Coach55 Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 For those of you with pipe dreams that Levi Brown is going to come out of the woodwork and become a franchise QB, take a look at the list below. It is most of the starters since 1980 that came out in round 4 or later (I left off some lesser knowns, who started 1-2 games). Not to say that it can't be done, but most of the guys are fringe starters and journeymen backups, with the exception of a few (i.e. Brady in 2000) 1981 8 210 Wade Wilson 1985 11 285 Doug Flutie 1986 6 146 Mark Rypien 1987 4 98 Rich Gannon 1987 4 110 Steve Beuerlein 1989 6 141 Rodney Peete 1992 6 166 Jeff Blake 1993 5 118 Mark Brunell 1993 8 219 Elvis Grbac 1993 8 222 Trent Green 1994 7 197 Gus Frerotte 1995 4 99 Rob Johnson 1998 6 187 Matt Hasselbeck 1999 4 131 Aaron Brooks 2000 6 168 Marc Bulger 2000 6 199 Tom Brady 2000 7 212 Tim Rattay 2002 4 108 David Garrard 2005 4 106 Kyle Orton 2005 6 213 Derek Anderson 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel 2005 7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 2007 7 217 Tyler Thigpen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny3000 Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 You forgot Tony Romo who I believe was undrafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrocles Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 1986 6 146 Mark Rypien Grr, *seeth* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep2Moulds46 Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 1986 6 146 Mark Rypien Grr, *seeth* Romo, Warner and Matt Moore were all undrafted. I believe Jake Delhomme was undrafted. But you're right. any Bills banking on Levi Brown being the future of the franchise is fooling themselves. As a 7th round pick, it will be a plus if he makes the roster ( which I think he will) and if he ever develops into a solid number 2, then you would have to call that a fantastic pick. If you get a starting franchise QB out of it, then you're looking at one of the best draft picks of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Rich Gannon and Tom Brady were pretty decent. Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme had some ok seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Obviously this team could use a franchise QB right about now, but I think just about anyone would settle for a serviceable one instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 For those of you with pipe dreams that Levi Brown is going to come out of the woodwork and become a franchise QB, take a look at the list below. It is most of the starters since 1980 that came out in round 4 or later (I left off some lesser knowns, who started 1-2 games). Not to say that it can't be done, but most of the guys are fringe starters and journeymen backups, with the exception of a few (i.e. Brady in 2000) 1981 8 210 Wade Wilson 1985 11 285 Doug Flutie 1986 6 146 Mark Rypien 1987 4 98 Rich Gannon 1987 4 110 Steve Beuerlein 1989 6 141 Rodney Peete 1992 6 166 Jeff Blake 1993 5 118 Mark Brunell 1993 8 219 Elvis Grbac 1993 8 222 Trent Green 1994 7 197 Gus Frerotte 1995 4 99 Rob Johnson 1998 6 187 Matt Hasselbeck 1999 4 131 Aaron Brooks 2000 6 168 Marc Bulger 2000 6 199 Tom Brady 2000 7 212 Tim Rattay 2002 4 108 David Garrard 2005 4 106 Kyle Orton 2005 6 213 Derek Anderson 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel 2005 7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 2007 7 217 Tyler Thigpen It's a bit of a stretch to think that Levi will become a Jim Kelly or even a Joe Ferguson. I do not think it's a stretch that he could become the next Frank Reich. I would be Ok with that for a round 7 pick. He is a long shot to become a franchise QB but according to your stats it would not be the first time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 24, 2010 Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 Rich Gannon and Tom Brady were pretty decent. Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme had some ok seasons. Rich Gannon was pretty decent yet Kurt Warner just had some ok seasons? Warner has won the Superbowl and has been league MVP, Rich Gannon was a fringe starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Guess that's why you bank on your FO to judge talent. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 If Bad Bada Mama Jama Levi Brown could start and then we can sign Chris Fu'amatu'ma'afala. Man Berman could have some fun with that. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 For those of you with pipe dreams that Levi Brown is going to come out of the woodwork and become a franchise QB, take a look at the list below. It is most of the starters since 1980 that came out in round 4 or later (I left off some lesser knowns, who started 1-2 games). Not to say that it can't be done, but most of the guys are fringe starters and journeymen backups, with the exception of a few (i.e. Brady in 2000) 1981 8 210 Wade Wilson 1985 11 285 Doug Flutie 1986 6 146 Mark Rypien 1987 4 98 Rich Gannon 1987 4 110 Steve Beuerlein 1989 6 141 Rodney Peete 1992 6 166 Jeff Blake 1993 5 118 Mark Brunell 1993 8 219 Elvis Grbac 1993 8 222 Trent Green 1994 7 197 Gus Frerotte 1995 4 99 Rob Johnson 1998 6 187 Matt Hasselbeck 1999 4 131 Aaron Brooks 2000 6 168 Marc Bulger 2000 6 199 Tom Brady 2000 7 212 Tim Rattay 2002 4 108 David Garrard 2005 4 106 Kyle Orton 2005 6 213 Derek Anderson 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel 2005 7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 2007 7 217 Tyler Thigpen Lots of teams don't have a "franchise" QB, but have/had good, serviceable quarterbacks. Brunell and Green certainly were quite successful. Frerotte, Blake, Grbac, had good seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Rich Gannon was pretty decent yet Kurt Warner just had some ok seasons? Warner has won the Superbowl and has been league MVP, Rich Gannon was a fringe starter. If you're going to feign to be wise ass, know your stuff. Rich Gannon was NFL MVP in 2002 and played in Super Bowl 37. I was underselling all four names, two of which you didn't even put on your list. Your point is meaningless. What makes a successful QB isn't where he is drafted (or undrafted in some cases). More great players are drafted earlier in the draft, (wow! shocking!) but great players come in many different ways and being drafted early is well-documented as never being a guarantee to success. Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell being prime examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grelit Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Warren Moon and Jeff Garcia were undrafted. Going way back in the day Roger Staubach was drafted in the 10th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Rich Gannon was pretty decent yet Kurt Warner just had some ok seasons? Warner has won the Superbowl and has been league MVP, Rich Gannon was a fringe starter. uuummmmmm, I believe it is called sarcasm. Do we all have to take everyone so seriously? Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 If you're going to feign to be wise ass, know your stuff. Rich Gannon was NFL MVP in 2002 and played in Super Bowl 37. I was underselling all four names, two of which you didn't even put on your list. Your point is meaningless. What makes a successful QB isn't where he is drafted (or undrafted in some cases). More great players are drafted earlier in the draft, (wow! shocking!) but great players come in many different ways and being drafted early is well-documented as never being a guarantee to success. Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell being prime examples. +1 DING DING DING!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Warren Moon and Jeff Garcia were undrafted. Going way back in the day Roger Staubach was drafted in the 10th round. Staubach was a Naval Academy student, and IIRC he had to serve some time (4 yrs I think) in the service after graduation before he could play in the NFL. No doubt that was what brought him down so low in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 24, 2010 Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 If you're going to feign to be wise ass, know your stuff. Rich Gannon was NFL MVP in 2002 and played in Super Bowl 37. I was underselling all four names, two of which you didn't even put on your list. Your point is meaningless. What makes a successful QB isn't where he is drafted (or undrafted in some cases). More great players are drafted earlier in the draft, (wow! shocking!) but great players come in many different ways and being drafted early is well-documented as never being a guarantee to success. Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell being prime examples. You got me there. As for the missing people, I didn't have any UFA's on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grelit Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Staubach was a Naval Academy student, and IIRC he had to serve some time (4 yrs I think) in the service after graduation before he could play in the NFL. No doubt that was what brought him down so low in the draft. Absolutely...he was a class act...and a steal in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 You fail to note the success rate of 1st and 2nd round picks at QB. While slightly better it's hardly considered a lock. The bottom line is that any QB you draft has about a 50-50 chance of succeeding in the NFL. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 You fail to note the success rate of 1st and 2nd round picks at QB. While slightly better it's hardly considered a lock. The bottom line is that any QB you draft has about a 50-50 chance of succeeding in the NFL. PTR You could probably extend that to pretty much any position too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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