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You made some good points in the post you made prior to the one I'm quoting, but this one is a little less convincing than that other really good one. The problem with your 1st sentence is that it doesn't match what goes on in the real NFL. Players who have started one game or fewer are labled busts & cut all the time. They are judged, cut & many never play another down. When that happens to a high pick and the team is putting him on waivers, that team has labeled him a bust. When nobody claims him, 31 teams are agreeing with them. If you follow the same path as your statement, then Gibran Hamden has a ton of upside, after all he was NFLE's MVP in 2006 & doesn't have enough game experience to be labled a washout. Brady is a bad example of nobody wanting him. I'm not talking draft choices & where they were picked, I'm talking about a waived player. Yes Brady was picked in the 6th, but in the 1st year NE saw enough of him & was too afraid others might claim him so instead of waiving him and trying to put him on a practice squad, they kept him on the 53 man roster. NE, recognizing they had something more than your average 6th round pick, kept 4 QBs on the roster his rookie year. Brady was never waived once NE drafted him-unlike Brohm. At the same point in his career as Brohm is at, Brady led his team to a Super Bowl championship. It's irrelevant what people thought of these players out of college. The bad ones, no matter where drafted get waived. In the modern NFL QBs who get picked in the 1st 3 rounds and are quickly cut are busts. Their getting waived is based on NFL data, not their college career. I can't accept the premise that nobody could make any room for Brohm. 1st off, any team that would be putting a claim in on him would be viewing him as a 3rd stringer, he wouldn't need to be ready for action in 2010 for a long time anyway. Much like the bunch of QB 6th rounders in the 2009 draft that were kept as 3rd stringers on the opening day rosters. A lot of the teams had some really weak guys as their 3rd stringers, yet nobody tried to steal Brohm & end up being a smarter guy than the rest. Clearly the preseason tapes on Brohm, which all 31 other teams had, didn't have GMs jumping up & down. Here are some of the 3rd stringers that teams kept over putting a claim in for Brohm: Atl-Wilson, Cin- J. Palmer, Ariz-St Pierre, Stl-Null, Sea-Teel, SF-Davis, Indy-Painter, Balt-Beck (another 2nd round bust), Den-Brandstater, and the Bills, who kept Trent's buddy Gibran Hamdan until Trent was benched. Surely, if Brohm was viewed in the same light by NFL decision makers as his supporters here, there would have been multiple waiver claims to put Brohm on the roster over at least some of the guys I've mentioned in this paragraph. Most of those guys weren't any more ready to take an NFL snap than Brohm, and considering Brohm had a full season of experience on an NFL team & 2 camps, he was probably a lot more ready than most of the rookies listed. Since I've never worked out Brohm with a juggs gun, I'll pass on debating his arm strength over others. As far as my question posed, you're right why would they-the only reason to keep him would be to groom him & trade him, and the NFL teams had already indicated that they weren't going to give up anything for him, as evidenced by his lack of any waiver claim. Just to put it in perspective, when NE waived 2008 3rd round QB Kevin O'Connell, the 1st team able, Detroit, picked him up on waivers and after he spent a couple of preseason games in Detroit, they shipped him to the Jets for a 7th rounder. The Jets though enough of O'Connell to make the room that you claim teams didn't have and put him on the 53 man roster as a 4th stringer. Clearly if just one team was as high on Brohm as the Jets were on O'Connell, he would have been claimed, or someone would have offered GB at low round pick, which didn't happen like the Lions & Jets did with O'Connell. Now the Jets might have just wanted O'Connell to pick his brain on NE, but if that was the case he wouldn't have lasted the year on the roster like he did.

It was a conditional pick that turned out to be a 3rd. Favre was 5 years older than McNabb is. A second rounder or swap of 1sts & a later round pick is what will be needed to get McNabb. A Bills contract extension will also have to be part of the deal before the trade is finalized.

Her name is Edith Wilson. I first heard of her in a post a couple of months ago & confirmed that she is Ralph's other daughter with an internet search. I didn't think you were badmouthing Ralph, I don't think anyone did. A boy could just as easily grown up with the same interest in football as either Linda or Edith, nobody will ever know.

The guy is a bust because nobody in the league wanted him in September when Green Bay waived him. Sorry, but I have a lot more respect of the opinions of some of the top professional talent evaluators in the business than I do of any amateurs on this board, you and myself included. If he has such a "big arm" why do scouting report after scouting report, including the one that is the basis of this thread downgrade his arm strength? The Green Bay wanted him stuff is getting pretty old-they didn't think enough of him to not offer him for free to anyone who wanted him back in September. Just because they offered to match the Bills 2 year deal as an insurance policy late in the season doesn't indicate any real interest in keeping him as anything but a guy who knew their offense. They always had 3 QBs around this year & after the guy who replaced Brohm on the practice squad signed with Stl, they signed another guy to the PS who was later signed to the winter roster. Nobody with your premise has ever been able to answer a question I've posed, please try: If Green Bay was so high on Brohm, why didn't they try & exceed the Bills offer in both years & dollars? The Packers only tried to keep their 2009 insurance policy in place, nothing more as evidenced by their lack of making Brohm an offer that would have kept him away from the Bills. You're right, we have for pennies, but I would hardly call a guy that the finest football minds in the business all passed on putting a waiver claim on as a guy with great upside. The worst thing that the Brohm advocates do is settle for mediocrity. Brohm is ok to keep around as a player who you can pencil in as your #3 QB next year, but if we go to camp with him having any shot at the starting job, then team management has failed us, the fans, and Ralph Wilson the owner, by not acquiring a QB who really has an upside, or is a proven veteran. To go into next August with a camp of Fitzpatrick, Brohm, Edwards or a mid-round pick & possibly Hamdan is too sickening to even realistically think about. I trust that Buddy will not do that & will make a bold move to get a QB that is not just someone else's trash.

Since Seattle is in a similar boat as the Bills with Hasselbeck at or nearing the end, if Wallace is any good the last thing they're going to do is get rid of him. If they don't feel good enough about him & offer him to the Bills, why would we want the guy? Either way, NFW to Wallace being the Bills QB next year.

The Bills desperately need a franchise QB. If they don't trade for McNabb & their scouts & Buddy come to the conclusion that either Bradford or Clausen is the real deal, they should make a bold move & trade up & get their guy. This wait to see who is left at #9 is totally unacceptable if their scouts believe in one of the top guys. All the people fed up that our last QB needed to grow a pair should have the same attitude towards the guys picking our next QB. If we want to suck forever, then we should stay at #9 & be passive, or we can be bold & make a move to get someone good to play the most important position on the field.

He had 3 daughters, not 2. One was big into football but has passed away. One has a moderate interest, is on the team's payroll, but doesn't want to own the team. The third hasn't shown any interest in football and I admit I never heard of her until about 2 months ago.

Tim Couch & Jamarcus Russell not only were once projected to go #1 overall, they did! At least the NFL started seeing some of Brohm's flaws before the draft. Unfortunately for Green Bay, they wasted a #2 on Brohm, when they could have drafted Chad Henne & groomed him to trade for a #1 like Jacksonville did with Rob Johnson.

The guy was right on 1 of the 4 guys he evaluated (Henne), so I'm not sure what credibility I'd give to him. However, he did say one thing that should stop this "Brohm has a rocket arm" nonsense that has been posted around here. Brohm's weaknesses -- arm strength and mobility --

The defining moment for me was when he came in the game when Fewell benched Fitzpatrick, played one series, sprained his ankle & was out the rest of the season. To me, that moment defined him as too injury prone to be counted on.

I don't need the swimsuit issue. I'm single I can go out & buy real porn.

Where have you been? They tried one years ago & lost too much money. 1st they called it the World League of American Football (WLAF) and had teams in the USA, Canada & Europe. Eventually it became NFL Europa (NFLE). It is now dead. It was exactly as you describe & they failed. Each team had to allocate a number of players to European teams. It was a great way to groom QBs, with 2 Super Bowl winning QBs (Kurt Warner & Brad Johnson) among the QBs. A former player was Gibran Hamdan, he was MVP in 2006. The league also produced several successful punters & kickers. The Bills Chris Mohr played for the WLAF's Montreal team before he was with the Bills. Adam Vinatieri played in NFLE before he was with the Patriots. Current Bills RB Fred Jackson played there in 2006. The UFL is on their own with no NFL affiliation, trying to fill the void left by NFLE. They have a sweetheart TV contract that guarantees their existance the 1st 2 seasons. They'll probably fold after the TV deal expires, unless an NFL lockout gives them enough of a market to keep going.

I'd give up a 2nd & conditional 2011 pick for McNabb. The offense would be in pretty good shape with a LT in the 1st & McNabb as our 2nd. It's a lot better than either taking a rookie QB in either spot because 1) If you take the rookie QB at #9, you still need at LT to protect him & you probably can't get an immediate starting LT in the 2nd round & 2) If you take a LT at 9, the odds of our 2nd round QB being any good are pretty slim & they get slimmer round by round. No matter what your opinion is-I think we have 4 bums at QB right now & have to find a starter from outside-you have to believe that Buddy is dead set on getting a new guy in here to start next year. Edwards-too injury prone & erratic, Fitzpatrick-too erratic, Brohm-too raw to possibly be next year's starter, Hamdan-too never should be in the NFL.

After years of Jauron, I was in awe of the brass ones Payton showed in the Super Bowl. I loved the attitude that the bigger the game the bolder you get. The irony is that we had a guy like that in Mularkey, who at least played like that in the small games, but a lot of the boldness was either ill conceived or he didn't have the players to pull it off.

Also spot on, except no matter how much courage Gailry can coach into Edwards, he can't be coached out of being injury prone. In fact, one reason he lost his courage is due to injuries. The more courage he gets & hangs in there the more he'll be exposed to injury. The bottom line is he's too fragile to be relied on long term no matter how he plays in camp. I've thought what Matter posted numerous times throughout the playoffs while watching what good quarterbacking the winning teams get from their starters.

If the ad with Tim Tebow & his mother that they've shown this hour is the same one that has created all the stir, the ones against the ad sure don't have much to complain about. Nothing about abortion is mentioned in the ad. It looks more like an ad for Tim Tebow & his mother loving him than anything else.

Snow, what snow? Upstate NY is looking like the place to be this winter (unless you love skiing or shoveling).

Just like Baltimore, Atlanta & the Jets in the last 2 seasons, right? The right rookie QB can win-even Trent Edwards was above 500 in his rookie starts. The whole key is the right rookie, not just any rookie to satisfy the masses. That's why, if the Bills have a strong belief in either Bradford or Clausen they have to do whatever is necessary to get the guy they want-including trading way up at whatever the cost. They can't just sit back & hope the player falls into their laps. They can't afford to pull something like 2004, lose the one they want & settle for a lesser talent just because they have an agenda to acquire a rookie QB. The best example I can come up with is 1991. The Jets loved Bret Favre but didn't have a 1st round pick. They tried desperately to trade up for Favre. They didn't offer enough & decided to try to sit, wait & hope. One pick before their spot in the 2nd round, Atlanta drafted Favre. The Jets, sticking to their agenda, went with the next QB on their board-Browning Nagle. If the Bills can't get a top rookie QB, they're better off with a stopgap guy-unless McNabb or Kolb is available for less than a 2010 1st. Just drafting a QB this year, because you want to draft any QB this year is ridiculous if the right guy isn't there.

Grimm, LeBeau, Little, R.Jackson, Randle, Rice, E. Smith

That is funny. My typo is another sign of old age.

He was on the active roster as 3rd stringer his rookie year.

My negativity can be described more as skepticism than anything else. My skepticism is caused by the actions of others who have seen and analyzed the guy a lot more than any of us have. 1st off, it's unprecident that a QB, the most important position on the field, taken at overall pick 56 in the 2nd round, after a promising college career, is jettisoned to a practice squad after one season. The closest thing to Brohm I could find is in 1992 Tony Sacca was picked in the 2nd round at #40 & lasted only 2 years, never playing again in the NFL. In order to get to GB's practice squad 31 other teams, all who have scouted the guy with trained professionals, decided 1) Not to put in a waiver claim last September and pick him up for nothing. and 2) After he cleared waivers, not sign him to their 53 man roster, allowing him to rejoin Green Bay's practice squad. My second reason for the skepticism is the decision makers at One Bills Drive who signed Brohm. Their track record, to put it mildly, is abysmal in choosing players to sign off other teams. If you told me Buddy Nix was the guy pushing hard for Brohm, I might be a little more optimistic, but as long as this is a player who came from the John Guy-Russ Brandon tree, I can't have much hope for the guy. If he turns out to be half as good as some of you think, that means that Guy/Brandon outsmarted every team in the entire league. That would be near miraculous. I can't see GB's effort to match the Bills offer as anything more than an attempt to keep their insurance policy in Brohm, a player who knew their sysyem already, since they only had 2 active QBs on the roster. Instead of trying to exceed the Bills offer, GB signed another QB to the practice squad to take his place & then another QB after Brohm's 1st replacement signed with another NFL team. Reason number three. You can try to spin it in a positive way-he looked poised, he was willing to throw downfield, all with little practice time, he had the worst line in NFL history in front of him etc; but the bottom line is in Atlanta, Brohm did not play like a guy I'd want to hand the starting job to. While he was willing to throw it long, he was inaccurate when he did throw it long. Now I know that we are starved for a QB, but put his performance next to Ryan Fitzpatrick's this year with a similar line & he's light years behind Fitzpatrick. Some things were evident from the Atlanta game-once again going back to the professionals. Perry Fewell acted like a kid forced to drink castor oil when he had to start Brohm in Atlanta. He even had hopes for Fitzpatrick starting just hours before the game. After the 3 point performance, which once again has to be spun pretty hard to defend, he didn't try to build on it in the next game, he immediately went back to Fitzpatrick even though the final game was nothing more than a glorified exhibition game. Fourth, when Chan Gailey was named head coach he mentioned only 2 QBs, Edwards & Fitzpatrick. It appears, from his words, that while Brohm has a decent chance to make the roster as a #3 project, Gailey does not want to go into next season with the idea of having Brian Brohm as his starter. Now I know this is my weakest reason-maybe I'm reading too much into what he said, but until Gailey starts talking positively about Brohm I feel he's also skeptcal of the guy's chances to start in the NFL. Finally, we are all starving for quality play from a Bills QB. Unfortunately, just because the guy hasn't flamed out in a Bills uniform, is no reason to feel the guy can be our next starter.

I don't really have an opinion on who should be brought in because as much as I like to play GM, the guys in charge are the professionals. The real problem is that in order to have a definitive answer, I'd have to know what Philadelphia, the one NFL team with too many QBs is thinking. I'd also have to know what the Bills are thinking about Bradford & Clausen. If they're totally sold on either, and they decided to go all out, they'd have to move up in the draft ahead of Washington to insure they get their guy. That means either giving up this year's 2nd or 3rd & a high pick next year as well. If they really like McNabb or Kolb, they could see what Philly is doing. Both, I think, are on the last year of contracts. If Philly decides not to sign McNabb to an extension and gives one to Kolb, McNabb will be on the trading block, no matter what Reid is currently saying. A 1st rounder is out, but a 2nd this year & a conditional pick next year might get the job done. Then McNabb would have to sign a 5 year $50+ million contract. Likewise, if McNabb is re-signed Kolb would be available-but we may have to give up a #1 to get him, with no real guarantees he's not the next Rob Johnson, who ironically was acquired when the Bills had pick #9. So in my unprofessional opinion, if the team loves Clausen or Bradford trade up to #3 (Tampa Bay) & get the guy. If McNabb becomes available and they think he's got enough left-he's the win now option, as long as we keep pick #9 & draft a LT to protect him. Kolb becomes the wild card if Philly commits long term to McNabb. Vick is not an option-a team in a big city can get away with Vick, in Buffalo the backlash against Vick is too dangerous to bring him in-I don't have a problem with him, but some of my friends from the area have vowed to disown the team if Vick comes. They have convinced me Vick is not a viable option in Buffalo.

Some team might give us $20 for Lynch. Seriously, his value is no higher than Travis Henry's was and we got a 3rd rounder in the following year's draft. At this point, it's not worth having him around if someone gives us a 3rd in the 2011 draft. IF the story is correct & he's not well liked in the locker room he shouldn't be kept around. If it's not, then he can return. Either way the team needs to draft a RB in the 5th round area.

That's about right. Players are only eligible for practice squads if they've been waived. Once a player clears waivers he is free to sign with any other team's 53 man roster or all the teams, including his own former team's, practice squad. What can confuse some is that PUP'd players are allowed to practice in the weeks between when they become eligible & the time they have to be either activated or IR'd. Practice squad players aren't claimed, they are just free to walk away & leave at any time-the exception being they can't be signed to a contract by the team's upcoming opponent. It used to be that the team that had the player on the practice squad had a right of 1st refusal and could sign the player to their own 53 man roster if another team wanted him-that is no longer the case. On a side note, Brohm was only waived once, back in September. Being a free agent already, he wasn't waived a 2nd time.