spiller4president Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 If you take out the first game of the season against Miami, he's got 4.7 ypc and long runs of 15+ in 5 out of the 9 games all with 7 or less rushes a game (this includes the GB game where he got a single rush). He also has a kick return for a TD; doesn't seem too terrible to me. He's on a bad team, and we need to be patient. There are glimpses of good shtuff here. SPILLER 4 PRESIDENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreReed83 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 If you take out the first game of the season against Miami, he's got 4.7 ypc and long runs of 15+ in 5 out of the 9 games all with 7 or less rushes a game (this includes the GB game where he got a single rush). He also has a kick return for a TD; doesn't seem too terrible to me. He's on a bad team, and we need to be patient. There are glimpses of good shtuff here. SPILLER 4 PRESIDENT Jahvid Best's numbers are beter and he's on an equally bad team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Jahvid Best's numbers are beter and he's on an equally bad team I'm sure I'm late to declare this, but you have reached troll status. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreReed83 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I'm sure I'm late to declare this, but you have reached troll status. Congrats! Thanks. I apologize that you're never able to prove your points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I swear, people who support Spiller because he's fast must really LOVE Al Davis's approach to drafting. Thats the point im trying to make. If we got him middle or late first round, then i'd be A LOT more patient with him. It's completely different than Mendenhall or Steven Jackson. Those RB's were taken late first round and arent as costly so I wouldnt care as much if it took time for them to produce. But why the hell do we have to WAIT for Spiller to show promise? Top 10 picks should produce IMMEDIATELY. They should at least play enough to make some kinda impact. 500 or 600 yds maybe. 5 TDs? Am I asking for too much from a top 10 RB? So you originally compared Mendenhall, and Steve Jackson with Spiller, and now you decided to change your tune. Now its, "well Steven Jackson was drafted 15 spots after CJ Spiller. So If you're drafted #24 you get a year, if you're drafted #9 you don't get a year." Awesome opinion, thanks. Spiller has had little impact through the first 12 games and was drafted with #9 pick. Great, you accessed the obvious, Amazing analysis. No one is arguing the obvious. Care to offer anything original or insightful? Its Week 14 Spiller is on the roster, what do you suggest the Bills do? (As a side note the Oakland Raiders are 6-6 and have an outside chance at a Wild Card. Also even though ESPN likes to make fun of Al Davis outside of JaWalrus and Darrius Heyward-Bey, they have had 4 years of very good draft picks that are making a difference on the field. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/draft.htm) Thanks. I apologize that you're never able to prove your points. Its easy to be "right" when you state the obvious, have to wait years to be proved wrong, and ignore direct questions. What happens when Spiller has back to back 1,000 yards in 2013 and 2014 on a Bills' playoff run? Was it still a wasted pick then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreReed83 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Its easy to be "right" when you state the obvious, have to wait years to be proved wrong, and ignore direct questions. What happens when Spiller has back to back 1,000 yards in 2013 and 2014 on a Bills' playoff run? Was it still a wasted pick then? Of course not but we all know that, that won't happen so as of right now, it's a waste of a pick. You guys can dream and hope and pray that Spiller doesn't become the next Whitner or the next McCargo, or the next Mike WIlliams, or the next Losman, or the next Flowers, or the next Maybin, or the next McKelvin. I make judgements off what I've seen and what they've done. And I haven't been impressed with Spiller at all. Sure he has over 4 yds per carry, but he doesn't have a lot of carries. 4.1 yds per touch for the AVERAGE 4.8 carries he has in a game That doesn't impress me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I love Fred make no mistake about it- Spiller is a homerun threat every time he touches it, jeez guys give him some time to adjust not only to the league but this is a pass happy offense he needs to know his blitz pickups etc. He's going to be great lets let him get 12-15 games under the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiller4president Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Jahvid Best's numbers are beter and he's on an equally bad team Best is averaging 3.3 ypc... http://www.nfl.com/players/jahvidbest/gamelogs?id=BES682260 and gets an average of 12 attempts per game (compared to spiller's 5)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 So if Freddy is the 11th best back in the best football league in the world (bar none) he is average? Got it. High standards you have.. Actually no, he is far more worse than that. Was just being cute to make the point. He's currently 20th in the league in rushing. But yeah, I guess you'd call him a slightly-below-average-NFL-running-back, but average is easier to type. A universe away from being elite, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Actually no, he is far more worse than that. Was just being cute to make the point. He's currently 20th in the league in rushing. But yeah, I guess you'd call him a slightly-below-average-NFL-running-back, but average is easier to type. A universe away from being elite, though. You do realize how much scheme affects your beloved stats, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Of course not but we all know that, that won't happen so as of right now, it's a waste of a pick. You guys can dream and hope and pray that Spiller doesn't become the next Whitner or the next McCargo, or the next Mike WIlliams, or the next Losman, or the next Flowers, or the next Maybin, or the next McKelvin. I make judgements off what I've seen and what they've done. And I haven't been impressed with Spiller at all. Sure he has over 4 yds per carry, but he doesn't have a lot of carries. 4.1 yds per touch for the AVERAGE 4.8 carries he has in a game That doesn't impress me at all. Just so I can understand what you are saying...... - You denounce Spiller's 4.1 yards per carry because he doesn't have enough touches - Then you applaud Best because he has more stats on a equally bad team....and is the main back with lots of touches Okkkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyyyy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 You do realize how much scheme affects your beloved stats, right? *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Jahvid Best's numbers are beter and he's on an equally bad team And if Fred Jackson was a Lion, Best would be picking pine splinters out of his arse instead of Spiller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Fred Jackson for LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Sounds about right, but don't we need to get more out of him given his high draft status? Reggie Bush has more than 30 touchdowns in this league. I don't think it's a given Spiller will have as successful a career as Reggie Bush. Spiller better average a lot more than the 400 yds / year rushing Bush puts up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Spiller was an obvious Ralph Wilson pick, the goal being to draw more fans and increase profit. The problem is, the season is 3/4 over and Spiller didn't produce enough to sell tickets. Will he? One never knows but I for one doubt it. A qb WOULD sell tickets next season because that is the way it works. Luck will be gone and Ralph will draft Ryan Mallett, unless Dallas trades ahead of us and grabs him first. The thing is, this is the one time Ralph would be doing the right thing. Nix/Gailey can go after blockers and LBs in rounds 2-7 and free agency, but I digress. Spiller looks to be a tiny little gadget player. If he breaks one now and then people will have stats to point to, but he was a very ill advised draft selection in terms of the Bills winning football games. To put it into context, drafting Spiller was almost as bad as drafting Whitner at #8 or McKelvin at #11, and these picks were nothing short of utter idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Spiller was an obvious Ralph Wilson pick, the goal being to draw more fans and increase profit. The problem is, the season is 3/4 over and Spiller didn't produce enough to sell tickets. Will he? One never knows but I for one doubt it. A qb WOULD sell tickets next season because that is the way it works. Luck will be gone and Ralph will draft Ryan Mallett, unless Dallas trades ahead of us and grabs him first. The thing is, this is the one time Ralph would be doing the right thing. Nix/Gailey can go after blockers and LBs in rounds 2-7 and free agency, but I digress. Spiller looks to be a tiny little gadget player. If he breaks one now and then people will have stats to point to, but he was a very ill advised draft selection in terms of the Bills winning football games. To put it into context, drafting Spiller was almost as bad as drafting Whitner at #8 or McKelvin at #11, and these picks were nothing short of utter idiocy. - I agree that this might have well been a Ralph Wilson pick...but that doesn't have to be all bad. We need playmakers and while he might have been a "ticket selling pick" we may have gotten some talent along the way - Wouldn't you like to see Spiller get some starts past his rookie year before you start declaring him Whitner or McKelvin? - It is way to early to be calling Spiller a bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I would've seriously have had a long look at Brandon Graham at that spot or Jason Pierre Paul. Would've been slight reaches but wouldve helped our 34 defense immensely. Fair enough But in all fairness they didn't know what was going to happen with Schrobel, Drafted Troupe in the next round, then Carrington after that.....both Troupe and Carrington look like they could be solid players. I dont believe in getting gunshy after bad picks.....but maybe after the Maybin pick they got skittish? But if one of those players DID pan out our defense would look a lot better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Why can't we use him like Danny Woodhead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Troupe and Carrington look like they could be solid players. Now that is some seriously wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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