just fix the o-line..

[zer0vette]

I totally agree with you. One just has to look at the last Colts-Jets game to see it is the QB that makes the greatest difference.

 

Manning isn't human... That example doesn't count.

[Flbillsfan#1]

And Defense too my friend. If we can't get the other teams off the field because they are steadily ramming the ball down our throat the offense still won't have enough time to accomplish much.

A good offense, with a GOOD QB can help keep that teams defense off the field, keeping them fresh & able to play better.

[Thurman#1]

Cleveland has a very good OL

So does Miami....1st rounders and all pros on those lines.

 

A great QB trumps all that is why those 10 teams are in the play-offs. The only thing you had to see was the Indy Jets game this week when they took Manning out...same OL and what happened? They looked worse than the Bills' offense.

Don't get me wrong, a good OL is very helpful but the Bills problem is that even when their QBs have time to throw they miss and throw poorly. There is a huge discrepancy between QBs in this league. There is not as big a discrepancy between OL...that is why the Colts and Pats can take guys and plug them in and not miss a beat. The Colts have starters on their line who played in the Arena League.

For years I have heard that the Bills QBs were not playing well b/c of the OL...Todd Collins, RJ, JP, Bledsoe, Trent Edwards. NONE of those QBs left Buffalo and went anywhere and played well. They were still bad. Romo had success behind the same OL Bledsoe played behind. Maybe it is b/c our QBs have been bad.

I am all for getting great OL but it will not matter at all if we are throwing the likes of Trent and RF in as QBs.

 

 

Maybe because they had been ruined because of their bad OLs.

 

The thing that nobody wants to see is that this is all a system and any truly bad components in the OL/QB system guarantee you'll never reach the second round and make all the other guys look worse. You can go fairly far if evreyone is at least mediocre, as you see in Green Bay.

[Flbillsfan#1]

Manning isn't human... That example doesn't count.

OK, then look at the Falcons with Ryan & without him at QB.

[zer0vette]

OK, then look at the Falcons with Ryan & without him at QB.

 

Redman didn't do to bad IMO, kept pace with the saints. Also, another variable is that backups just don't get the reps that starters do. Brady didn't come in and tear it up immediately, Romo didn't either, it took a little while.

[H2o]

the defense is a great pass rusher away from being a top 15 defense. the defense is not the problem

 

ITS THE OFFENSE!!!!!!!!! DRAFT OFFENSE. its a passing league, u have to score points in this league.

And that's going to stop the opposing teams from putting up 200+ yards on the ground against us how?

[Bring Back Kelly]

A good offense, with a GOOD QB can help keep that teams defense off the field, keeping them fresh & able to play better.

Not one of those QB's on that list could bring THIS team to the playoffs. Our O-Line sucks. Get a line!

[Flbillsfan#1]

Redman didn't do to bad IMO, kept pace with the saints. Also, another variable is that backups just don't get the reps that starters do. Brady didn't come in and tear it up immediately, Romo didn't either, it took a little while.

The last Falcon game, they showed the stats with Ryan & without him & if he had played all year the Falcons would have made the playoffs. That is a BIG difference in QB play. You can also look at the Cardinals. With the same team, just changing from Leinert to Warner, the Cards go from a so-so team to a Super Bowl contender. Tampa Bay will be much better next year because Freeman got experience this year.

[R. Rich]

And that's going to stop the opposing teams from putting up 200+ yards on the ground against us how?

 

 

By throwing for 475 yards and 5 TDs per game while constantly on the run, of course. Duh.

[gobillsinytown]

At least a decent line first. Other than the Rams, the Bills have the worst line in the league, after all the injuries. If the line were healthy they would be at least a little better. But as of right now, no QB in the league could elevate the offensive play to any significant degree. And guys like Rothlesberger, who will take hits to try to make a play, would be on IR after a few games.

[Brandon]

And that's going to stop the opposing teams from putting up 200+ yards on the ground against us how?

 

Well, it might help keep the Bills' defense off the field. As it stands, there have been more plays against their defense than any other in the league this year. Their defense has its share of issues, especially against the run, but the fact that the offense can't stay on the field and they have run the fewest number of offensive plays in the league is a major contributing factor to their problems.

[Billsguy]

a solid o-line would go such a long way on both sides of the ball. That's all i want to see. There are quite a few teams going to the playoffs this year who do not have stellar QBs. Just give a guy some time to throw, a few extra seconds on those 3rd down conversions, and the difference would be amazing.... Tired opposing defenses, sustained drives that eat clock, offensive POINTS. Fix the o-line please!!!!

 

The offensive line is currently Buffalo's weakest area of many weak areas.

Clearly, this would be my top priority and hopefully the Bills will address it immediately.

 

The running game and passing game would improve immediately with an improved offensive line and it would help the worn out defense as well.

 

Manning, Brady,and Brees are all excellent QB's playing behind very good lines. As a result, they have been sacked a combined 45 times all season. The defending Super Bowl champs are struggling with Ben Roethlisberger this year. Big Ben has been sacked 47 times alone. The Steelers have good receivers, good RB's and a very good QB, but they haven't been able to overcome a weaker offensive line this year.

[Sisyphean Bills]

The argument that all the Bills need is a Peyton Manning holds no water as well. Peyton Manning is arguably the best QB to ever play the game, most would have him in the top 2 or 3 at minimum. Despite the Super Bowl rings, MVPs, and supermodels, I don't put even Tom Brady in the same rarefied air as Peyton. A rebuilding plan that involves and necessitates the Bills finding and developing the next greatest QB of all time is a plan doomed to stark, unequivocal failure. Manning is a living legend, a once in a lifetime caliber player that transcends the game. Any sort of argument that uses him as the baseline is nothing short of absurd.

 

Obviously, a team can't win consistently in the NFL with terrible QB play. We're Bills fans; we know this first hand.

 

But, it is possible to win with a solid running game, solid defense, and steady error-free QB play. Last year, the Ravens, Falcons, and Dolphins all turned it around in 1 season using this formula. The Titans had the best record in the NFL last year behind an incredible running game and nearly made the most improbable comeback in NFL history this year. The Jaguars are a couple seasons removed now from the two headed attack of Fred and Maurice that led them to the playoffs. The Chargers have evolved away from a running team and into a passing team only recently, like the Steelers, Cowboys, and Giants. Lost in the Saints success this year is the fact that they were a dominant running team as well. We have Super Bowl teams with QBs like Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer, etc.

 

Here is exhibit A for the "all" you need is a QB believers.

 

Do the Bills need to upgrade the QB position? Absolutely. They have to have a QB that is smart enough to read defenses and exploit what is out there. They have to at least try to keep the defense honest.

[DELLAPELLE JOHN]

Look we can have a compromise here. i say draft sam bradford in rd 1 and then take trent williams and ryan young, 2 young powerful tackles in rds 2 and 3

[PushthePile]

Not one of those QB's on that list could bring THIS team to the playoffs. Our O-Line sucks. Get a line!

False.

1.loss to NE by 1

2.loss to Cleveland by 3

3.loss to Jets by 3

4.loss to Carolina by 11

5.loss to Jacksonville by 3

6.loss to Jets by 6

7.loss to NE by 7

 

A good QB wins us at least 4 of those games and puts the Bills at 9-6 going into the final week.

[DELLAPELLE JOHN]

qb with our first pick, oline with our next 2 picks..... see how simple that was..........................

[Sisyphean Bills]

False.

1.loss to NE by 1

2.loss to Cleveland by 3

3.loss to Jets by 3

4.loss to Carolina by 11

5.loss to Jacksonville by 3

6.loss to Jets by 6

7.loss to NE by 7

 

A good QB wins us at least 4 of those games and puts the Bills at 9-6 going into the final week.

But some of those losses were contributed to by special teams gaffes and 4th quarter meltdowns by the defense. Not to mention that it is hard to imagine "great QB play" when the QB is playing in a remedial offensive system with no creativity, running for his life, and has questionable playmakers around him. Just having a QB that can hit T.O. in his stone hands producing more drops helps how exactly?

[dogbyte]

Cutler last year led the Broncos to the biggest collapse in NFL history. They blew a 3 game lead with 4 games to go. They even lost to the Bills when Cutler tried to force the ball into the end zone which Mitchell intercepted!

[PushthePile]

But some of those losses were contributed to by special teams gaffes and 4th quarter meltdowns by the defense. Not to mention that it is hard to imagine "great QB play" when the QB is playing in a remedial offensive system with no creativity, running for his life, and has questionable playmakers around him. Just having a QB that can hit T.O. in his stone hands producing more drops helps how exactly?

Hitting TO in his stonehands, has worked everywhere else. The guy is one of the best all-time recievers, that has the dropsies sometimes. His lack of production this season was because we couldn't get him the ball. What about Evans? He should qualify as a decent weapon.

 

The team definately doesn't have questionable playmakers. An above average QB would have put the ball in these playmakers hands alot more effectively than TE and Fitz. First off, TE is petrified to even look downfield and Fitz couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

 

Manning, Brady, Mcnabb, Brees, Rivers, Warner, Rothlisburger, Rodgers, and a couple others would be at least a TD better in most games this year. I'm not saying they would have put up the same numbers as they do now but they would be miles ahead of what we had.

[Flbillsfan#1]

The argument that all the Bills need is a Peyton Manning holds no water as well. Peyton Manning is arguably the best QB to ever play the game, most would have him in the top 2 or 3 at minimum. Despite the Super Bowl rings, MVPs, and supermodels, I don't put even Tom Brady in the same rarefied air as Peyton. A rebuilding plan that involves and necessitates the Bills finding and developing the next greatest QB of all time is a plan doomed to stark, unequivocal failure. Manning is a living legend, a once in a lifetime caliber player that transcends the game. Any sort of argument that uses him as the baseline is nothing short of absurd.

 

Obviously, a team can't win consistently in the NFL with terrible QB play. We're Bills fans; we know this first hand.

 

But, it is possible to win with a solid running game, solid defense, and steady error-free QB play. Last year, the Ravens, Falcons, and Dolphins all turned it around in 1 season using this formula. The Titans had the best record in the NFL last year behind an incredible running game and nearly made the most improbable comeback in NFL history this year. The Jaguars are a couple seasons removed now from the two headed attack of Fred and Maurice that led them to the playoffs. The Chargers have evolved away from a running team and into a passing team only recently, like the Steelers, Cowboys, and Giants. Lost in the Saints success this year is the fact that they were a dominant running team as well. We have Super Bowl teams with QBs like Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer, etc.

 

Here is exhibit A for the "all" you need is a QB believers.

 

Do the Bills need to upgrade the QB position? Absolutely. They have to have a QB that is smart enough to read defenses and exploit what is out there. They have to at least try to keep the defense honest.

I don't think anyone is saying QB is "all" the Bills need. It is the position MOST in need however. The Bills have;

 

1) An INJURY PRONE QB that refuses to throw the ball to his WR's & is going to be in the last year of his contract.

 

2) A QB that has very little accuracy & is a decent #2 at best.

 

3) A QB brought off another teams practice team, that MAY be a viable starter at some point or may not.

 

My hope would be the new front office & HC bring in a Vet QB & draft a QB (where depends on what they really think of Brahm). Get a couple OT's, LB's, DT's & DE's in the draft & free agency