Bills!Win! Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 We have seen Losman, Bledsoe, Collins, Johnson and Flutie leave this team in the past decade. I felt all of these QBs had seen their course with the team and we had seen enough. In summary we knew what they were capable of and it was time to move on. I dont feel the same about Edwards. He is better than his production and has been dragged down because of the support system around him. If he leaves the Bills next year there is very little doubt that he will flourish elsewhere. I dont think he is a Pro Bowler but he is better than 1/2 of the QBs in this league. There are many playoff teams that are making it happen with less talented QB's than Edwards. Today's game frames the situation. He sits for four weeks behind a journeyman at best....and gets sacked twice because of a turnstile O-line. If this front office had done NOTHING with last years o-line Edwards would have had a chance to springboard this year. Edwards deserves far better than this BS. Current list of Quarterbacks potentially making the playoffs this year. Manning Rivers Palmer Brady Flacco Orton Brees Favre McNabb Warner Rodgers Romo How can you even say that any one of these guys are less talented than Edwards? Maybe Orton.. but notice that they are all superstars? hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pozitive51 Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 Whether Trent, JP or Fitz sucks or not is disputable... whether our OL sucks or not is not disputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Current list of Quarterbacks potentially making the playoffs this year. Manning Rivers Palmer Brady Flacco Orton Brees Favre McNabb Warner Rodgers Romo How can you even say that any one of these guys are less talented than Edwards? Maybe Orton.. but notice that they are all superstars? hmmmm I made the same observation a few pages back. I even asked for Pozitive51 to name a few. Nary a peep. He/she also says in that Trent is "better than 1/2 of the QBs in this league" All of the above on your list are better. If I can name 4 more I'll blow that out of the water too. I'll try. Big Ben Matt Ryan Matt Hasselback Eli Manning And a few more for good measure: Michael Vick David Gerrard Matt Shaub Vince Young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 For every one of you folks that doesn't think the O-line matters very much in the NFL there's a thousand folks that think differently and its just the same old folks here on TSW, same old story over and over again bashing TE, but you are a minority regardless if you like it or not.(talking about the O-line, not TE) Losing faith in TE I can understand, but throwing all logic out the window because you hate a Bills player so much, that I cannot understand. I'm sorry dog but this statement is just so tired. Like anybody really thinks that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I'm sorry dog but this statement is just so tired. Like anybody really thinks that. So what is it you think the bandit is hell bent on convincing me of then, good grief. You guys trying to evaluate our QB behind our pathetic excuse for an O-line also gets tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 So what is it you think the bandit is hell bent on convincing me of then, good grief. I'm not going to explain it too you, it's plain as day and even spelled out with fact. You are certainly smart enough to figure it out but choose to ignore the truth. Call it blind loyality to your guy, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 So what is it you think the bandit is hell bent on convincing me of then, good grief. You guys trying to evaluate our QB behind our pathetic excuse for an O-line also gets tiresome. He lost his job to Ryan Fitzpatrick who has played with the same horrid line. Ryan Fitzpatrick is terrible and was terrible in Cinncy. They are equivalent in terrible play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I have got to say I really do not understand the argument that Trent (or Fitz) would be some kind of wunderkind if he had another second or two to throw. Watch other football games, count how many seconds it takes for the D Line to get to the QB. Being behind center for the Bills means you need to get the ball out .5-1 second faster than maybe half of the teams out there. Pitt and GB, in particular, are much worse off than the Bills. Smart capable QBs work through it. It honestly boggles my mind how anyone can assign no responsibility to piss poor QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I have got to say I really do not understand the argument that Trent (or Fitz) would be some kind of wunderkind if he had another second or two to throw. Watch other football games, count how many seconds it takes for the D Line to get to the QB. Being behind center for the Bills means you need to get the ball out .5-1 second faster than maybe half of the teams out there. Pitt and GB, in particular, are much worse off than the Bills. Smart capable QBs work through it. It honestly boggles my mind how anyone can assign no responsibility to piss poor QB play. It boggles my mind how folks refuse to think bad O-line play doesn't have something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 It boggles my mind how folks refuse to think bad O-line play doesn't have something to do with it. Change the record man, you are just saying the same thing over and over with nothing to back it up. people are throwing stats and logic at you from all directions. O line is just part of it, but the QBs are not NFL quality players. Excusing their play as a symptom of the O line is disregarding all kinds of information out there from other teams that have the same problem. You think these chumps would have winning records with the Broncos, Steelers, or Packers? No, of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 It boggles my mind how folks refuse to think bad O-line play doesn't have something to do with it. Ryan freaking Fitzpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I'm not going to explain it too you, it's plain as day and even spelled out with fact. You are certainly smart enough to figure it out but choose to ignore the truth. Call it blind loyality to your guy, I guess. I'm smart enough to figure out your feeding me a line of BS, so save it buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I'm smart enough to figure out your feeding me a line of BS, so save it buddy. Save what? My opinion is just as valid as yours and twice as valid in regards to TE. ...........Ryan Fitzpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Ryan freaking Fitzpatrick yeah, right? He gets sacked less, wins more and and throws for more yards. Even though he is terrible, he understands he has to work with the line and make different decisions. A really solid QB would be annoyed by such a porous line, but would still find a way to win. Again, lots of examples out there to defend that thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 yeah, right? He gets sacked less, wins more and and throws for more yards. Even though he is terrible, he understands he has to work with the line and make different decisions. A really solid QB would be annoyed by such a porous line, but would still find a way to win. Again, lots of examples out there to defend that thought. Fitzpatrick is god awful but the players and coaching staff prefer him over Edwards. That says an awful lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 lol @ this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Save what? My opinion is just as valid as yours and twice as valid in regards to TE. ...........Ryan Fitzpatrick Its nice to hear you have such a high opinion of yourself Push. So my opinion is less valid because I think the O-line plays a big part in a QB success, is this what your telling me. Glad you got it all figured our Einstien. better yet, shove it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Its nice to hear you have such a high opinion of yourself Push. So my opinion is less valid because I think the O-line plays a big part in a QB success, is this what your telling me. Glad you got it all figured our Einstien. better yet, shove it... Ryan Fitzpatrick is the starter! Possibly Brian Brohm next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Ryan Fitzpatrick is the starter! Possibly Brian Brohm next week! and Trent Edwards will be the starter next season :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 It boggles my mind how folks refuse to think bad O-line play doesn't have something to do with it. Do you really think that the Bills coaches don't know that Trent was playing behind a line that wasn't very good? A coach doesn't bench his starting QB because he is doing well and others are !@#$ing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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