RkFast Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Please point out the Separation Clause, if by that you refer to "separation of church and state". I seem to have a problem finding it in the US Constitution. ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE, excuse me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nero47 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE, excuse me. Are you referring to the 1st Amendment, which allows for freedom of religion. For that amendment makes it clear that the Government shall not impose a state mandated religion on its citizens. Many of our laws were in fact drawn from religious laws and background, some good and some bad. Bringing one's belief in God's will determining your decision as to running for public office or not, is not a new concept. It does in fact go back to the founding fathers. In addition to the fact that the Declaration of Independence uses the concept of rights endowed by a creator ( even though the Declaration is not a part of the Constiution). To the point of hypocrisy, Gingrich or anyone else, we are all hypocrites simply because we are not perfect or infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 For that amendment makes it clear that the Government shall not impose a state mandated religion on its citizens. Many of our laws were in fact drawn from religious laws and background, some good and some bad. WHICH IS EXACTLY MY POINT. Fanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Ever been in a foxhole fighting for your life? That's what I thought... I'm a man of my convictions and there's no way I'm gonna spend my last moments as a hypocrite, no matter what you might think. The effect of prayer is something that can and has actually been studied scientifically and guess what...it's not effective in the least. Of course then you might say that the power of prayer can't be measured scientifically and then I might tell you you're only fooling yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I'm a man of my convictions and there's no way I'm gonna spend my last moments as a hypocrite, no matter what you might think. The effect of prayer is something that can and has actually been studied scientifically and guess what...it's not effective in the least. Of course then you might say that the power of prayer can't be measured scientifically and then I might tell you you're only fooling yourself. Oh, do tell...how can "the power of prayer" be "measured scientifically?" Or is this another "Frenkle Absolute" like "all Christians want to see homos killed."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Ever been in a foxhole fighting for your life? That's what I thought... http://www.ffrf.org/outreach/atheists-in-foxholes/ http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?he...54-ce78c620ef1b I can provide more examples if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I find it ironic that one of the tenets of atheism, their objection to what they claim is the "perseusions and exclusionionary practices of the faithful", are broken by them on a daily. It seems atheists cannot get by for a second without taking guttersnipes at the Faithful whenever they can. Nor can they just live and let live. Its always "nevermind that the vast majoprity of the people where I live are beleivers....that cross offends ME....SO REMOVE IT NOW!!!" You would think that a group of people who object to a practice wouldnt partake in it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Oh, do tell...how can "the power of prayer" be "measured scientifically?" Or is this another "Frenkle Absolute" like "all Christians want to see homos killed."? I find it ironic that one of the tenets of atheism, their objection to what they claim is the "perseusions and exclusionionary practices of the faithful", are broken by them on a daily. It seems atheists cannot get by for a second without taking guttersnipes at the Faithful whenever they can. Nor can they just live and let live. Its always "nevermind that the vast majoprity of the people where I live are beleivers....that cross offends ME....SO REMOVE IT NOW!!!" You would think that a group of people who object to a practice wouldnt partake in it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 HUGE chasm between "it seems" and "it is true", my boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Hey, I'm just pointing out what a "Judeo/Christian ethic" tends to look like in practice. HUGE chasm between "it seems" and "it is true", my boy. There's also a big chasm between "tends to" and "absolutely." I'm not defending what he said, just pointing out that generalizations are made by both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I'm not defending what he said, just pointing out that generalizations are made by both sides. Generally speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Generally speaking. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Oh, do tell...how can "the power of prayer" be "measured scientifically?" Or is this another "Frenkle Absolute" like "all Christians want to see homos killed."? There have been (at least) several double-blinded studies regarding this. I can find some links if Google is not working on your computer. Are you sure I'm the one dealing in absolutes??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Generally speaking. Generally speaking, most or my generalizations generally tend to generally be tongue-in-cheek, generally speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Generally speaking, most or my generalizations generally tend to generally be tongue-in-cheek, generally speaking. I would definitely have to file this under as a Big Catism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I would definitely have to file this under as a Big Catism. "Big Catechism" is catchier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Ever been in a foxhole fighting for your life? That's what I thought... I have, and my atheism never wavered for a second. * This should in no way be construed as a defense of either Gene Frenkle or his odious views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 I have, and my atheism never wavered for a second. * This should in no way be construed as a defense of either Gene Frenkle or his odious views. I'm ashamed to say I had to look up 'odious', but in doing so I think I've finally found a word which personifies what I'm all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 I'm ashamed to say I had to look up 'odious', but in doing so I think I've finally found a word which personifies what I'm all about. You had to look that word up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 You had to look that word up? Well obviously I got the meaning from the context, but as to the exact definition, yes. I have no inferiority complex with regard to my vocabulary, I realize that don't I know everything and I'm never afraid to admit what I don't know. But that's just me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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