DC Tom Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: You don't think they were praying in that moment? Prayer doesn't preclude belief in science. I believe in science, and I'm praying right now that you'll go away.
WisconsinBillzFan Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 DC Tom said: Prayer doesn't preclude belief in science. I believe in science, and I'm praying right now that you'll go away. Evolution isn't science. It's junk science. It's propaganda.
Magox Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: Evolution isn't science. It's junk science. It's propaganda. Just wonderin, how old do you think the earth is? Ballpark
John Adams Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Magox said: Just wonderin, how old do you think the earth is? Ballpark I can't imagine why you'd probe the depths of his beliefs. Bored today?
DC Tom Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: Evolution isn't science. It's junk science. It's propaganda. Irrelevent to your point. You implied that someone can't accept evolution AND pray to God. That's not true.
WisconsinBillzFan Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Magox said: Just wonderin, how old do you think the earth is? Ballpark And you guys will just flame me for it.
WisconsinBillzFan Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 DC Tom said: Irrelevent to your point. You implied that someone can't accept evolution AND pray to God. That's not true. They can pray to god but it would be meaningless and insincere.
Magox Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: And you guys will just flame me for it. If you believe in your convictions then why would you care what any one else thinks? 5000 20,000 million billion?
Magox Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 John Adams said: I can't imagine why you'd probe the depths of his beliefs. Bored today? Oh sweet baby Jesus, no you didn't.
DC Tom Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: They can pray to god but it would be meaningless and insincere. Why? I mean, I assume you're talking about the Christian concept of salvation through acceptance of Jesus. But last I checked, that concept didn't require acceptance of Jesus and rejection of scientific inquiry.
WisconsinBillzFan Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 DC Tom said: Why? I mean, I assume you're talking about the Christian concept of salvation through acceptance of Jesus. But last I checked, that concept didn't require acceptance of Jesus and rejection of scientific inquiry. How can you pray to your creator without believing he created you? It would be an empty gesture.
DrFishfinder Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: Evolution isn't science. It's junk science. It's propaganda. "Slack-jawed, stunned look"......... You think that everything is the way it always was. Nothing evolves. Not animals, plants, organisms, viruses......nothing.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: How can you pray to your creator without believing he created you? It would be an empty gesture. Do you think maybe God could have created evolution, and thus created man? Why did he have to create us in our current form?
WisconsinBillzFan Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 SageAgainstTheMachine said: Do you think maybe God could have created evolution, and thus created man? Why did he have to create us in our current form? Why would god do that? Then you'd have to believe that god is imperfect when it's pretty clear god knew what he wanted to create right from the start.
KD in CA Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 OCinBuffalo said: Is it immoral that the dinosaurs don't exist anymore? Of course it is. If they had liberal nutjobs back then, dinosaurs would have been on the 'endangered species' list, because absolutely nothing happens naturally on this planet. It's all a direct result of human existence.
Magox Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: Why would god do that? Then you'd have to believe that god is imperfect when it's pretty clear god knew what he wanted to create right from the start. Are you really asking why god would do something?
DC Tom Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: Why would god do that? Then you'd have to believe that god is imperfect when it's pretty clear god knew what he wanted to create right from the start. Why wouldn't God do that? How is God's intent clear from the start?
The Big Cat Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: Why would god do that? Then you'd have to believe that god is imperfect when it's pretty clear god knew what he wanted to create right from the start. Haven't we already established (in this thread) that there are a thousand pieces of evidence to suggest that "god" is imperfect? Even if "it" was perfect, why does "it" have to be perfect within the constraints of the human interpretation of "perfection." You'll probably readily admit that you can't grasp the vast complexities of "god," so who the !@#$ are you to define what makes "it" "perfect" and what makes "it" "imperfect?" I don't use "it" to insult you, I just refuse to assign "god" a gender. Assuming god even exists, I doubt it has a either a penis, or a vagina.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 WisconsinBillzFan said: Why would god do that? Then you'd have to believe that god is imperfect when it's pretty clear god knew what he wanted to create right from the start. Ah, so not only do you know that there is a god...you know his will! It must be nice for God to have a right-hand man like you. But just for ***** and giggles, let's follow your logic. - God is perfect - God, being perfect, would want to create perfect things - Human beings are God's perfect creation - Evolution is unnecessary, and thus imperfect - Therefore, the imperfect process of evolution could not have created humans Let's think of some other imperfect things...how about war? Tay Sachs Disease? Black people? Didn't God create those things? Does that mean he's imperfect? (I included the last one so I could relate to you a little better).
DC Tom Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 The Big Cat said: Haven't we already established (in this thread) that there are a thousand pieces of evidence to suggest that "god" is imperfect? Even if "it" was perfect, why does "it" have to be perfect within the constraints of the human interpretation of "perfection." You'll probably readily admit that you can't grasp the vast complexities of "god," so who the !@#$ are you to define what makes "it" "perfect" and what makes "it" "imperfect?" I don't use "it" to insult you, I just refuse to assign "god" a gender. Assuming god even exists, I doubt it has a either a penis, or a vagina. "Him" is the accepted gender-neutral pronoun. And God can have whatever genitalia he wants. He can be a three-dicked martian if He so chooses. He's freakin' God.
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