Niagara Bill
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6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
But I thought white silence was violence. How am I supposed to listen if I'm being forced to speak? And why am I being forced to speak if my thoughts are useless?
Of course not. Listening is not silence. Ignoring is silence. At this point your opinion on the meatloaf is not important. The US and Canada have a social family problem. Listening will help you learn. Silence through ignoring gets you same old.
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On 6/10/2020 at 9:09 AM, LB3 said:
I've noticed most of the new guys coming in lately disable their recent visitors section. Odd thing for new guys to do.
So some want to say things on their minds in a different format and strength. Maybe Greg is an Agent like Rhino, maybe he is SDS, or Yolo in disguise. Strangely he has increased the quality of discussion to relevant issues as opposed to the underground politics, illuminati, communists, ccp, socialism, religious babble nonsense that enters each thread for those who want a a Trump reelection or Dem success at any cost.
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40 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
Actually, if you are trying to truly help a family member in real psychological pain, you can only do it through discussion of the root causes of that pain in therapeutic alliances with all affected family members, where the feelings are explored with empathy, honesty, positive validations, and without blame. Healing doesn't occur by dismissing the feelings and thoughts of all other family members, nor does it occur when the process begins with the premise that the family member in pain is disliked by all other family members to the degree that they would do anything to keep him/her in pain.
You move way to fast. No one even suggested psychological pain. The world has not even listen enough to determine that. Healing must start by the validation of those that are in pain first. I never suggested ignoring the pain of the rest of the family, but dealing with that initially leads to breakdown of the process and back to the same old and tired debate. You sometimes have to tell your wife you love her and understand and then listen with love and real attention for days before you discuss the bad meatloaf. That is if you really want the relationship to survive. A question at this point is more important that a position.
Unless you are black in America today, your thoughts on solutions are useless until you first listen. You have 2 ears and one mouth...use them in that proportion. You will hear some shi?, but sorting through to clarity takes time. Start today. It has been too long.
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They are still relevant, who do you think pays some of the posters on this page
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From a socialism standpoint a fee would be inequitable. Only the rich could join.
From a communist agitator standpoint people like Agent Rhino would have their handler/ pay for it
From capitalist standpoint Reality could have advertising on his byline or the Trump banner could be on the heading.
So confusing.
ACTUALLY
When reading some of the position on this site we all pay the price.
PS when SDS started some folks did chip in as friends...seems like a nice approach that has been lost...
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I find these threads incredible. Everyone fighting over 1921, Civil War, WHarding, etc.
Just a thought for clarity. If a family has members who are expressing pain, do you tell them they have no pain or the reason for the pain is invalid.
Seems to me the only decision is do you want to stop the pain and if you do, then discuss that.
The cops in Atlanta the other day must have an IQ of 13 if they could not understand that sleeping in a car, drunk or not is hardly worth death of him or themselves.
I use to tell my employees who had alcohol issues, the reason why you drink too much is not important until later. Just stop drinking, concentrate on changing from this point on. Once you have a state of mind you can think rationally, then revisit the past when there is perspective.
The black community needs to be understood by the family.
The cops which represent the rest of the family have lost perspective.
It is a complicated relationship but stopping the pain is step one.
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Ok, so Greg is actually Clarabell the Clown. He needed a new gig.
How does that explain allowing Agent Rhino to spew his drivel.
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Les Paul
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40 minutes ago, JohnC said:
You are way off the mark. Fannie Mae was founded in 1938 and Freddy Mac was established in 1970 by congress. They predated Clinton's administration. In addition, both fall in the unique category of having a public/private structure to both entities. So to call them the biggest socialist programs is grossly inaccurate
The biggest socialist-like programs this country has is medicare and social security. And it should be noted that an overwhelming number of Americans favor these programs.
I never suggested Clinton created Fred and Fanny, but he did recreate their targets. Medicare is socialistic if you believe your citizens are not equal in their need for medical assistance, regardless of income.
Fred and Fanny makes the US government the largest land holder or guarantor of land in the country, perhaps the world. US mortgage documents make the holder of the mortgage the land holder until it is paid. In most countries the mortgage holder does not control the property unless default then they must apply to gain control.
Thus in the U S people can walk away from the property, in most countries if you walk away you still owe the loan repayment.
Social security is less socialist since people actually contribute through a tax.
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1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:
The buildup of the housing bubble spanned 2 administrations. While Clinton played his role in loosening lending standards to build a new homeowner society the bad behavior continued under GWB and by the later stages of the game private institutions were beating the GSEs and government regulated lenders at their own game. Enter Bear Sterns and Lehman. There's enough blame to go around. I don't think laying it all on Clinton is fair.
Fair, you likely know more than I do...use to stay in hotel across from Lehman in NYC Times Square
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1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:
I really don't see the similarities. The housing market crash was a perfect storm of bad incentives, loose lending, and the revival of arcane derivatives known as credit default swaps.
There was rampant fraud in the mortgage industry on top of no standards for sub prime lending. Mortgage originators didn't care about the quality of the paper they wrote as they had larger regional banks ready to buy anything they had to offer who similarly didn't care because Fannie and Freddie accepted everything without question. Fannie and Freddie didn't care because they were doing their American duty in growing the American economy (more houses means more consumption of other goods) and they were just going to slice and dice the mortgages up into CMOs and sell them all to some moron in Germany. Making matters worse, AIG guaranteed all of these dog**** CMOs 10x, 100x, and 1,000x over since they were so confident none would fail. Easy money to collect your monthly fees. AIG was guaranteeing something like $440 billion in CMOS.
Distressed business loans seemingly have some actual lending practices adhered to. I am not an expert on distressed debt but I don't think lenders have a CLO end-buyer who is as gullible and inept as our favorite GSEs Fannie and Freddie. Again not an expert, but I from what I understand no one in their right mind is writing Credit Default Swaps after 2008.
K-9 is right. Michael Burry among others was highlighted in The Big Short after convincing AIG and banks to offer him CDSs (these products were not available at the time) and made a killing. The bad news is that unless you're an institutional investor with certain licenses these securities are not available to you. You can short the banks I guess.
Do not forget the role Bill Clinton's administration played and Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.
The US us the single biggest socialist programs in the world with those two government organizations.
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So in an effort to help me ( and maybe others), understand the criteria and sensitivity, what is the difference between the movement to ban Gone with the Wind, and period movie, in which the actress playing the maid won the Oscar (first for an African American woman) and the exaltation of Roots?
I know Roots showed the struggle from a different perspective, but both showed slavery, and in the case of Roots showed black vs black fighting over the issue.
We watch the Ten Commandments and the Egyptians depicts slaves building pyramids.
This is a genuine question. Just trying to gain knowledge.
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There are advantages to athletes speaking out.
1. You at least know that what they are saying (in general) could potentially ruin their celebrity cache so they must feel strongly about their convictions.
2. You generally have known of them for a lengthy period of time so you do know they are not a paid agent of Putin and this is not fake news....I hope.
3. If they signed with the Dolphins as a free agent you know the athlete is nuts and just discount everything they say ?
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So if Gone with the Wind is racist, is Roots?
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23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
The truth needs no defender. It just needs to be unleashed, like a lion.
(cue meltdown)
You are not a lion, you are a controlled Rhino with a long nose from lieing so much. Your little play buddies come to defend little Rhino. You may have them duped, but not me. You are so stupid you cannot even have an open debate. All you do is quote your handlers talking points.
If you think the volume of cr8p you spew will over come reality again, it will not. You should leave the basement and come to the light of day and see what the world is about.
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1 hour ago, westside2 said:
Are you threatening DR? You've crossed the line.
I said his handlers would deal with him. It is obvious Agent Rhino is a protected species. When he is attacked he needs to be defended.
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59 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:
Horseshit. DR happens to be one of the more accommodating members of this board. On numerous occasions I have given him crap about being too patient with idiots, morons and Canadians.
You my friend have been duped by Agent Rhino.
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6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:
I tried a civil debate with you. You proved to be incapable of it and instead were eager to throw CCP quotes out as if they were your own original thoughts.
Because you're a deeply stupid person, Bill. Seriously. I worry you'll drown when you look up during a rainstorm.
You have never had a civil debate with anyone.
Hope you are saving your money because by Nov you will be unemployed,
You my little basement dweller are as simple minded as I have seen. You are single minded, unable or unwilling or dedicated to your trade to even consider options. You defend the indefensible and one day you will die doing it. It may not be raining but...
Soon [yeah, let's not do threats or things that appear to be threats - mod]
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3 hours ago, Foxx said:
1959 is not so bad, be just gets pissed sometimes, but you are right on Rhino, he is a paid Agent and his answer to any open discussion is you a so stoopid, or intently stoopid because all he can do is quote the notes he is paid to use, he can not have a civil debate.
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16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I'm pulling out this little point. I don't think law enforcement can stop the drug problem. I think the only way to reduce the drug problem is to reduce demand. To do that, focus on treatment and opportunity.
I agree with you but I said police need to stop the problem but I also said it was a societal issue causing untold problems. Treatment is an issue but the growing numbers is like the covid19, we must stop the growth as well have treatment. 13 year old making money selling dope...ouch...how to stop, I have no idea...but it must. I have been taught this, society has taught me.It is one of the big roots of racism and stereotyping.
In the parking lot in Paris Tenn. sits a Prius, Camry, Honda Accord, Ford Escape, and 2010 Ford pickup. Walk into the bar and a guy with t-shirt, dusty ball cap, jeans, and a long neck Bud is leaning against the bar,.
Stereotypically which vehicle is his.
I don t want to be prejudice but I have been taught..TV, music, movies, etc.
The good guy wears a white cowboy hat,
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18 minutes ago, JohnC said:
A positive story of a good young man having his good deeds acknowledged in the midst of an environment of conflict. This link was taken from cnn.com.
Feel compelled say that his love and respect is incredible. For those who returned it, superb.
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19 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:
I think education is key...If you got to school
If you try hard
If you are smart enough
If you get good grades
If you can somehow go to college
If you can find a job in your field
If you can avoid layoffs
... you can get a mortgage!
... or you can hangout with your buddies, have fun right now, and not plan or worry about the future
Education need not be a PHD.
Smart is not the question, smart in what area is the key, engineer, plumber,
Store mgr. Trucker, teacher, printer, programmer, farmer,
Drugs and gangs are easy money and recognition for all youth.
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I do not have the opinion that this should be anti police. Frankly it may mean a refocus.
1. Police need to be close to the community. All citizens need not fear the police. I am not smart enough to know how, but I do know the criminal element will replace the police if they do not fix the relationships. Example, the mafia developed in Sicily because the government was so untrustworthy the mafia created a protection and aid for those in need. Today the drug gangs are doing similar activities but with more intimidation. There was a time when cops did not carry guns...now today that is impossible but weapons create opportunities for violence, but cops should be problem solvers first, not force first, not tickets and not arrests first...
2. Law enforcement must stop the drug problem. Now I know it is not just the police, but society has a huge unspoken plague that is a root evil creating conflict and stereo types. The underprivileged see that business as a way out of their situation when racism is holding them down. This circumstance now creates systemic stereotypes...it has got to be fixed.
3. Education...good education, equal education, more education, a reason for education, new methods of education, with opportunity not handouts.
4. Mandatory anti racism training for every employed person...there is a difference between overt racism and systemic...People must understand it.
I have been involved in helping develop and implement this type of initiative and helps people see how they contribute to the ongoing systemic problems. People do not need to be chastised, just educated. 200 years of racism is not my fault, the future is our responsibility.
5.There is nothing wrong with a global anti racism symbol, and kneeling seems to be catching on..why not.
6. Any public employee who demonstrates racism....termination, period.
Without a doubt I am part of the historic problem, I am listening and trying.
This list likely shows my built in prejudices, sorry for that, sincerely!
And many more initiatives...
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23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
I can start today as a store clerk.
I need to go to 6+ months of training to become a cop in my city.
So... I will laugh at something that's demonstrably false
True statement Rhino, but then again clerks do not need to be trained to be aggressive and the proper use of a choke hold.
Massacre in Tulsa, OK
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Yes in the world today listening is important. To help resolving you must learn the real problem...it may not be violence, or only violence... anti poverty, education, etc maybe solutions but not the real problem.
I do not understand enough personally. If we did understand why for all these years have we not been able to unite our family.
Maybe we do not want to? That is another line of discussion. Like I said, first decision, do you want the relationship.
It took Goodell a long thoughtful time to open his mind. He saw problem, control, solution. Now he sees he may not have control, so he has learned.
Thank goodness. Before anyone says anything I support the respectful for flags and anthems as well, BUT, we are approaching a key time in our lives, let us take the opportunity to really make a difference.