sharper802 Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 (edited) Brian Brohm will be cut this weekend. Had he come out after his Junior year he likely would have been the #1 pick of the entire draft. Three years later he will be out of the league. Just say no to QB's in round one. Next year Santa please bring me an offensive tackle or inside linebacker in round one. Edited August 29, 2010 by sharper802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Even so point is Brohm was taken in the second and late second at that. I disagree 3 legit QB prospects next year and if trent doesnt turn around (I saw some okay stuff tonight) then get Locker, Luck, or Mallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Trent 1 Fitz 2 Brohm 3 Brown PS Fitz is what he is, a good back up. Brohm is worth keeping as a development player so is Brown and he will clear waivers IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Brian Brohm will be cut this weekend. Had he come out after his Junior year he likely would have been the #1 pick of the entire draft. Three years later he will be out of the league. Just say no to QB's in round one. Next year Santa please bring me an offensive tackle or inside linebacker in round one. Tell you what. You make your list of guys currently starting in the NFL NOT taking in the first round and I'll make a list of guys that were. We can then decide which list you'd rather have. Just to warn you - it's going to get scary after you put down Brady and Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Brian Brohm will be cut this weekend. Had he come out after his Junior year he likely would have been the #1 pick of the entire draft. Three years later he will be out of the league. Just say no to QB's in round one. Next year Santa please bring me an offensive tackle or inside linebacker in round one. You cannot just dismiss QBs from the first round just because of risk. Risk is always a factor and there are busts at all positions. QB is the toughest position to draft but do not exclude round one or you may miss out on the next Peyton Manning. Remember Elway, Kelly, Marino, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 yea this is just a stupid post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 I went ahead and made the list. Go ahead and tell me you want to avoid first round QB talent. Crazy. Current Starting 1st Round QBs(56% of all QBs): Peyton Manning Philip Rivers Ben Roethlesburger Aaron Rodgers Eli Manning Donovan McNabb Drew Brees (round 2, pick 1, I know - I'm claiming him) Carson Palmer Joe Flacco Matt Ryan Jay Cutler Matt Stafford Sam Bradford Vince Young Mark Sanchez Jason Campbell Josh Freeman Alex Smith Non-1st Round QBs: Tom Brady Brett Favre Matt Hasselbeck Tony Romo Matt Schaub Kevin Kolb Matt Moore Trent Edwards Chad Henne Jake Delhomme David Garrard Derek Anderson Kyle Orton Matt Cassel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Billy Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 One exception does not disprove the rule as a whole. What about all the examples TO draft a QB in the first? Do you refuse to own a car because of that one time someone's car blew a tire and crashed? What about the thousands of other successful, non-killing-you car rides you've been in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 One exception does not disprove the rule as a whole. What about all the examples TO draft a QB in the first? Do you refuse to own a car because of that one time someone's car blew a tire and crashed? What about the thousands of other successful, non-killing-you car rides you've been in? That's not even quite the right analogy. It's more do you want a car made by Mercedes or Kia? Are you really going to avoid Mercedes because you knew someone that had a Mercedes break down? No you buy the Mercedes because there's always a far greater chance the Kia will be a lemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted August 29, 2010 Author Share Posted August 29, 2010 I went ahead and made the list. Go ahead and tell me you want to avoid first round QB talent. Crazy. Current Starting 1st Round QBs(56% of all QBs): Peyton Manning Philip Rivers Ben Roethlesburger Aaron Rodgers Eli Manning Donovan McNabb Drew Brees (round 2, pick 1, I know - I'm claiming him) Carson Palmer Joe Flacco Matt Ryan Jay Cutler Matt Stafford Sam Bradford Vince Young Mark Sanchez Jason Campbell Josh Freeman Alex Smith Non-1st Round QBs: Tom Brady Brett Favre Matt Hasselbeck Tony Romo Matt Schaub Kevin Kolb Matt Moore Trent Edwards Chad Henne Jake Delhomme David Garrard Derek Anderson Kyle Orton Matt Cassel Great list. Only half of all the starting QB's were first rounders(Brees was not a first rounder). Of those only about half are any good. Furthermore many were not high first round picks either where undoubtedly Buffalo will be choosing. Also some of the 1st round starters aren't playing for the team that drafted them. You have just as good of a chance to find your QB later and at less cost. I think I would take the top 6 non-first rounders over the top 6 first rounders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew in CA Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 You have just as good of a chance to find your QB later and at less cost. You could plug any other position into that sentence and it would be true. There are good players throughout the draft at every position, but it's hard to tell who will succeed in the NFL; that's why they are late round draft picks. Just go with who you think is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Trent 1 Fitz 2 Brohm 3 Brown PS Fitz is what he is, a good back up. Brohm is worth keeping as a development player so is Brown and he will clear waivers IMO What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Great list. Only half of all the starting QB's were first rounders(Brees was not a first rounder). Of those only about half are any good. Furthermore many were not high first round picks either where undoubtedly Buffalo will be choosing. Also some of the 1st round starters aren't playing for the team that drafted them. You have just as good of a chance to find your QB later and at less cost. I think I would take the top 6 non-first rounders over the top 6 first rounders! Your joking, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted August 29, 2010 Author Share Posted August 29, 2010 (edited) I went ahead and made the list. Go ahead and tell me you want to avoid first round QB talent. Crazy. Current Starting 1st Round QBs(56% of all QBs): Peyton Manning Philip Rivers Ben Roethlesburger Aaron Rodgers Waited five years to start Eli Manning Donovan McNabb Different team albeit great with his original team Drew Brees Round 2, pick 1 - the perfect example to help prove my point Carson Palmer Joe Flacco Matt Ryan Jay Cutler Different team Matt Stafford Unproven but promising Sam Bradford Unproven Vince Young Great College QB Mark Sanchez Passer rating below 70![/u] Jason Campbell Different team - not partuclarly good with the first one Josh Freeman Unproven Alex Smith [u]Bust Non-1st Round QBs: Tom Brady Brett Favre Matt Hasselbeck Tony Romo Matt Schaub Kevin Kolb Matt Moore Trent Edwards Chad Henne Jake Delhomme David Garrard Derek Anderson Kyle Orton Matt Cassel Edited August 29, 2010 by sharper802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Sharper - you do realize that you are talking about a numbers game? To make this fair, it would be to compare round 1 vs. only round 2 or any other such round. Otherwise, you have the 3-6 quarterbacks from round one vs. all the other quarterbacks in every other round plus free agents......Of course, you are going to have a Unitas, Montana, etc. in your pile - your pile is huge compared to the round one pile.......And, yet round one is still at 56%. I wonder what the Hall of Fame looks like. Are there more round one QBs or more round 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 It would suck if another AFC East team picked him up for the sole purpose of getting some inside scoop on Buffalo's offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 I went ahead and made the list. Go ahead and tell me you want to avoid first round QB talent. Crazy. Current Starting 1st Round QBs(56% of all QBs): Peyton Manning -HOF, possibly best QB ever Philip Rivers -Stud, will be Superbowl contender for next 5 years Ben Roethlesburger -personal problems aside, HOF resume, 2-time Superbowl champ Aaron Rodgers -is he ready to be the next great QB? Most think so. Eli Manning -Superbowl champ Donovan McNabb -borderline HOF, great career, still going strong Drew Brees (round 2, pick 1, I know - I'm claiming him) -let's not let his draft position get in the way, Superbowl, amazing career Carson Palmer -pro-bowler, injury derailed potential, looks like he'll be back to pre-injury form this year Joe Flacco-TBD, but looks nice Matt Ryan-TBD, looks nice Jay Cutler-TBD, up and down Matt Stafford-TBD, signs point to bright future Sam Bradford -TBD Vince Young -don't want him Mark Sanchez-TBD Jason Campbell-don't want him Josh Freeman-TBD Alex Smith-no thanks Non-1st Round QBs: Tom Brady -HOF, another case for one of the best ever Brett Favre -HOF, holds every record Matt Hasselbeck -couple of pro-bowls, can't stay on field Tony Romo -won in playoffs, looks solid thus far despite all the haters Matt Schaub -never been to playoffs Kevin Kolb -TBD, scenario similar to Aaron Rodgers Matt Moore -next Trent Edwards -skip for sake of debate Chad Henne -TBD Jake Delhomme -flashes of competence, recently horrible David Garrard -next Derek Anderson -next Kyle Orton -actaully decent, but c'mon Matt Cassel -system QB, would you pay 60mil for him This is as objective as I can get. I'm thinking 1st round here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 It would suck if another AFC East team picked him up for the sole purpose of getting some inside scoop on Buffalo's offense. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Great list. Only half of all the starting QB's were first rounders(Brees was not a first rounder). Of those only about half are any good. Furthermore many were not high first round picks either where undoubtedly Buffalo will be choosing. Also some of the 1st round starters aren't playing for the team that drafted them. You have just as good of a chance to find your QB later and at less cost. I think I would take the top 6 non-first rounders over the top 6 first rounders! Clearly you are insane. However, let me just bury you now. There have been 460 playoff games played between 1939 and 2009. This means 920 QBs starts at 2 starters per game. Of those 920 QB starts, 195 were by different quarterbacks. 40% of those 195 QBs were drafted in the first round. Let's break it down further: 677 QBs have been drafted in the NFL. 1st Rnd: 136 have been drafted. 64 of them have started at least 1 playoff game (47%) 15 started at least 10 playoff games (11%) 2nd Rnd-Undrafted: 541 drafted/unsigned. 131 have started at least 1 playoff game (24%) 12 started at least 10 playoff games (2%) All this might be too confusing for you, so let me make it simple: You have roughly a 1 in 2 chance of making at least one playoff game with a QB drafted in the first round. You have roughly a 1 in 4 chance of making at least one playoff game with a QB drafted outside the first round. You have a roughly 1 in 10 chance of making 10 playoff games with a QB drafted in the first round. You have roughly a 1 in 50 chance of making 10 playoff games with a QB drafted/signed otherwise. To suggest taking a QB in the first round is a waste of time...is idiotic. /close thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 I think you don't worry about what freakin round you're drafting the guy. You draft the guy who can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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