Mediaman Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 This article is a little long, but it takes on the topic I started a few weeks ago. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...religiousnature MERRY CHRISTMAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAL Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 This article is a little long, but it takes on the topic I started a few weeks ago. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...religiousnature MERRY CHRISTMAS 173358[/snapback] Happy Hanukkah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Must we go over this Newt Gingrich talking point again? 80-something percent of Americans celebrate Christmas. There is Christmas music, there are Christmas sales, there are Christmas decorations, everywhere. There are tons of Christmas specials and movies on TV. No one is making any of this stop, no one is taking down decorations. No one is forcing churches to remove nativity scenes. The idea that somehow there is less "Christmas" in our culture today because of political correctness is confounding. Whether the meaning of it has decayed is another issue, but that's one for the church to take care of, and not government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Saw some atheist kook on MSNBC last night going on and on trying to make the connection that Christmas is "forced" on her by heterosexual white conservative men. It was comical, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 The "Christ" went out of Christmas long ago when the day turned from being an observation of the birth of Jesus Christ to a season of greed and occasional good spirit which doesn't come near making up for the horrible things people do to each other the other 364 days. So who gives a rat's ass what it's called? "Happy Holidays" is probably more appropriate to the reality of the season than "Merry Christmas". Funny that we see the Christian Coalition freaking out about the NAME but not the SUBSTANCE. But not surprising, most of this "family values" stuff is all lip service anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 From the article: "In a new CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, 44% of Americans surveyed said the trend toward "Happy Holidays" is a change for the better, and 43% said it wasn't. Only 11%, however, said they avoid saying "Merry Christmas" out of fear of offending someone." Doesn't look like that big of a deal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 From the article: "In a new CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, 44% of Americans surveyed said the trend toward "Happy Holidays" is a change for the better, and 43% said it wasn't. Only 11%, however, said they avoid saying "Merry Christmas" out of fear of offending someone." Doesn't look like that big of a deal to me. 173479[/snapback] It is only an issue for the hypersensitive. In a topsy-turvy way, the anger over the trend in preference of saying "Happy Holidays" as opposed to "Merry Christmas" is as much an example of silly political correctness as insisting that people say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". The easy resolution for all but the hyper is: Say Merry Christmas when you wish to bestow such a wish on christians and if you don't know if the recipients of your wish would be offended, say Happy Holidays. It isn't political correctness, it is simply being polite. Remeber when people actually cared about such a thing? Remember when boorish behaviour was shunned and not applauded or rewarded with an appreciative and like minded audience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 From the article: "In a new CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, 44% of Americans surveyed said the trend toward "Happy Holidays" is a change for the better, and 43% said it wasn't. Only 11%, however, said they avoid saying "Merry Christmas" out of fear of offending someone." Doesn't look like that big of a deal to me. 173479[/snapback] What's the percentage of people who said "I don't give a flying rat's ass, people should just stop being stupid."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 It is only an issue for the hypersensitive. In a topsy-turvy way, the anger over the trend in preference of saying "Happy Holidays" as opposed to "Merry Christmas" is as much an example of silly political correctness as insisting that people say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". The easy resolution for all but the hyper is: Say Merry Christmas when you wish to bestow such a wish on christians and if you don't know if the recipients of your wish would be offended, say Happy Holidays. It isn't political correctness, it is simply being polite. Remeber when people actually cared about such a thing? Remember when boorish behaviour was shunned and not applauded or rewarded with an appreciative and like minded audience? 173545[/snapback] I wonder how many of these ultra-devout christians on the front lines of this percieved holy war will actually be going to mass on Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 What's the percentage of people who said "I don't give a flying rat's ass, people should just stop being stupid."? 173564[/snapback] Looks like they left pagans/satan-worshippers out of the poll. Must be an oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 I wonder how many of these ultra-devout christians on the front lines of this percieved holy war will actually be going to mass on Christmas? 173584[/snapback] For the only time of the year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 For the only time of the year... 173594[/snapback] At least I have an excuse, I am a treasonous gay loving christ hating pagan. I don't have to go to church, a fact the congregation, curiously enough, keeps pointing out to me everytime I show up. I am beginning to think they are on to my evil agenda. Curses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 A couple weeks ago, someone in my basketball league wished me a Happy Channukah. Boy was I offended. I told him to stick his Manora where the sun don't shine and then I contacted my lawyer, who is me, and filed a complaint. My requested relief was that he wish me a Merry Christmas and pay me for the time I missed due to the trauma caused by the Channukah greeting. My lawyer says I have a good case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 This country is really starting to suck; you have a choice between the hypersensitive liberal nonsense representative of the Berkeley school, and on the other side you have the ignorant, hypersensitive conservative who thinks everyone should do what they say and to hell with others. I myself am getting beyond distressed with all of this CRAP that we are faced with. Damnit, the real America that I love doesn't exist anymore... so I'm hiding in northern Quebec with Mad Dog Lussier, watching ol time hockey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Well, I'll take Eastern Vermont, anyways) !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 A couple weeks ago, someone in my basketball league wished me a Happy Channukah. Boy was I offended. I told him to stick his Manora where the sun don't shine and then I contacted my lawyer, who is me, and filed a complaint. My requested relief was that he wish me a Merry Christmas and pay me for the time I missed due to the trauma caused by the Channukah greeting. My lawyer says I have a good case. 173627[/snapback] There was a similiar topic on Lars Larsen last night on my drive home because some rag wrote an article on Adam Sandler's Hannukah song. It was amazing to hear people get so spun up about nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimshiz Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Funny that we see the Christian Coalition freaking out about the NAME but not the SUBSTANCE. But not surprising, most of this "family values" stuff is all lip service anyway. 173473[/snapback] You truly are disgusting !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 You truly are disgusting !!! 174782[/snapback] It's true... they are most of the time behaving like Jerry Falwell, getting their jollies while putting on their 'I am perfect' act. Nobody believes it except the ignorant and the old people they sucker in to send them money. I don't think they are true Christians... they are Pharisees of the modern age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 What's the percentage of people who said "I don't give a flying rat's ass, people should just stop being stupid."? 173564[/snapback] Not nearly enough. And, sadly, I'll bet at least twice as many people thought a federally funded program to address the "issue" was called for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 So who gives a rat's ass what it's called? "Happy Holidays" is probably more appropriate to the reality of the season than "Merry Christmas". No its not. Funny that we see the Christian Coalition freaking out about the NAME but not the SUBSTANCE. But not surprising, most of this "family values" stuff is all lip service anyway. Check yourself. Not where Im from. Not with MY family, thank you. Not perfect we are, the "Fasts", but the "reason for the season" is alive and well with us. To the original point....I wish my Jewish friends Happy Hannukkah....my Christian friends Merry Christmas. If Im talking to someone Im not sure of with a name full of vowels, I say Christmas. If I talking to someone with a "berg" on the end of the name, I say Hannukkah. If Im not sure, I say "Enjoy your holiday". Works just fine. The fact that the ultra left and athesists get so bent over the mere acknowledgement of religion in schools or on soil that's cared for with tax dollars and intrepret that as some kind of offensive "forcing" of religion on people is ridiculous. Having fun with the holidays and teaching religion's place in society over the course of the history of this country is not "indocrination". Having the school choruses sing religious songs isnt, either. When I was a kid and the holiday time came around, as a Catholic I desired to learn MORE about Jewish holidays, not less. And sing the songs and make dredels (sp?) in class and what not. It was FUN learning about other cultures and religions. And I NEVER felt that be doing this stuff, I was being "indoctrinated" or was having the Jewish and Muslim religious traditions of the seasons "forced" on me. I just thought I was LEARNING. Imagine that. People need to lighten up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I wonder how many of these ultra-devout christians on the front lines of this percieved holy war will actually be going to mass on Christmas? 173584[/snapback] Mass... Mass? You know they will be offended by your Catholic term. The hypersensitive probably want you to say "service?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 To the original point....I wish my Jewish friends Happy Hannukkah....my Christian friends Merry Christmas. If Im talking to someone Im not sure of with a name full of vowels, I say Christmas. If I talking to someone with a "berg" on the end of the name, I say Hannukkah. If Im not sure, I say "Enjoy your holiday". Works just fine. 175352[/snapback] Let me guess? You graduated magna cum laude from Archie Bunker correspondent school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Let me guess? You graduated magna cum laude from Archie Bunker correspondent school? 176598[/snapback] Good way to keep the discussion going. Find one little word amongst many, twist it into something its NOT and then accuse the poster of something reprehensible based on that one word. Dont be an !@#$. I was just trying to say that if I'm speaking with someone who is most likely jewish. Care to comment on the REST of the post, or would that ruin your pathetic attempt to hurl a stupid insult for no damned good reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAL Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 No its not.Check yourself. Not where Im from. Not with MY family, thank you. Not perfect we are, the "Fasts", but the "reason for the season" is alive and well with us. To the original point....I wish my Jewish friends Happy Hannukkah....my Christian friends Merry Christmas. If Im talking to someone Im not sure of with a name full of vowels, I say Christmas. If I talking to someone with a "berg" on the end of the name, I say Hannukkah. If Im not sure, I say "Enjoy your holiday". Works just fine. The fact that the ultra left and athesists get so bent over the mere acknowledgement of religion in schools or on soil that's cared for with tax dollars and intrepret that as some kind of offensive "forcing" of religion on people is ridiculous. Having fun with the holidays and teaching religion's place in society over the course of the history of this country is not "indocrination". Having the school choruses sing religious songs isnt, either. When I was a kid and the holiday time came around, as a Catholic I desired to learn MORE about Jewish holidays, not less. And sing the songs and make dredels (sp?) in class and what not. It was FUN learning about other cultures and religions. And I NEVER felt that be doing this stuff, I was being "indoctrinated" or was having the Jewish and Muslim religious traditions of the seasons "forced" on me. I just thought I was LEARNING. Imagine that. People need to lighten up. 175352[/snapback] So you are basically saying that "Enjoy your Holiday" which is the equivalent of Happy Holidays is okay to say if you are unsure of what holiday a particular person celebrates? Wasn't the original point of the thread a slam on those who say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 25, 2004 Share Posted December 25, 2004 Good way to keep the discussion going. Find one little word amongst many, twist it into something its NOT and then accuse the poster of something reprehensible based on that one word. Dont be an !@#$. I was just trying to say that if I'm speaking with someone who is most likely jewish. Care to comment on the REST of the post, or would that ruin your pathetic attempt to hurl a stupid insult for no damned good reason? 177011[/snapback] You are such a stand-up guy. Lighten up... I was just being funny... It just struck me as so "Archie Bunkereque." "He who laughs last, lasts" Oh... Feliz Navidad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted December 25, 2004 Share Posted December 25, 2004 You are such a stand-up guy. Lighten up... I was just being funny... It just struck me as so "Archie Bunkereque." "He who laughs last, lasts" Oh... Feliz Navidad 177543[/snapback] It did sound that way, and I thought it was funny! If you can't appreciate that joke, then you don't know comedy! Remember the phone book, when he was looking for a lawyer, and the lawyers came over? That show was GUT-BUSTINGLY funny!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted December 25, 2004 Share Posted December 25, 2004 MERRY CHRISTMAS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 "Season's Greetings" has been used since time out of mind on cards, commercials and everything else and it never occurred to me until now that perhaps it was done to to avoid saying "Merry Christmas". I had a Hindu guy wish me Merry Christmas and thought it was droll in his sincerity; I don't know why the WORDS matter more than the SPIRIT. To me, they don't. Peace on earth, goodwill toward men. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 The show was great, yes. I didnt take what you said as a joke. If itwas, then fine. Call me nuts, but I dont like being called a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 The show was great, yes. I didnt take what you said as a joke. If itwas, then fine. Call me nuts, but I dont like being called a racist. 178158[/snapback] I hear ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 The show was great, yes. I didnt take what you said as a joke. If itwas, then fine. Call me nuts, but I dont like being called a racist. 178158[/snapback] I never called you a racist. Archie Bunker wasn't a racist, maybe a bigot? If you watched the show, you would have noticed that even know he was slow to change, in the end, he knew what the right thing was... In short, he wasn't a very bad person. He was a loveable, devoted, honorable husband if you saw through his rough facade... A scared person. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Im just pissy and sensitive...I admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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