BRH Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 this taints his whole carrer. HOF is out of the question now. 142480[/snapback] The only way he was getting into the HOF anyway was if he bought a ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 No, I'm just satisfied none of you has any proof right now. 142479[/snapback] i get it, you agree with us and also think bonds has used roids........no surprise there........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 i get it, you agree with us and also think bonds has used roids........no surprise there........ 142483[/snapback] Even if he started using steroids in 2000 or whenever (and again, there is as yet no proof of that), he was a mortal lock for the Hall of Fame already based on his career to that point. There's not a single other player -- McGwire included -- about whom you can say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Maybe this could lead to the end of baseball. So let's see. There's already no hockey. This would get rid of baseball. All we'd have to do is get rid of the NBA and the sports world would finally be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 He thought it was viagra, only the "pop " wound up in his bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Maybe this could lead to the end of baseball. So let's see. There's already no hockey. This would get rid of baseball. All we'd have to do is get rid of the NBA and the sports world would finally be perfect. 142492[/snapback] Not as long as there's still soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 whats worse?? taking steroids. (cheating in the game) or Gambling on baseball. (even though you dont bet on your teams games) i say if hes on the "juice" he souldnt get in the hall until after he dies just like the "unnamed baseball gambler" 142401[/snapback] The existance of gambling calls into question the legitimacy of the entire leauge. I can live with a guy juicing himself up to give himself an unfair advantage. I can't live with skepticism that the whole leauge is a charade orchestrated by swindlers. Rose's actions were the first step on that path, which is why he needed to be hammered as badly as he was. Shoeless Joe may be a folk hero now, but Landis was 1000% right to ban the Black Sox for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 BRH took denial lessons from BF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Even if he started using steroids in 2000 or whenever (and again, there is as yet no proof of that), he was a mortal lock for the Hall of Fame already based on his career to that point. There's not a single other player -- McGwire included -- about whom you can say that. 142490[/snapback] so again i ask, why did he start using? for the long-term health benefits? he did it to cheat, plain and simple......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 BRH took denial lessons from BF. 142498[/snapback] The difference is I'm not blindly defending people on my favorite team in the face of actual evidence (like, um, videotape). I'm not a Giants fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 so again i ask, why did he start using? for the long-term health benefits? he did it to cheat, plain and simple......... 142501[/snapback] I can imagine 120 million reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 On a side not, I'm headed to the Auction of the Babe Ruth bat this afternoon at Sothebys (one of the perks of being jobless). Hopefully I don't scratch my ear at the wrong time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Why is it that Jason Giambi, Sammy Sosa and Jeff Bagwell are all smaller (and less effective, and more injury-prone) than they used to be, while Bonds has neither shrunk, gotten hurt, nor lost effectiveness? Is Bonds THAT sanguine about not getting caught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millbank Posted December 2, 2004 Author Share Posted December 2, 2004 Its sad so many players who have attained their positions by hard work , pactice and good coaching will be under suspicion and tainted by this. I think it wrong to isolate baseball as the only sport with a problem here. Its long time rather than find scape goats and villians that we as a culture look at the inordinate import we place on sport and how this effects us as a people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Jason Giambi said at the start of the season he had lost a total of 4 pounds. I knew then he was a liar. Jason Giambi is suffering from depression. It's not easy going off roids ,mentally or physically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Why is it that Jason Giambi, Sammy Sosa and Jeff Bagwell are all smaller (and less effective, and more injury-prone) than they used to be, while Bonds has neither shrunk, gotten hurt, nor lost effectiveness? Is Bonds THAT sanguine about not getting caught? 142520[/snapback] care to comment today??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 care to comment today??? 144923[/snapback] Bonds hat size grew 3 sizes and he put on 35 pounds of lean muscle mass at the age of 37. Impossible without megadoses of steroids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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