Simon Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 Stevie had two steps and a well-thrown ball is a TD. Like the call or not, the second guessing only comes into play when the execution fails. I'm with you if there's 5-6 minutes left. But in this case, you've hit the point where game management becomes your primary consideration. A TD doesn't win you the game right there but just a couple 5 yard completions or runs might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldaBillsFan Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I like the call....just not the pass....but it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 (edited) Only if he completes it for a touchdown. Otherwise, no. Really not sure why you're being so smarmy, but, IMO, when your defense is horrid, and you have the ball in FG range with 4:00 left in a tie game, the smart play is to run the ball. Edited October 16, 2011 by bills44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 Really not sure why you're being so smarmy, I'm guessing its because we're all cranky after a tough loss And he's naturally smarmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostradamus Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Best case scenario that plays puts us up 7 and puts the game in the hands of our defense (GULP) with 4 minutes to go. We saw the worst case scenario play out. You run the ball there and kill some clock, especially when your QB already threw a pick trying the exact same pass earlier in the game. There's no way we could run the clock out in that scenario either. Gailey knew that play would be open. (It was). Also, with a suspect defense, it's obviously better to go up 7 than 3. There is no way Gailey could anticipate Fitz throwing a similarly horrible pass to what he did earlier. I can't fault the play call in that instance. I absolutely fault Fitzpatrick because, as a supposed second coach out there on the field, he should make a concerted effort that if he were to make a mistake on that pass, it'd be an overthrow, not an underthrow. In that instance, that mistake is 100% on him. He cost us the game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Really not sure why you're being so smarmy, but, IMO, when your defense is horrid, and you have the ball in FG range with 4:00 left in a tie game, the smart play is to run the ball. Undoubtedly that's what Jauron would have done. There's no way we could run the clock out in that scenario either. Gailey knew that play would be open. (It was). Also, with a suspect defense, it's obviously better to go up 7 than 3. There is no way Gailey could anticipate Fitz throwing a similarly horrible pass to what he did earlier. I can't fault the play call in that instance. I absolutely fault Fitzpatrick because, as a supposed second coach out there on the field, he should make a concerted effort that if he were to make a mistake on that pass, it'd be an overthrow, not an underthrow. In that instance, that mistake is 100% on him. He cost us the game today. Undoubtedly. I think most of us would have predicted that Fitz would have made the adjustment and made a good throw the second time he ran that route/play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Undoubtedly that's what Jauron would have done. Jauron would've called 3 straight runs up the gut and attempted the field goal. Gailey goes for the end-zone on first down. I prefer the latter, but perhaps somewhere in between was the smartest move there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Undoubtedly that's what Jauron would have done. Undoubtedly. I think most of us would have predicted that Fitz would have made the adjustment and made a good throw the second time he ran that route/play. what does Jauron have to do with anything? If Jauron is your point of reference for Gailey, you're really not holding him to a very high standard. Do you ask yourself what Trent Edwards would have done whenver Fitz makes a bad play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 We've been playing this way all season. Everybody loved it when it was working. It's asinine to think it will work every time. The time that it doesn't, people want to jump down Chan's throat? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 (edited) Why ask him to throw that route there? I'm not demanding he throw Fred and Corey into the middle of the pile, but there was NO need to attack the endzone in that situation Gailey isn't conservative by nature. He made the call, Stevie beat his man, but Fitz threw a soft horribly under thrown ball. It that situation it's far better to take the shot, but if you miss, miss long. Edited October 16, 2011 by Spiderweb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I said Run the ball as I had been saying a ton of times today. Jackson and maybe a reverse by Spoiller would have been fine with me and safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Stupid call in that situation and terrible execution from Fitz, but hey that happens sometimes. Well get em in two weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I also disagreed with that play call. Even if it did work leaving time on the clock is foolish. Run that ball and use the clock at that point in time of the game. Buffalo still lacks a dominate pass rusher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 21 designed rushing attempts today (not counting 2 Fitz scrambles).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 There's no way we could run the clock out in that scenario either. Baloney There is no way Gailey could anticipate Fitz throwing a similarly horrible pass to what he did earlier. I can't imagine its all that hard to anticipate a recurrence of something that had happened a few minutes previously. You don't have to be Nostradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Gailey isn't conservative by nature. He made the call, Stevie beat his man, but Fitz threw a soft horribly under thrown ball. It that situation it's far better to take the shot, but if you miss, miss long. I gotta agree with simon. There is no need for a pass play call on 1st down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I thought it was interesting that Gilbride called basically the same play on their third down on the following drive. The ball wasn't nearly as underthrown, but Florence had a shot at it if he turned around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 (edited) <br> what does Jauron have to do with anything? If Jauron is your point of reference for Gailey, you're really not holding him to a very high standard.<br><br>Do you ask yourself what Trent Edwards would have done whenver Fitz makes a bad play?<br> Yes I do. We had 4 years of playing not to lose under Jauron… I'd say it's a bit fickle, lacking in perspective, and short-memoried AND convenient to complain about our team trying to make an emphatic play to grab the victory. Edited October 16, 2011 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 geez...its not like it was a bomb. It was a 20 yard pass. Did you expect gailey to go jauron-esque and run the ball to the left hash for three straight plays and settle for a 46 yard field goal with 3:00 mins to play. The play was there and needed to be made, or at the very least fitz should know to put the ball where only his recceiver could get. Fitz f'd it up and it cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 (edited) <br>Yes I do.<br><br>We had 4 years of playing not to lose under Jauron… I'd say it's a bit fickle, lacking in perspective, and short-memoried AND convenient to complain about our team trying to make an emphatic play to grab the victory.<br><br> OK, have fun with your memories of Jauron and Edwards. There's more than 1 way, other than throwing a deep ball, to "grab a victory" in that situation. Regardless, even if completed for a TD, the Giants have 4:00 to score - given how horrid the D is, a vistory is far from a sure thing. Check the shout box, I said to run the ball BEFORE the play in question was even run. No hindsight or "convenience" on my part. Edited October 16, 2011 by bills44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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