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He hasn't been healthy...

What he said. King has a great, conversational writing style. But he can't read tea leaves to save his life. Mike Mayock is the man in that dept, C

I'm with you. There are enough TEs to wait for. Pettigrew is good but our O as much WCO as there is in it, we don't prioritize TE catching passes. Now we have Evans and piTO. So to expand a pick for TE that early, would just drive me nuts. We need a pass rusher who can get to the QB or make the opp. offense one dimensional. I think we have a chance to get somebody really, really good on the line with the #11 pick. I'm not even convinced we need a OL pick in the 1st round, but won't be upset if they did pick an OL player. But with some of the others here, I prepared for this brain trust to overreach for a cruddy player with the 11 and/or 28th pick or worse trade down when a game changer is there for the taking due to "economics of a small market team." C

I don't think ATL overpaid. I think if we had given them a 2nd we would have then overpaid. We still have too many pieces missing to make a run at the playoffs. Especially in the coaching dept. So I'd rather we built a team that can grow together. But having said that, our 3rd would have been a fair trade.

Yeah, in fantasy land. I'd take Hines Ward, Larry Fitzgerald, possibly Wes Welker and maybe even Randy Moss over him. Thank you very much.

I don't know - those who don't understand history are condemned to repeat it. Look, I know that Peters wasn't the brightest bulb. In fact I'm shocked at how well of an OL player he has become given his purported intelligence. But he was a model player (did what he was asked by the team without complaint) until we overpayed for two middlin' OL players. Well hell, I would have been mad too. Contract or no contract. He deserved a "market adjustment" given the context. Now, what do you do if you are the Bills? You find a way to make the situation work. True the guy behaved like a spoiled pre-schooler who took his ball and went home. But players like that don't grow on trees. Let's face it, we lucked out to find him in FA post draft. As Parcells used to say, "I'm not interested in being fair. I'm interested in being right" IF and that's a big IF - they didn't think they could make the situation work financially, we should have gotten fair market value or better in the trade. The whole headache/drama argument just doesn't hold water. We just signed the biggest headache/drama nut case because we wanted to win. Or so we are led to believe. You telling me they couldn't put up with Peters for the same reason? Either way the FO screwed up. We can all "move on" when we know or trust that management will do better. Until then it's a debate/discussion/dialogue worth having. Our loyalty to this pathetic team has at least earned us *that* right. C

To the contrary, we know that Detroit and the Giants were interested. We also know that a 1st and 3rd were in play. We just don't know why our FO chose to have 1,4 and a conditional in 2010. That conditional had better be a 4/5 or better for what we gave up. I'm way past "trusting" this FO. C

Naw, not him - he only coached Munoz and turned an athletic TE in FA into a good to excellent LT. That and except for that loser Williams we didn't draft one OL in the first three rounds of the draft while he was here. So he hasn't exactly had the best talent to work with. He also coached a well heeled Giants OL before he left NY. Naw, not him. He's a total bum. He doesn't know anything about OL play at all. (Sarcasm button off) Be it known here, that no matter how irrational or illogical it seems the moves of our FO are, if you disagree you are a total bum...

I think this was economics. The FO presupposed, incorrectly IMHO, the discrepancy for value in 21 and the value in 28 was minimal. So why pay more? Same with 3rd and 4th round pics.

I think Peters actually has more guaranteed money.

Yeah, I'm also guessing the "flexibility" in 1(#28),4 and 6(2010) is that they didn't want to pay picks 1(#21),3 this year. Hence the deft dealings of the FO. Good Lord. Can we play in the WAC? C

John I respect your viewpoint. I think we lost out on this deal and we could have had more. That and that franchise LTs don't grow on trees. The truth of the matter is that we lucked out blind when we got him as a FA. I just don't think lightning is gonna strike twice. To compound matters we don't have an especially mobile QB. We should have kept him or paid him - if we were only gonna get this much for him. The option c in the above scenario is that JP becomes a perennial Pro Bowler playing for a better team. That and that our #28 pick sucks rocks. C

All this talk about other franchises and how they've fared in spite of doom & gloom predictions and how they overcame loss of talent and how they replenished with humble picks that over-excelled is heartwarming. But for a minute think about our present talent, our present FO and our present coach. Also think about John Guy picking FAs. Now also taking into account the fact we haven't been in the playoffs in 10 years. C'mon now. Our FO doesn't have anyone close to a Polian. Our coaching doesn't have anyone remotely resembling a Parcells. Or even Sparano or Reid. And our QB is no where near a Peyton or anyone even half that good. I do like the Nix addition. BUt even he can only do so much. I've seen the evidence thus far. I think the odds are better than fifty-fifty that we're on the Jauron death watch and that our QB will be Fitzpatrick around game 7 or 8 if not earlier. Sure, Peters sucked last year. I'm not even sure if I'm upset at him leaving. But we had all the cards. To give him up for an almost 2nd rounder and an almost 5th, is just dumb ass. And to not have someone who can do a better than adequate job is just poor planning. I would have traded him for the 21st and the 3rd pick nothing less. Then if he wanted to sit, let him sit. Then when he comes back, don't play him until he proves himself committed to the program. See how he gets picked for a Pro Bowl with less than 6 games for a season. I think the scout guy is right except for maybe for the part where Edwards doesn't feel the rush. I think he feels the rush alright, he just doesn't know what to do with the ball once he knows when the rush is coming. Except maybe dump it off. Watch this soap opera unfold once Owens figures out he isn't catching anywhere the # of balls coming his way is less than 50% of his previous output. C

Our attitude on the field has now permeated our FO. We now just lay down and rollover for anybody...Where is that K-Y Jelly?

Except in Donte's case, Denver and/or Philadelphia offered us their pick and a *third* to move up to 8. http://buf.scout.com/2/526808.html If by some freak of nature Donte wasn't there at #14 or #15, Ngata would have still been there or there were other possibilities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_Draft It wouldn't have been the end of the world if we didn't get Donte. In fact, we eschewed some Pro Bowlers to get him at 8 when we very likely could have had him later. That my friend, by any objective measure, is a reach... Now some folks were calling the McKelvin pick a reach. But I think that was a great pick. The kid is a game changer. Donte is not or up to this point, has not been a game changer. C

We could do worse. The kid has sound fundamentals and wants to get better. I'm impressed by any player who comes out of the program with his head screwed on straight. The last player I remember from UT as being someone who had it together was Peyton.

I really think Ayers in terms of investment value in the first round for a DL is the safest bet. I don't think he's gonna be a world beater or have a huge upside. But the kid is just solid. Kinda like a Phil Hansen type. But I don't know if you pick him at #11. That should be a game changer. And I just don't see him as that.

I'm not saying Cutler is a douche one way or another. I work at Vanderbilt. The guy showed up here everyday to work. He had an episode of immaturity - but after he was suspended for I don't remember now how many games, he got his act together. He played for a coach who didn't tolerate any bull. And his teammates LOVED him. The community loved him. The kid has a fire in his belly to win. Coming from Vandy that's saying something. ;-) Prior to this episode with McDaniels (whom I believe his making a case for being a douche. Remember him jawing with Belichik at halftime last season?) - I don't recall anything else untoward except the jawing with SD's Rivers and the my arm is better than Elway's comment. That just shows me he has moxie. And to top it all he was voted to the Pro Bowl by his peers. If all of the above makes him a "douche", sign me up. I'd rather win with a douche than lose with a saint. The front office seems to have come around to that way of thinking as well. We just signed the biggest me guy "douche" in the history of the game at WR. I'm sick and tired of losing with "fine young men." Up to this point, I'm optimistic about Edwards potential - but that's all it is potential. He needs to step up this year. Regardless of scheme, coordinators etc. I'd like for him to take a game and the team on his shoulders and show that he refuses to lose. Thus far I haven't seen that "fire" from him. I've seen plenty of that with Cutler. C

Are you serious? Pro Bowler vs Edwards? Really? So using that logic we should throw everything we have in trying to acquire Brady Quinn from the Browns - right? I mean after all he beat Edwards in Buffalo. WTH?

Just prior to draft, some teams practice gamesmanship in trying to "devalue" a player they like in the eyes of other teams. So they can have a shot at drafting him. This sure smells like that. A blunt? Are you kidding me? So what? The kid is a monster player.

I've been on record here as saying that I'd trade for Cutler in a heartbeat to replace Edwards. But I don't get the fascination with wanting to start over with an unproven rookie QB when we have a 3rd year veteran who is adequate and above average to good.

A lot more than Edwards?

I think it's that way in most states. But my intent was to say that if he was drinking why would he submit unless he had nothing to hide? At any rate, we''ll wait for the results. At 7 in the AM, I'm bleary eyed too... C

Just as an aside, if I was his lawyer and he was drinking at 7AM in the morning heading out to the beach, I would have told Stallworth to not submit to the test. This honestly sounds like an unfortunate accident. C