB. Kelly was the heart of the late 80's early 90's Bills, Brady is the heart of the Pats, Manning is the heart of the Colts (who btw went almost winless after averaging 12 wins the last five years). This team needs to do whatever it takes to get either RG III or Barkley in the 2012 draft. They haven't been relevant in this league since Kelly left the building. Fitzpatrick's complete meltdown was and is the last straw for me. This team needs a franchise QB. Sorry, but the Bills do have a QB, and that is Fitz. His meltdown came when every week he lost another WR and now has taxi squad WR;s to throw to. Plus Fred Jackson and Wood is on the IR, Chandler hurt too. If he had Fred, Chandler, Parrish and Wood back plus two new stud rookie WR's you see a different player. RG3 will be a bust, I would bet my Bills bumper Sticker on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sorry, but the Bills do have a QB, and that is Fitz. His meltdown came when every week he lost another WR and now has taxi squad WR;s to throw to. Plus Fred Jackson and Wood is on the IR, Chandler hurt too. If he had Fred, Chandler, Parrish and Wood back plus two new stud rookie WR's you see a different player. RG3 will be a bust, I would bet my Bills bumper Sticker on it. Yes we do have a QB and that QB is Fitz, as of right now. I thought that Fitz could possibly be the answer early in the year, servicable enough to get us to the playoffs anyway. I was completely wrong. He does not have the arm strength or the consistent accuracy once you get past 15-20 yards downfield. He is successful getting the ball out quickly on timing routes, but he struggles when having to give things that extra second to develop. Those are the deeper throws that you never know what you are going to get with him. He also displays bad footwork many times, tries to throw off of his back foot, and is just off balance in general leading to inaccurate throws. Some would say the line is making it to where he has to do such things, but that's not always the case. A lot of times he has just gotten too excited in the pocket for no apparent reason. Bottom line, we are still in need of a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sorry, but the Bills do have a QB, and that is Fitz. His meltdown came when every week he lost another WR and now has taxi squad WR;s to throw to. Plus Fred Jackson and Wood is on the IR, Chandler hurt too. If he had Fred, Chandler, Parrish and Wood back plus two new stud rookie WR's you see a different player. RG3 will be a bust, I would bet my Bills bumper Sticker on it. Couldn't disagree more. RG3 is the real deal. Just watch him play in the bowl game, then tell me what you think. Fitz was playing way over his head and has come crashing back to earth. Yes, there have been a slew of injuries, but they have absolutely zero to do with him not being able to connect with wide open receivers. His inaccuracy is the problem, not the WR's. This team desperately needs a QB, and Fitz ain't him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEBuffaloBillsFan Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I've always thought that a QB is only as good as his WRs and vice versa. If a receiver does not have the speed to get open or the hands to catch those non-perfectly thrown balls, it does not matter how good your QB is. On the other hand, if the WR has all those traits and the QB still can't get them the ball, it does not matter how good your WR is. The same could be said for the RB and the offensive line relationship. I guess my point is, the offense needs ALL of these things to be successful. The Bills are not there yet. GOOD draft picks and GOOD free agents pickups help get you there. The thing that brings all this together is GOOD coaching. I think we have the QB (Fitz), I thinks we have the RBs (Fred and CJ). The Bills just need a healthy cohesive offensive line (for a whole year) and a few more good receivers and they may have something. I am still iffy on the coaching but I am not ready to throw Chan to the wolves yet. I just read this back to myself and it sounds too simplistic but I still think its true. I guess its just tough to win in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 <snip> A lot of times he has just gotten too excited in the pocket for no apparent reason. Bottom line, we are still in need of a franchise QB. I've seen too many unblocked defender's on the pass rush so I believe Fitz has to be a little and/or a lot jittery/excited. The inteception he threw last week he looked scared as he was duckin the defender after he unloaded a poor pass. That being said, he underthrew a potential TD 2 weeks ago and overthrew a potential TD last week. You have to take advantage of those oppurtunities when they happen. So yeah, I do agree with your bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Thurman Thomas called, he said you might want to rethink that. Kelly was great, but without Thomas picking up blitzes and forcing the LB's and DB's to constantly worry about him, Kelly's numbers would be no where near what they are. Not to mention, Thomas has a shitload of receiving yards and YAC. I think we also heard from the defense, they think they had something to do with the team's success. Without Bruuuuuuuce, Biscuit, and Talley to get the stop and get the ball back to the offense, Kelly's numbers would be no where near what they are. Kelly also had two tough, well-coached quality receivers and two servicable receivers, plus a quality TE and Thurman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sorry, but the heart of an NFL team is the QB. The QB may be the heart, but without the lungs and the aorta, oxygen doesn't get to the arms and legs and they don't move too well. I live in St Louis. I think Bradford has the capability to be the heart of a team And the 2011 Rams show just how putrid the heart can look when the lungs and aorta aren't working properly. Keep in mind Bradford is a genuine, franchise-quality QB who was drafted #1 overall. Last year he was NFL AP "Rookie of the Year", he looked that poised, that good, that pro-game-ready. The Rams missed the playoffs by a hair, in a weak conference true, but still, it was exciting. This year, without a quality OL and quality receivers and with questionable play calling and coaching, he's rocking an equal number of TD and INTs and a mighty QB rating of 70.5 with 53.5% completion percentage. And this is a genuine franchise-quality QB, peeps, Heisman winner, rookie of the year winner, drafted #1 overall. This is what happens when you have a genuine franchise QB playing "run for your life" and under pressure with a questionable coach after having been "tossed into the frying pan" of being an NFL starter. It's year 2, and people are putting his stats next to stats of crummy QBs and starting to use the B-word. I get so aggravated with all the TBD posters who think you can put a QB in a vacuum bag with nothing around him and he'll magically make the team a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The QB may be the heart, but without the lungs and the aorta, oxygen doesn't get to the arms and legs and they don't move too well. I know the linemen are the pawns in the chess analogy… I'm trying to figure out what they are in the body analogy. Scapulas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I dont really disagree with anything the OP said...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 One of the rare threads where all of you are right. The WRs, offensive line, LBs, DB, and yes even the QB need to be upgraded. That, or the current players on those units need to markedly improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Ike Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Brady was great for years without WRs, so was McNabb. Stud WRs are the most overrated position in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Brady was great for years without WRs, so was McNabb. Stud WRs are the most overrated position in the game Ha!! Brady had an awesome defense bail him out for years, then got Moss, then got Welker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Sorry, but the Bills do have a QB, and that is Fitz. His meltdown came when every week he lost another WR and now has taxi squad WR;s to throw to. Plus Fred Jackson and Wood is on the IR, Chandler hurt too. If he had Fred, Chandler, Parrish and Wood back plus two new stud rookie WR's you see a different player. RG3 will be a bust, I would bet my Bills bumper Sticker on it. .......Fitz lacks the arm and accuracy to make it in this league.....I am sure there are tons of WR's from the NCAA who can run routes and catch.........This is on the Fitzter bro....sorry to say.....watch the games again and pay attention to the easy routes that sail on him.......I like the guy and supported him but he is and will always be a career backup....I will bet my Bills bumper sticker on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Thurman Thomas called, he said you might want to rethink that. Kelly was great, but without Thomas picking up blitzes and forcing the LB's and DB's to constantly worry about him, Kelly's numbers would be no where near what they are. Not to mention, Thomas has a shitload of receiving yards and YAC. If I'm not mistaken Thomas was 80-85% of that late 80- early 90 Buffalo Bills offense, and in most years the bills ran the ball more often then they threw it. Comparatively, Dan Marino called and he wishes he had Thurman Thomas on his Dolphin teams all those years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecarter Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Draft Justin Blackmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 .......Fitz lacks the arm and accuracy to make it in this league.....I am sure there are tons of WR's from the NCAA who can run routes and catch.........This is on the Fitzter bro....sorry to say.....watch the games again and pay attention to the easy routes that sail on him.......I like the guy and supported him but he is and will always be a career backup....I will bet my Bills bumper sticker on it... Fitz has played well against Big name teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore last year and New England this year. Thats when he had healthy WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I've seen too many unblocked defender's on the pass rush so I believe Fitz has to be a little and/or a lot jittery/excited. The inteception he threw last week he looked scared as he was duckin the defender after he unloaded a poor pass. The Bills are tied for 1st (with Tennessee) in Sacks allowed...If Fitz is jittery/excited he needs to find a new job...Because most NFL QB's are being pressured FAR more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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