Albany,n.y.

Outside of a 1st round pick to get a LT, what picks do we really need? It's not like rds 2-7 have any guaranteed pro-bowlers. Why not trade for a guy who might have 3-5 years left and give the team a ligit shot at the playoffs, instead of hoarding picks so that we can win 3-4 games next year? PS: Gailey saying he wants the QB settled before the draft indicates he wants someone other than the current 3 & does not want to go to camp with the open QB competition. I don't know if he's thinking McNabb or someone else, but he's not thinking his QB will be named Trent, Ryan or Brian.

I love when people use revisionist history to bash someone & get the wrong guy. It was FLUTIE who threw the pass at the beginning of the game on opening day against Indy on 9/12/99. Johnson didn't play until week 3 of the season in a blowout of the Eagles when he came in to mop up & got injured (big surprise there)

You're right, he can't do any worse than Hamdan, who he replaced at the time we signed him.

You've spun this so many ways, you don't even know what you yourself are talking about. In one post you say that GB matched our offer, to put him on their own 53 man squad, so they could trade him later. I'll trust your statements that you know the difference between being on the active roster & practice squad-a match meant he was going on GB's 53 man roster. If you don't understand the difference, you ought to stop lecturing others on the difference. THEN, you later post that GB was interested in winning games, not concerned about trading him down the line. For the last time, which statement do you believe: A) GB tried to match so they could trade him. or B) Green Bay wasn't concerned about his trade value, they were in win now mode. You can only pick one, which is it. BTW, whichever one you pick will contradict an earlier post YOU made.

I can't believe response #5, because here's what you previously said "So they stashed him on the PS hoping no one would grab him so they could develop him more in hopes of trading him this offseason. That is also why they tried to match the offer, so they could keep him and trade him later...not because they wanted him to beat out Flynn." Now, not only don't you answer me when I ask you to prove that they wanted to match the offer in hopes of trading Brohm, but you now include this "5. GB going into this year felt they were a real contender. They are not going to take up an active roster they need to compete every week to keep a 2nd year QB who is 3rd on the depth chart in hopes of trading him. #1 priority for GB in the 2009 season was not positioning for trade value in 2010, but winning games. With their holes and injuries, that meant carrying only 2 QB's, so they made the tough choice of risking losing Brohm for no compensation on PS in hopes they could match the offer if someone claimed him." Sorry, but you have just contradicted yourself. Do us all a favor, until you get your facts straight in your own mind, refrain from calling anyone else dense. It's tough to follow your thoughts when side by side you make no sense.

What does that have to do with my request to show evidence that GB was trying to match so that they could trade him in the future? I'll repeat-where's the evidence they wanted to match so they could trade a guy who sailed through waivers.

...and how does that change my response that I refuted the statement that he was similar to Fitzpatrick?

Not only did I sit through the entire game, but I had to drive 295 miles home afterwards. I told everyone the next day that I was at the worst game I'd ever seen, and I've been to over 200 games.

Joe D says some pretty outrageous stuff. The craziest was in his HOF speech where he lauded one of his former coaches, pointed him out in the crowd & said he was a good coach but... That coach who he loved so much & invited to his HOF day- Hank Bullough. Mr. Modell, Mr. Wilson were kind enough to trade me back to where I came from – Buffalo – for one year. Hank Bullough coached me. I always said that if Hank got Jim Kelly as a quarterback, he would still be coaching maybe. He was a good coach, just had some trouble at quarterback. Well Hank did have Kelly, but didn't know how to use him & got fired. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release....?release_id=991

That's simply not true from most ways to measure QB production. In the 9 games Fitzpatrick played the majority of, the Bills scored (from all sources, O, D, ST) 161 points, an average of almost 18 points a game. High 31, low 10. In the 1 Brohm game, the Bills scored 3 points. The remainder of stats include all of Fitzpatrick's games: Fitzpatrick ave yds per pass attempt 6.3; Brohm 5.0 TD/INT Fitzpatrick 9/10; Brohm 0/2 The stat I hate but a lot of you love: QB Rating Fitzpatrick 69.7; Brohm 43.2 The only measurable Brohm was close with Fitzpatrick (and exceeded him by 2.67%) was completion % Brohm 58.62%; Fitzpatrick 55.95% Of all the measurables, the most important one is how many points the team scores. Fitzpatrick's Bills averaged nearly 6 times the points scored in Brohm's game. Until Brohm can prove he can get his team in the endzone at least once, I'll remain skeptical of his chances.

The real situation is GB waived a former 2nd round pick, and not one other team claimed him. If they cared about losing him, they wouldn't have waived him. You can spin it any way you like, but the bottom line is last September GB could have cared less if they lost Brohm. Any team that waives a guy one year removed from the 2nd round expects him to be claimed & doesn't care. You have NO evidence that GB tried to match the Bills offer hoping to trade Brohm (a guy nobody in September wanted for free) in the offseason. It's much more logical to think they wanted their 3rd string insurance to know their system than it is to dream up some trade scenario about a player nobody else wanted off of waivers.

One of them was Brooks Bollinger-the guy had an MVP season! There's hope for Brohm*** ***- in the UFL

You act like nobody had a file on the guy from his college days. Year after year, when the Bills have picked up players cut by other teams they have said things like "We liked him coming out of college." Pro Personnel depts just don't rely on the film from pre-season, they also look at what their scouts said of guys coming out of college. They combine that with current film, scouting reports etc. When all they see is a compounding of their "weakness" category on the pro film, they pass. If they see some of the strengths, they bite & sign the guy. Rosters are not set at the QB position. Years ago we added Travis Brown right before the season because we thought he had more potential than what we had. Teams do it all the time. You want Brohm & you'll make any excuse to justify your desire. The real reason is because all our QBs suck & the only one who has not been a total disappointment is Brohm. The reason for that is he hasn't played enough YET, to disappoint you. When he does, you'll realize why GB & the rest of the league let the Bills have him. By the way, Brady was drafted in the 6th, but NE never put him on waivers, they kept 4 QBs his rookie year because they refused to gamble by waiving him to stash on their practice squad. If they were sure every team wouldn't have claimed him, I'm sure they would have freed up that roster spot instead of doing the unconventional & carrying 4 QBs. GB didn't care if they lost Brohm-they waived him rather than keep a spot for him on the 53 man roster.

Did I renew too soon? I haven't received one.

While it's remote, it does happen. However, when it has happened in the past, it's been a late round or undrafted guy, not a player who had a college career like Brohm or was drafted in the 2nd round only 1 year before. When you cut a player drafted as high as the 2nd round teams usually put in claims for the guy, unless they view him as beyond redemption. Lower profile players fall through the cracks, not ones with as high a profile as Brohm had. The worst argument that the Brohm supporters use appeared in this thread: The one that claims that rosters are set in September & teams don't want to bring in a new guy who doesn't know their system-absolute rubbish! If a team sees a guy on waivers who they think has starting potential, they snap him up ASAP. It's even more true in September when more of those types are cut than any other time of the year. Just look at all the waiver claims that happen the week between cutdown & opening day. The Jets traded a 7th for Kevin O'Connell & kept him as their 3rd/4th stringer all season. They did it right before opening day. Now the most die hard Brohm appologists will tell you that they just did it to use against NE. If that was true, he would have been waived right after the Jets played NE the 2nd time. Kevin O'Connell is viewed in higher regard than Brian Brohm, having been claimed once off waivers & then traded right before the season started. But the only people in Buffalo who would want Kevin O'Connell starting are fans of the weatherman with the same name.

The only way Trent Edwards or Ryan Fitzpatrick could win a Super Bowl would be the same way Rob Johnson won a Super Bowl-watching it from the bench.

Why settle for Akili Smith? Tim Couch was drafted #1 the same year Smith was picked, so he has more upside.

The Jets did everything possible to get themselves the guy they believed was the franchise QB. 1st in 2008 with the Favre trade, then in 2009 with the trade up for Sanchez. They had a veteran QB (who was a former 1st round pick), reached in the 2nd round & failed with their 2nd round "QB of the future" in 2006, traded for a 38-9 year old QB who lasted 1 season in 2008, then 3 years after reaching for the 2nd round QB, traded pick #17, a 2nd round pick & 3 players to move up 12 spots to pick 5. It is virtually impossible for the Bills to follow the Jets philosophy. The Bills would need an established veteran, fail on a 2nd round QB of the future, trade for a one year fix at QB, spend years acquiring O & D line guys then make a blockbuster trade to draft a guy they feel will be a franchise QB in 2013.

Cocaine can cause heart failure. It's like playing Russian Roulette when you snort it. It killed Len Bias.

So washed up he never has to bathe again.

Tom Brady-2nd year in league, 1st year playing-Super Bowl Champion When did Brady = NOBODY?

and none of them were drafted by the Buffalo Bills. You can site all the success stories like Rodgers-later part of the 1st round, Brees-1st pick of the 2nd round, Favre-early 2nd round or Brady-6th round, but unless your team beats the odds & gets a franchise QB with those picks, it's pretty meaningless. Our last comparable pick to Rodgers was JP Losman, Brees & Favre -Todd Collins, Brady-Luc Tousignant.

Here's the thing with players, it's not all about the money. It really depends on their talent level & expectations when they hit free agency: The lowest talent level free agents try to pick a team whose 53 man roster they can make. The next level looks for a team they can get more playing time with. The next level looks for a team they can start for. Now once their at the level where they can start for anybody, it becomes a combination of location,money and winning. For the absolute elite, they'll get their money-it's about lifestyle & winning. When it comes to lifestyle, there are plenty of players who don't want or need the big city atmosphere or a warm climate. For a small town kid, the last thing he might want is to play in NY. Likewise, some players might not want to play in warm southern cities like Miami, where their homes could get destroyed by a hurricane. Everybody is different. Right now, the Bills cannot compete for most elite players because they haven't won in so long, the player doesn't think he can turn it around by himself. If you build a winner, they will come.

In the 7th round. Yeah I know he's going in the 1st 3 rounds, but he doesn't belong there unless you're confident he can play tight end or fullback in the NFL.